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red shift rag to the mainstream bull?
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2010, 15:12:58 »
Am I right in saying that the red shift data is key to make or break the big bang
theory and that data is very problematical. Once the concept of an
'expanding' universe from a central point is jettisoned, then you begin
to see the other, more sensible possibilities ... new, more reasonable,
more common sense, user friendly explanations present themselves.



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Explanation: Five closely grouped galaxies are visible in this image made using the Kitt Peak National Observatory 2.1 meter telescope. The grouping is commonly known as Stephan's Quintet. Four of the galaxies show essentially the same redshift suggesting that they are at the same distance from us. The large bluish spiral below and left of center actually has a smaller redshift than the others, indicating it is much closer. It is probably a foreground object which happens to lie along the line of sight to the more distant galaxies. Of the four distant galaxies, three seem to be colliding, showing serious distortions due to gravitational tidal forces. The fourth is a normal appearing elliptical galaxy (at the lower right edge of the field). Recent results suggest that collisions play an important role in the life cycles of galaxies.
A Quintet of Galaxies | apod.nasa.gov


red shift is indeed a foundation stone of the proof of the big bang but he who lives by the big bang shall die by the big bang. halton arp is your man for questioning the red shift, the link is to his website with pdf papers for you to read and you can buy his book seeing red. there is enough stuff online though to not need the book unless its something you really want to study. its an amazing book.

thunderbolts TPODs cover the red shift problem in some detail.

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Arp found that the intrinsic redshift of a quasar or galaxy took discrete values, which decreased with distance from a central active galaxy. In Arp's new view of the cosmos, active galaxies "give birth" to high redshift quasars and companion galaxies. Redshift becomes a measure of the relative ages of nearby quasars and galaxies, not their distance. As a quasar or galaxy ages, the redshift decreases in discrete steps, or quanta.
What Big Bang? | holoscience.com



galaxy NGC 7319 and the "misplaced" quasar - death to red shift and the big bang?


you will find in a lot of images of galaxies and quasars what arp suggests about the pairings/relationships seems to be true. perhaps his most famous work is the Arp's Catalog or Atlas Of Peculiar Galaxies.


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As can be seen in the Hubble image (top of this post), the 'close' galaxy does indeed show more details than the cores of the other members of the group. But it is also apparent that the resolution of NGC 7320 and the interaction debris encircling the 'background galaxies' NGC 7318A and B reveal comparable levels of detail and 'clumpiness'. This would argue strongly in favor of the galaxies being sufficiently close to interact.

One of the most remarkable aspects of Stephan’s Quintet is the long non-thermal radio-continuum structure lying in intergalactic space between the galaxies. It is also visible in X-rays and UV, and recently it was imaged in infrared by the Spitzer telescope and H-alpha emission. The picture above is a composite. It clearly shows the giant arc-like 'shock wave' (in green from H-alpha emission) that astronomers interpret as the effect of a collision between NGC 7318B and the rest of the group. Of course, 'shock wave' is not the language that would be used by plasma cosmologists or proponents of the Electric Universe.
Stephan’s Quintet Rekindles Controversy | thunderbolts.info/tpod





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Einsteins Cross and so he should be
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 16:30:42 »

Einsteins Cross and so he should be



Einstein Cross (G2237+030) and gravitional lensing

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Einstein Cross (G2237+030)

The most spectacular of the 20 or so well-attested instances of gravitational lenses that involve a quasar  and foreground galaxy. The Einstein Cross consists of four symmetrically placed images of the same quasar, which lies 8 billion light-years away and almost directly behind the nucleus of a galaxy that is only 500 million light-years away. The alignment is so close that if the lens effect could be removed, the quasar would appear within 0.05" of the galaxy's nucleus. The system was discovered in the course of a redshift survey by the Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics by John Huchra (1948-), and is sometimes referred as the Huchra Lens. Einstein crosses form when source and lens are in alignment with the observer but the lensing mass is unevenly distributed. When there is alignment plus even distribution of the lensing mass the result is an Einstein ring.
]Einstein Cross (G2237+030) | daviddarling.info


above is the mainstream explanation for the one of the most amazing "Einstein Crosses" that we will ever find. but is it due to gravitional lensing?

the quote below is from an absolute stunner of an article from Wal Thornhill about the Einstein Cross, Halton Arp, red shift, quasars and much more

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"gravitational lensing", quasars and the Einstein Cross

What about Gravitational Lensing?

Gravitational lensing became fashionable when astronomers discovered an excess number of quasars around bright galaxies. They argued that the quasars, which were assumed to appear faint because they were distant, became visible due to the bending of light by the gravity of the nearby bright galaxy. Every quasar in the vicinity of a galaxy could then be attributed to multiple lensed images of only one distant quasar, reducing the excess of quasars to an acceptable number. (Of course, this subterfuge was never tested.)

Arp wrote, "When I heard that the gravitational microlensing calculations required a steep increase of quasar numbers with fainter apparent magnitudes, …I protested that the observed numbers flattened off as they became fainter." Arp's schema predicts that quasars will be distributed in the same way as bright nearby galaxies. He found that the match was "extraordinarily good" and "even the details fit well." His paper ( Astronomy and Astrophysics, 229, 93, 1990) detailing his analysis "lists five independent reasons why gravitational lensing cannot account for the excess number of quasars around bright galaxies. But most decisively, it demonstrates that the observed number counts for quasars can only be accounted for by their physical association with bright nearby galaxies."

The most celebrated case of "gravitational lensing" is that known (for obvious reasons) as the Einstein Cross.

In the mid-1980's, astronomers discovered these four quasars, with redshifts about z = 1.7, buried deep in the heart of a galaxy with a low redshift of z = .04. (The central spot in this image is not the whole galaxy but only the brightest part of the galaxy's nucleus.) When first discovered, the high redshift quasar in the nucleus of a low redshift galaxy caused a panic. To save the redshift/distance conviction, gravitational lensing had to be invoked despite Fred Hoyle's calculation that the probability of such a lensing event was less than two chances in a million!

A change in brightness of the quasars was observed over a period of three years. Arp's explanation is that the galaxy has ejected four quasars, which are growing brighter with age as they move farther from the nucleus. The lensing explanation is that the bending of the light varies when individual stars pass in front of the quasar. If the lensing explanation were correct, the quasars should brighten briefly and then fade as the star moves out of alignment.



Hubble Space Telescope picture, in false color, of the Einstein Cross

At the wavelength of redshifted hydrogen Lyman alpha emission there is connecting material between the quasar D and the central galaxy core.

With access to the primary data, Arp was able to show (above) that the high-redshift quasar was connected to the nucleus of the low redshift galaxy. The image shows trails of material from ejection and the tendency for orthogonal ejection from the parent galaxy.
What about Gravitational Lensing?  | holoscience.com


and here is another case of gravitional lenses, called an Einstein Ring


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A gravitational lens effect in which the image of a remote background object, such as a quasar, is distorted into a ring by a foreground galaxy. A perfect ring will only result if the source, the lensing object, and the observer are exactly lined up, and, in addition, the mass of the lensing object is evenly distributed (see Einstein Cross). An Einstein ring image can be up to 30 times brighter than the image of the distant galaxy would be in the absence of the lensing effect.

A few good approximations to Einstein rings have been found, such as MG1131+0546 and B1938+666. In other cases, where the alignment is not perfect, the gravitational lens produces one or more arcs.
Einstein ring | daviddarling.info


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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2010, 08:06:40 »
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The DNA Mystery: Scientists Stumped By "Telepathic" Abilities

DNA has been found to have a bizarre ability to put itself together, even at a distance, when according to known science it shouldn't be able to. Explanation: None, at least not yet.

Scientists are reporting evidence that contrary to our current beliefs about what is possible, intact double-stranded DNA has the “amazing” ability to recognize similarities in other DNA strands from a distance. Somehow they are able to identify one another, and the tiny bits of genetic material tend to congregate with similar DNA. The recognition of similar sequences in DNA’s chemical subunits, occurs in a way unrecognized by science. There is no known reason why the DNA is able to combine the way it does, and from a current theoretical standpoint this feat should be chemically impossible.

Even so, research published in ACS’ Journal of Physical Chemistry B, shows very clearly that homology recognition between sequences of several hundred nucleotides occurs without physical contact or presence of proteins. Double helixes of DNA can recognize matching molecules from a distance and then gather together, all seemingly without help from any other molecules or chemical signals.

In the study, scientists observed the behavior of fluorescently tagged DNA strands placed in water that contained no proteins or other material that could interfere with the experiment. Strands with identical nucleotide sequences were about twice as likely to gather together as DNA strands with different sequences. No one knows how individual DNA strands could possibly be communicating in this way, yet somehow they do. The “telepathic” effect is a source of wonder and amazement for scientists.

“Amazingly, the forces responsible for the sequence recognition can reach across more than one nanometer of water separating the surfaces of the nearest neighbor DNA,” said the authors Geoff S. Baldwin, Sergey Leikin, John M. Seddon, and Alexei A. Kornyshev and colleagues.

This recognition effect may help increase the accuracy and efficiency of the homologous recombination of genes, which is a process responsible for DNA repair, evolution, and genetic diversity. The new findings may also shed light on ways to avoid recombination errors, which are factors in cancer, aging, and other health issues.
The DNA Mystery: Scientists Stumped By "Telepathic" Abilities | dailygalaxy.com

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Re: god is an Electric Universe?
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2010, 09:10:07 »
Surely the scientists could have put the word 'resonance' somewhere in the article. Although this resonance might well be telepathic-like. Clearly a 3-D or 4-D wave is emitted by objects and can cause resonance. And I reckon that measuring this effect would be easy if someone was to give it a real chance.
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albinos and dna
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2010, 19:51:04 »


does that report show that homeopathy can work from a "science" point of view or is that not implied from it?



is an albino peacock due to its dna being changed by a morphic/electromagnetic field?



why are certain creatures albino, like this peacock for example?


if albinos were born on other planets somehow (with different enough conditions to earth) would it be the same creature? would you get albino creatures? would they all be albino?

would humans adapt very differently?

if we are formed in gods image does that mean if we were born elsewhere we would show another physical form of god?


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Electricity is an abstraction of Consciousness
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2010, 22:07:39 »
Electricity is generated. It is not created.

"Electricity is generated by the movement of a loop of wire, or disc of copper between the poles of a magnet." - Wikipedia



What is the difference between "generation" and "creation"?
The answer can be found as usual in the etymological study of the word generation. In the English language "generation" is also used for a "offspring", a procreation.
Procreation is also known as reproduction.



So both words are correlated, but are not the same.

The generation of electricity follows the consciousness
Only the consciousness was created by God. The electricity is an abstraction of the consciousness. It is like a echo of the original creation embedding fractal patterns.



We are created in the image of God
What we perceive as reality is a process that involves our consciousness. An “external” reality, if it existed, would by definition have to exist in space. But this is meaningless, because space and time are not absolute realities but rather tools of the human and animal mind.

Without consciousness, “matter” dwells in an undetermined state of probability. Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state.

Like God our creator, we embed the universe in us, in our mind or consciousness. The "outside" world is in reality a communication platform that we create in consensus.
God has created us and we create the universe, but we are not in the universe, we are the universe. God created the blueprint and we re-create all the things following this blueprint (morphic field).

Our reality is a collective thought
The idea that the consciousness is the very center of the “universe” is not new. It has other names like “The Primacy of Consciousness” as proposed by Peter Russell and Ervin Laszlo for example. But Robert Lanza has done a good work, giving the new born baby a name and explaining why life creates the universe rather than the other way around.

See also:
- Biocentrism – A Theory of Everything that makes sense - http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/biocentrism-a-theory-of-everything-that-makes-sense/

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Free energy in a free world
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2010, 16:30:51 »
Zero Point Energy Module - The Joe Cell

The Free Energy research has already discovered Free Energy Devices that works and not only this, they give also insight of how our universe works, how consciousness works.
But this technology is suppressed by the mainstream. This world would not exist with free energy, because all the power is linked to the petrol industry and nuclear power.

How is this technology suppressed?
Mainly with disinformation! For example the biggest disinformation regarding the "Joe Cell" is that it is a electrolyze chamber. But the Joe Cell is a accumulator for a different kind of "energy". Spreading this disinformation most people are not able to replicate this technology.

Consciousness and Energy are related
Free energy is a thread to this world, the information about this technology is a thread, the awareness about it is a thread and therefore an "awakening" would be also a thread. The consciousness is kept on a low level by vaccination, junk food, junk media and junk science. They do everything in order that consciousness of the people remains low. They fear that one day a critical mass of high level conscious people would be achieved and this would destroy their illusionary world made of paper.

Money is a kind of energy
Also money is a kind of energy that is the fundament of this illusory world. Everyone needs to work hard in order to buy things that nobody needs. For example iPad, iPod, iPhone, iMac, iLLusion ... ever wondered about this hype?
The only real necessity human has is a house, a garden and a lovely neighborhood that collaborates together to have a good time. Indeed all started in a garden, in Eden, a perfect paradise. But Satan could not take over power if he was not ready to enslave humanity, by creating a cosmos (reality) based on illusory assumptions. Now all humanity believe that this world is the only choice they have.

The world of Science is enslaved by dogmatism
"Knee in front of your god, the holy particle accelerator! Pray to your higgs boson for salvation! Never ask questions! Accept the mainstream as your only reality!"


The mainstream has their own dark gods: Dark Matter, Black Holes, Anti-Matter
A open minded scientist becomes a slap into his face if he question the dogmatic claims of the mainstream.

"Mmmh, sorry Sir, why do you call it Dark Matter? Have you ever seen that there is a kind of matter? Could it not be that we has only misinterpreted our measurement? Perhaps the Electric Universe Theory is true??"
"Shut up and accelerate the particles!"
"... ok ..."

Evolution is the biggest disinformation campaign
Against all the proofs that evolution is never occurred, it is still a dogma that no mainstream science would risk to question, because this world keeps it money only flowing in their own system that supports the animal consciousness and not the divine consciousness. If science would admit that God exist and all proofs of an intelligent designer are evident in nature then nobody would anymore sustain this system. Again a big thread to the system that is suppressed with disinformation.

A interesting note: The Bible was suppressed by the Vatican all the time, because they claimed that a "hell" exist where all the people would burn in eternity if they don't pay money to them in order to get a free pass to heaven. But nowhere in the Bible is a mention about a hell. The contrary is the fact, it is written that God is a god of Love, indeed he is the personalization of Love.
Soon after Luther has translated the Bible from a dead language (latin) into a modern german and Gutenberg has invented the press to print books very fast, the divulgement of the Truth becomes a too big thread for the power of the Vatican, a new disinformation campaign started with the claim that no God exist. Darwin's theory was not based on a scientific ground work, not on knowledge in genetic.
The interesting thing is that Evolution theory was promoted soon after Gutenberg and Luther, after a big chance for the biblical truth to be known.

Soon the biggest agency of disinformation will be removed
The Bible has foretold the End of the False Religion. It says that in "one hour" their destruction will be done. This means that it will be very rapidly removed. Has you noticed the news, how angry now the mainstream is against the church? The Bible says that God himself has put his will to do in the hearts of humans. The governments will act against the False Religions believing that they will do their own will in order to promote their "New World Order". But without being aware of it they will do the perfect will of God. Even if someone of them would read this lines they would not understand it.

See also:
- The Joe Cell Myth http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=110
- The censorship and suppression of challenging ideas http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=81
- Till Death Do You Part - A World in Decomposition http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=740
- The Awakening of the Collective Consciousness and the unavoidable consequences  http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=162
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the universe is in the eye of the beholder?
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2010, 14:41:43 »
We are created in the image of God
What we perceive as reality is a process that involves our consciousness. An “external” reality, if it existed, would by definition have to exist in space. But this is meaningless, because space and time are not absolute realities but rather tools of the human and animal mind.

Without consciousness, “matter” dwells in an undetermined state of probability. Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state.

Like God our creator, we embed the universe in us, in our mind or consciousness. The "outside" world is in reality a communication platform that we create in consensus.
God has created us and we create the universe, but we are not in the universe, we are the universe. God created the blueprint and we re-create all the things following this blueprint (morphic field).

Our reality is a collective thought
The idea that the consciousness is the very center of the “universe” is not new. It has other names like “The Primacy of Consciousness” as proposed by Peter Russell and Ervin Laszlo for example. But Robert Lanza has done a good work, giving the new born baby a name and explaining why life creates the universe rather than the other way around.

great couple of posts peter.

would or will the universe change if everyone believes in a god? will it change physically or some other how?

i find with the idea that our own individual consciousness changing our own frequency and therefore the universe may help explain how "bad" people can view the world totally different to normal people. how they can believe their own universe they are creating with all its mayhem is normal. because it is to them. they do not see an alternative reality because to them there is not one.

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Re: the universe is in the eye of the beholder?
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2010, 18:38:00 »
would or will the universe change if everyone believes in a god? will it change physically or some other how?

Yes. It happened in a negative way soon after the original sin.
You can read in Genesis 3:17-19 the following words:
"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” "

The earth was cursed by the "new way of seeing". The "animal" or carnal (materialistic) eyes of Adam and Eve was opened by the serpent, the Devil. This has got a big influence on the elements of the earth, how the life energy flows in the earth, in the weather.

In a positive way the earth will be blessed in the new world when humanity will know God and restores again the "spiritual eye". (This EYE has nothing to do with the eye in the pyramid in the one dollar note. This eye in the pyramid is blasphemy)
We can read about the blessings in Isaiah 65:17-20
“For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart. But exult, YOU people, and be joyful forever in what I am creating. For here I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joyfulness and her people a cause for exultation. And I will be joyful in Jerusalem and exult in my people; and no more will there be heard in her the sound of weeping or the sound of a plaintive cry.”
“No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age; and as for the sinner, although a hundred years of age he will have evil called down upon him.


Is this not a great perspective?!

The "world" is the illusion created to enslave humanity. Our consciousness holds it together by consensus. But we have now no chance to change it by ourself, because it would all end without any chance to survive it. Therefore an divine intervention is necessary that "creates new heaven and earth" replacing this wicked system.
Humans will live forever, animals will not do any harm and the earth will give all it's fruits blessed by God. There is also written that everyone on the planet earth will know God and know what real righteousness is.

The materialistic way of see reality creates this reality. Changing point of view changes also the reality. (1 John 2:15-17)

But I need to admit that for the BIG paradigm shift a intervention of heavens military forces is necessary, because this system is already so cross-linked with our collective consciousness that it would create a big wound in the collective removing it suddenly without an controlled intervention. Therefore one of the requirements is the Judgment of the False Religion that will occur very soon. After removing this abomination the "air" will be respirable.
I am not really sure how much is done by us humans, by our mind, and how much is done by the angels. Perhaps we are not so much distant from each other. Remember the words of Nikola Tesla: there is no such thing as individuality!

i find with the idea that our own individual consciousness changing our own frequency and therefore the universe may help explain how "bad" people can view the world totally different to normal people. how they can believe their own universe they are creating with all its mayhem is normal. because it is to them. they do not see an alternative reality because to them there is not one.

You can to the same conclusion as me. How can the wicked Devil do what he do in spite of the evidence of the Glory of God and his power?
The conclusion is the same as Jesus already once said, that in the Devil is no Truth. He doesn't understand what is the truth because his efforts are all the time to ignore and to spread also disinformation in all his slaves. He lives in his reality, he depends on his reality and he could never transit to another reality because his reality is a cosmos isolated from God's cosmos. Like a rich man that wants to became more and more rich, ignoring the facts that money cannot makes happy. They may go to some psycho seminars, paying much money for learning how to huge a tree. But even if you would take them and confront them with the naked truth, they would ignore it.

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What is God: A unpersonalized intelligent force or more?
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2010, 15:17:01 »
Quote from Wikipedia on Pantheism:
"Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical, or that the Universe (including Nature on Earth) is the only thing deserving the deepest kind of reverence."

Is God a unpersonalized form of energy?
I don't know if someone reading our posts on the Electric Universe may think or believe that the whole universe is a kind of god, a energy field so vast and powerful. Easily someone could attribute to the creation a neutral force that is identified in religions as a thing called "god".
If you ask people on their opinion you may receive answers like this:
“He is everywhere, in everything. He is like the wind.”
or
“He is an indefinable intelligence, an abstract force.”

But to what does the scientific logic make aware us in this regard?

Nothing comes from nothing
In Genesis is written that humans was created in the image of God. Everyone of us has a individuality and a name. Our fingerprint, iris and DNA are individual, there are no two that are the same (even by twins and clones, because the DNA is dynamic and not static, depending on the own consciousness).
Therefor God is a individual too, because he has a name! (Matthew 6:9)

Jesus never referred to God as some abstract force. On the contrary, he talked to God and prayed to him. He often called Jehovah his heavenly Father, a term revealing his deep intimacy with God. (John 8:19, 38, 54)

Spirits are individuals
In my newsblog and here in this forum I like to write about the collective consciousness, because it implies so many interesting aspects that are ignored by the mainstream science today. But one fact is that even if a group of people forms a collective consciousness, they will never loose their individuality. Angels and demons has all a name and individuality, so has God too. The individuality is a important aspect of the divine nature.

What about the Holy Spirit?
The Holy Spirit is God's power in action. He can help us with his spirit to accomplish his will. But the Holy Spirit is not a person, it is a force.
The confusion about this fact is spread by the Catholic Church for centuries with the "Trinity" dogma. Did you know that the word "Propaganda" has it's root in the Catholic Church? Disinformation campaigns was very often used in order to misinform the public about the biblical truths. The reason is to hold the power and strengthen their empire.

Praying to God as a person
If one prays to God it is good to use his personal name "Jehovah". The Bible tells that God is interested in the humans on a individual level as also on a collective level. Therefore it is good to make use of the name of God when coming closer to him in prayer.

Individual persons shares a common morphic field
Every language has a morphic field. When I write this words in this post and you read them, they become part of you. My thoughts now in this very moment are in your consciousness. But can you hear my voice? Is it not your voice that you hear? Now my words are your words. In a similar manner praying works. You talk in your consciousness to God, with your spirit, mentioning more times his name, ... be sure he will hear you, because he is the creator of space and time, he can see what you write with your mind into the invisible field.

God is a spirit
An important and essential aspect of God is that he is a spirit and he requires worship in truth and with spirit. What does this mean?
We cannot see God. He is not made of flesh. Even the universe is not able to contain him.

“Will God truly dwell with mankind upon the earth? Look! Heaven, yes, the heaven of the heavens themselves, cannot contain you.”—2 Chronicles 6:18.

God is the perfect proof that the biocentric world view is true. He create us inside his mind, he holds us in existence every nanosecond of our life, every atom is hold together by his spirit.

If we want to worship God we should avoid any use of images! We cannot pray to a thing and expect that God will listen to us. If we pray to a man made idol we pray to a dead thing without consciousness. Only if we pray to God in spirit, in our mind or speaking out loud the words that comes from our mind and heart he will listen. We proof that we recognize his nature as a spiritual being if we pray to him also in spirit.

You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion.”—Exodus 20:4, 5

A correction of the own world view opens new perspectives
Our worldview is like a telescope or a microscope that needs adjustment in order to see clear the truth. Religion is important like science is.

"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind"


I am sure that soon a reconciliation of science and religion will occur.

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Is the electric universe a god?
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2010, 16:23:48 »
The Electric Universe works like a Superorganism

The structure of our universe is very similar to a brain. The sun communicates with our earth, the galaxies communicates with the other galaxies and the super-clusters forms a kind of super big neuron cells. Observing this one can come to the conclusion that the universe is a kind of god.

But then we forget that the universe has got a beginning. Indeed science and religion are both concord in the fact that the universe got a beginning.
In Genesis 1:1 is written that God created heaven and earth at the beginning. And in the Psalms is written that God existed in eternity and will exist in eternity. In other parts of the Bible is written that God doesn't change, he is the God of eternity.

Electricity is so electrifying
Yes, the Electric Universe is a wonderful theory that is able to predict many things. And I believe that this theory can be united with the holographic universe theory and the new biocentrism worldview.
Electricity is not researched enough in regard to the "Primacy of Consciousness" that becomes evident studying the Holographic Universe Theory and the Biocentricity.

Maybe someone here in this forum can contribute with insights how consciousness and electricity are related, not only with physical and materialistic science evidences, but also with a new kind of insight, non material. Rupert Sheldrake's theories could be a good starting point.

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Lord Vishnu calling you to seek the Absolute Truth
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2010, 20:35:14 »


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Lord Vishnu is also seen standing on the whirl of a lotus flower with four hands, which represent the four directions and indicates His absolute power in the four corners of the universe. Each hand holds an item, such as a disc, lotus, conch, and mace. Of the four items, the conch represents the five universal elements. When the conch is blown, it is said to produce a sound related to the original vibration of universal creation. The Lord also blows His conch in calling everyone to turn to the higher reality rather than remaining in the darkness of material existence. This calling is the inner voice which nudges all beings of conscience to seek the Absolute Truth. If man does not heed the call, then the Lord may still use His conch to cut asunder the ego and material attachments of those who do not turn toward the spiritual path.
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Re: Is the electric universe a god?
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2010, 18:03:24 »

Maybe someone here in this forum can contribute with insights how consciousness and electricity are related, not only with physical and materialistic science evidences, but also with a new kind of insight, non material. Rupert Sheldrake's theories could be a good starting point.

hello peter, i have been thinking about this but my head is a bit in the aether at the moment because of this event or akashic records thing. i have some ideas but getting them together is difficult. i may have to do it a tiny bit at a time instead of trying to do the whole thing

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Re: god is an Electric Universe?
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2010, 21:13:40 »

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See also:
- Biocentrism – A Theory of Everything that makes sense - http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/biocentrism-a-theory-of-everything-that-makes-sense/

The Biocentrism Theory seems to be asking the same old question:

"If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


Biocentrism says NO ... I say YES.

But this is not to say that I do not relate to certain elements of the notion ... that consciousness/mind
is at the center of the universe.

It sounds somewhat like the Sartrian question:

"Does EXISTENCE PRECEDE ESSENCE?"

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Student: "Master ... are we the mind of God?"

Master: "No grasshopper ... we are the hand of God."

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I think we must trust our senses ... we see it because it is there ... and commonsense
understanding of what is there (including EU & Universe as Mind) is probably correct.
Quantum theory ... Big Bang ... all nonsensical jabberwocky.






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Re: god is an Electric Universe?
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2010, 09:07:04 »
"If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Like most of these things this is a trick question. It is designed to make one think what a sound really is. It is consciousness, because without the brain to act as the transformer of the physical disturbance to nerve electrical impulses and the the induction of the experiencing of sound, which is consciousness, then there is really just physical vibration.

So the purpose of the question is to make one think about experiencing, consciousness.
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