Is Saturn a star? Was Saturn a star? The same for Jupiter?
Was it previously a brown dwarf star? Could it be a variation of a sub brown dwarf?
Ultra cool brown dwarf stars have a temperature of between 300-500 Kelvin. That is between 30 centigrade (30 degrees above freezing water, a lovely summers day) and only up to 230C! A star.
It’s a complicated calculus, but Fuller’s results suggest the presence of a calm, stable layer of gas near Saturn’s rocky core – an arrangement that doesn’t fit with classical theories describing planet innards and instead aligns more closely with what’s going on inside stars like the sun.
“The fluid is basically not moving at all,” Fuller says. “It’s a very non-turbulent region.”
In Saturn’s Rings, a Portal to the Planet’s Interior | National Geographic
It seems that the only difference between our solar system gas giants Saturn and Jupiter and some brown dwarf stars is the theory of how they were formed.
Are all gas giant ‘planets’ potential stars in an Electric Universe?
A sub-brown dwarf or planetary-mass brown dwarf is an astronomical object formed in the same manner as stars and brown dwarfs (i.e. through the collapse of a gas cloud) but that has a mass below the limiting mass for thermonuclear fusion of deuterium (about 13 MJ). Some researchers call them free-floating planets whereas others call them planetary-mass brown dwarfs.
Sub-brown dwarf | Wikipedia
It seems that some brown dwarf stars may not have thermonuclear fusion happening. If they do not have it now ,then how do we know, apart from theory, that they have ever had it in the past?
Are brown dwarf stars just called stars due to theory? Are they all or are some of them just a gas giant planet by another name, size and mass calculations when gravity may be an electromagnetic force?
If you did not know or ignored the nebular hypothesis (solar nebular model) would the observations of Saturn and Jupiter compared to the actual observations of stars mean these gas giant planets are types of stars?
Planet or star Saturn?
Most scientists’ models of Saturn and other gas giants assume the planet is pretty uniform — just a large gas envelope surrounding a small, dense core that’s perhaps the size of Earth. But by studying the rings’ waves, researchers are finding the picture much more complicated.
… “There’s a paradigm of giant planets being pretty simple objects, where they have a core of ice and rock, and this tremendous envelope of hydrogen/helium on top of that,” Fortney told Space.com. “That’s how people have mostly modeled giant planets for 50 years. But what the kronoseismology tells us is, there’s some region that is strange, there’s some part of the bottom of the envelope that’s not simple, that’s not convective. It tells us that Saturn is not a simple object; there’s something more going on there.”
Something Strange Is Happening Inside Saturn | Space
The solar system nebular model suggests that Saturn and the other gas giants are planets with a very large atmosphere around them, they have a rocky/ice core. At the moment we can not examine or observe what gas giants, the sun or stars actually have at their core. This means that the models and theories about the deep interiors and cores of all types of main sequence stars and gas giants is a theory.
Saturn’s interior is probably composed of a core of iron–nickel and rock (silicon and oxygen compounds). This core is surrounded by a deep layer of metallic hydrogen, an intermediate layer of liquid hydrogen and liquid helium, and finally outside the Frenkel line a gaseous outer layer. Saturn has a pale yellow hue due to ammonia crystals in its upper atmosphere. Electrical current within the metallic hydrogen layer is thought to give rise to Saturn’s planetary magnetic field, which is weaker than Earth’s, but has a magnetic moment 580 times that of Earth due to Saturn’s larger size. Saturn’s magnetic field strength is around one-twentieth of Jupiter’s.
Saturn | Wikipedia
Saturn is one of our solar systems planets that gives off more heat energy than it receives from the Sun.
As a giant gas planet, Saturn doesn’t have solid ground … Saturn contains a rocky core, 10 to 20 times the mass of Earth, which is surrounded by liquid metallic hydrogen. This massive core was likely the first part of the planet created, and it trapped gas as the planet formed. Moving out from the core, the liquid hydrogen becomes less metallic, gradually shifting into a gas the further one travels from the center of the planet.
The interior may reach temperatures of up to 21,000 F (11,700 C). Because the distance to Saturn from the sun averages 886 million miles (1.4 billion kilometers), most of the planet’s heat comes from its core. Saturn radiates more than twice as much heat into space as it receives from the sun.Saturn’s Temperature: One Cool Planet | Space
The Electric Universe theory suggest a very different birthing process for planets and perhaps binary stars.
When Nicholson put together the series of waves caused by Saturn’s movement for a 2013 paper, they didn’t quite add up. Instead of a regular pattern of vibrations all building on one another, he was seeing multiples of some waves and missing others.
“If Saturn were a nice big ball of liquid hydrogen and helium, liquid and gas, it really should only have one frequency associated with each of these overtones,” he said. Instead, the measurements were like a violin that plays multiple discordant tones when one string is strummed. There’s “something a bit wrong with your violin, if that’s the case,” he said.
Something Strange Is Happening Inside Saturn | Space
The defining differences between a very-low-mass brown dwarf and a gas giant (~13 MJ) are debated. One school of thought is based on formation; the other, on the physics of the interior. Part of the debate concerns whether “brown dwarfs” must, by definition, have experienced fusion at some point in their history.
Stars are categorized by spectral class, with brown dwarfs being designated as types M, L, T, and Y. Despite their name, brown dwarfs are of different colors. Many brown dwarfs would likely appear magenta to the human eye, or possibly orange/red. Brown dwarfs are not very luminous at visible wavelengths.
Brown dwarf | Wikipedia
Electric Star Saturn
Is Saturn an electric star? Was Saturn in ancient times a ‘proper’ star like a brown dwarf? Especially if stars are powered by natural electric plasma processes – electric stars.
Was Saturn previously Earth’s original Sun, our first Sun?
In the ES [Electric Star] model, perhaps the most important factor in determining any given star’s characteristics is the strength of the current density in Amperes per square meter (A/m2) measured at that star’s surface. If a star’s incoming current density increases, the arc discharges on its surface (photospheric tufts) will get hotter, change color (away from red, toward blue), and get brighter. The absolute brightness of a star, therefore, depends on two things: the strength of the current density impinging into its surface, and the star’s size (the star’s diameter). Therefore, we add another scale to the horizontal axis of the HR diagram: Current Density at the Star’s Surface.
… In the ES [Electric Star] model, there is no minimum temperature or mass requirement. If a brown/red dwarf is operating near the upper boundary of the dark current mode, any slight increase in the level of current density impinging on any portion of the surface of that star will shift this plasma into the normal glow mode.”
The first region on the lower right of the diagram is where the current density has such a low value that double layers (DLs) (photospheric granules) are not needed by the plasma surrounding the (anode) star. This is the region of the brown and red “dwarfs” and giant gas planets. Recent discoveries of extremely cool L – Type and T – Type dwarfs has required the original diagram to be extended to the lower right (See below). These ‘stars’ have extremely low absolute luminosity and temperature.
Notice that the surface temperature of the T – Type dwarfs is in the range of 1000 K or less!
Stellar Evolution – Electric Cosmology | Electric Cosmos
Saturn lost its brown dwarf environment during the break up of the previous Saturnian system and the formation of what is now our solar system?
But Venus was also identified as a spectacular discharging comet in the ancient congregation of planets. What can be made of that? It can be explained if Venus was the latest child of Saturn. As explained earlier, Saturn shows the symptoms of having given birth recently. The birth would be triggered by a sudden change in Saturn’s electrical environment when it crossed from interstellar space into the Sun’s plasma envelope, or heliosphere. The voltage drop across the Sun’s plasma sheath would almost equal the full driving potential of the Sun, measured in tens of billions of volts. Rather than being an anode in the galactic discharge, Saturn would become a cathode in the Sun’s environment and subject to forming cathode jets. Saturn could be expected to ‘spit the dummy’ in such a circumstance! Venus was one such ‘dummy,’ ejected from the equator of Saturn.
Cassini’s Homecoming | holoscience
Thanks to Freemarketanarchist in the chatbox for giving the link to the article about Saturn being star like.
Latest cold star links
Scientists have identified what is possibly the coldest white dwarf ever detected. In fact, this dim stellar corpse is so cold that its carbon has crystallized, effectively forming a diamond the size of Earth, astronomers said.
When talking about stellar objects, “cold” is a relative term; this white dwarf is still burning at 4,892 degrees Fahrenheit (2,700 degrees Celsius), but that’s 5,000 times cooler than the center of Earth’s sun.
Cold Dead Star May Be a Giant Diamond | Space.com
Everything Is Electric?
The modern version of the Nebular theory, how dusty plasma material forms planets and stars in the solar nebular disk model, has failed to predict and explain the solar system of s...
Peer review ball lightning experiments investigating the very puzzling and mysterious plasma balls (plasmoids?) or just balls of lightning. It is remarkable that we could create t...
Water in various forms is surprisingly found nearly everywhere, apart from where scientists really want it to be found (in large concentrations as comets etc). The water vapour ...