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In the beginning... creation/formation/continuation theories and ideas

How was our present and past Solar System formed or created? How and what did form the planetary objects including the Plasma Gas Giants (and the Sun)? How did or did the Universe start? Does it or will it ever end? Does the Electric Universe Theory explain a Universe without "God/Creators"? Does the EU Theory explain how "God/Creators" did it and why it is maintained?

Theories and ideas to be DIScussed include Immanuel Velikovsky, the Saturn System configuration, Gary Gilligan, the anicent creation stories, thunderbolts TPODs, forum members own beliefs and ideas etc...

One of the aims is to explain, investigate and summarise the theories and then from the main idea to analysis variatons of what may have then occured.  So, starting with a scenario and then creating scionarios.

Hopefully this can help help show the pros and cons of theories in different situations.

These first couple of information/starting posts will change and be updated as stuff is added and discussed.

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In the beginning - list of theories/ideas, posts., links and DIScussions
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 00:49:45 »

In the beginning - list of theories/ideas, posts., links and DIScussions

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 07:07:24 »
Earth's history
Earth's origins are unknown. The oldest (Precambrian) rocks are greatly folded. And some of these rocks appear that they have been eroded away. Although these oldest rocks could have been formed and folded quickly and then eroded quickly, chances say that it took a long time.

Theory:
Earth consisting of only Precambrian rocks came into electrified contact with Mars, which had life. The electric current flowed between Earth and Mars and probably Saturn and maybe Jupiter. As the current travelled past Earth it divided into probably four forks, three of which went over the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean plus Siberia.  This current caused EDM (electric discharge machining) on one hemisphere of Mars and on Earth in the three areas above.

A laminated flow was produced on Earth consisting of the Earth ocean bottom rocks, Earth seawater and Martian creatures, rocks and water. Laminated sediments resulted and these are known as the Cambrian rocks. Such laminated sediments were formed at Mt St Helens due to the eruption. A large variety of complex fossils are to be found in the Cambrian rocks. These fossils came from Mars.

Each time Earth came close to Mars electrical conditions became extreme and a new set of sediments were laid on Earth. The fossils in these sediments consisted of more evolved Martian creatures plus now some creatures survived on Earth and evolved and also became part of these sediments. Fossils were only formed in the laminated flows. The bones of Earthian creatures that lived and died between these flows generally did not form fossils.

As electrical conditions moderated there came a time when Martian creatures and rocks did not reach Earth. This would be after the dinosaur fossils, as dinosaurs and other giant creatures came from Mars. Thus the recent Earthian (Cenozoic) rocks consisted only of Earthian creatures and Precambrian rocks at the bottom of the oceans that underwent EDM. There is some evidence that a mineral ratio is about the same in the Cenozoic and Precambrian rocks but quite different in rocks from the middle period (Mesozoic). Martian rocks can be considered quite likely to have the mineral ratio required to account for the difference between the Precambrian and Cenozoic rocks.

After some near approaches of Mars to Earth, the EDM of the Earth's oceans stopped. Thereafter lay a time of flourishing conditions on Earth, and maybe on Mars as well !  Stable conditions could have been reached with a long period of prosperity occurring. There may have been dinosaurs on Mars whilst our ancestors lived on Earth ! So fire breathing dragons could have been dinosaurs coming out of the sky in electrical conditions, other than the more likely cometary planets as dragons.

Then the connection between Earth and Mars was broken as possibly the whole chain of planets in the Saturn System broke up. We have not begun to recover from the effects of this trauma on human DNA. Ice ages and many planetary interactions followed. Likewise this affected DNA. Understanding what happened is the first step to recovery.
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ice ages
If the Earth was once in a different orbit, then to get from the old orbit to this one, an elliptic orbit would be expected. This means periods close to the Sun, and periods far from the Sun. Thus periods of Earth heating, and then cooling. The result: Lots of ice followed by the disappearance of some or lots of this ice. Ice ages.

Now we can estimate the time taken for Earth to go once around the Sun in such an elliptical orbit. More than a year and less than 240 years. So now we have an estimate of the time for an interglacial. Complications include the interactions of the Earth with other planets and asteroids. So that when we try to fit the orbit to the past Earth climate, then we find that the major glaciations are probably indications of different elliptical orbits. The interstadials and such oscillations in Earth temperature would be due to the Earth warming radidly as it got close to the Sun, and cooling rapidly sometimes due to interactions with other bodies and also because of volcanic activity.

The warming is said to last for thousands of years, but this may be due to the greatly increased precipitation blurring the ice core data. Otherwise the suggested time for warming is only decades or even less. And, of course, the cooling due to volcanic or meteoric explanations is also decades.

Another complication is that the Earth poles may have moved during the various elliptical orbits. Thus they might have rotated through the ecliptic, thus producing warming at the poles and cooling at the equator. However, science suggests that there was about 20 warming events and many other lesser warming events. So the lesser events could have been due to this rotation of the poles, or maybe the Earth was recovering from an eruption or interplanetary interaction or cometary impact, and there was a lot of dust in the atmosphere which stopped a full-scale warming.

So let's say somewhere between 20 and 100 approaches to the Sun, each approach say 1 to 100 years apart. ie between 20 and 10,000 years, plus the time to the present from the end of the ice ages, adds up to the years since the break-up of the Saturn System.
Mo

consequences of EU in Earth's history
There are many implicit ideas arising from the present mainstream theory of Earth's history. These ideas need to be considered if the ice ages were short, Earth was in league with Saturn, the geological column was formed by periodic flooding of the Earth, and that the whole history of life on Earth occurred in only 10s of thousands of years.

Evolution is now shown to occur epigenetically, rather than through mutation of DNA. Thus changes can occur in a few lifetimes, rather than untold lifetimes. Also heightened electrical conditions can greatly speed up this change of DNA.

There was not much time between the periodic floods, because the underlying layers had not much been affected by erosion and uplift, before the next flood produced the layer above. Yet life went through considerable changes in this time, seen in the fossils in these sedimentary layers.

If humanity occurred only ten or twenty thousand years ago, then we have to wonder whether we evolved from neanderthals, etc. That dramatic changes, happening very quickly, resulted in more advanced creatures, is very curious. Maybe there was humanity on Mars in an advanced stae.

Also note that we are not adapted to the Sun. Presumably, the radiation received on the Earth's surface when in the Saturn System, would have been somewhat different to that received from the Sun. Our healthy reaction to small amounts of some radiation exposure, may be evidence of this difference.

But the most obvious effect on humanity is the huge drama humans would have gone through upon the break-up of the Saturn System and the subsequent ice ages. At the very least many genes would have been permanently turned on or off as a result of this trauma. Various abilities were probably lost as a consequence.

It is highly unlikely that we are of totally alien origin, as adaption to the bacteria, fungi, etc of Earth would seem absolutely necessary. Therefore our DNA has been effected by the cataclysms of the past. A fearful disposition could have resulted, leading to self-protecting activities like war. We might have to relive these past trauma, so as to correct this fear. Thus understanding Earth's history would be paramount to producing a peaceful disposition, and regaining lost abilities (siddhis).
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RE: Mo's Theory - Earth shaped by Electric Universe EDM
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 06:17:58 »

Earth was a protorockyplanet like the others in our solar system with similar atmospheres when they are first created, basically a baby planet. they may vary with a couple of different types of starter rocky planet but to work through starting scenarios we can say for now they were basically the same.

"Earth consisting of only Precambrian rocks" - how did they flow over these areas? was it basically along the north/south line or in a S shape (thinking of either side of the Atlantic) ?


formation/creation of the Earth in an Electric Universe - EDM

The oceans have lines running across them but also the mid ocean ridges seem to run downwards.

EDM from planetary plasma discharges in an Electric Universe - Deqin/Deqen Tibet/China

Siberia - did it flow through it and come out around Deqin/Deqen in China/Tibet? (around 28°34'33.09"N  99°14'46.47"E on google earth)

Would you be able to draw on a map or maps of the Earth where and how it flowed or EDM'd the surface/oceans?


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I've got the funny feeling that there may be many planets floating around out there in the cold. They would lose atmosphere and water and wander around in space for long periods. They would be very hard to detect. And maybe the Earth had no atmosphere or water when it entered the Solar System and interacted with Saturn getting an atmosphere similar to Venus. The Earth then perhaps got caught by Saturn and underwent EDM with Mars forming the ocean basins and the geological column of sediment. Water was transferred during this process and the CO2 in the atmosphere became carbonates.

Thus the Precambrian rocks might have formed untold ages ago in a different region of the galaxy. The EDM pattern of the 'S' shape of a Birkeland current is a good indication that the  Atlantic Ocean was formed this way. The East-West lines across the Atlantic could be evidence of  there being a stretching force on the Earth, presumably by a near approach of another planet. This probably occurred in the Saturn System, but could be more recent. The Andes, Rockies and even the Himalayas could have all been formed in this one episode. 
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All is ONE.
A sea of something, that sea is clear as glass, invisable and as none existant to our senses.
that sea is super dense, making diamond appear as a gas.
This One is crystal in form with multiple faces that are arranged in a sequence manner.
An electrical resonance of super high frequency permeates this and rebounds off the outer faces of the crystal.
This forms a geometric lattice grid where zillions of meeting points develop.
These meeting points spawn ever more points about themselves in the geometry that becomes ever so more complex.
The frequencies then encounter each other and lower relative to the geometry.
The sea of something is SOMETHING We have no comprehension of and is capable of supporting countless variants of accumulations of the frequencies all at the same time in the same space.
The most common feature that develops is spheroids that locally create their own mini universe about themselves, a sort of holographic fractal repeating system.
The overall frequency is continuous and thus it leads to continuous lower down in geometric fashion into what We think of as mass.
All is ONE, thus everything is built of the one with anything created been that one just resonating in different geometric fashion and accumulating in ever expanding fashion about itself by re-orientating the one substance the resonance encounters.


To think this locally a tree is best visualised as a mimi geometric formation it "GROWS" by altering the sea of something about itself to be the local geometric formation of that something as long as the tree is empowered by it's own revolving dual formation of the resonance.
Galaxies/stars/planets/moons/trees etc etc etc are merely all reacting in similer fashion to the method that this resonance has in a dualistic fashion that chases itself from face to face within this sea of one something.

Everything is continuously morphing to suit the field of resonance it comes influenced by, when a tree is felled it will begin to morph into the field of the planet, oak will harden until it becomes stone.
A tree can move as such when the wind blows, it is not moving as so much as maintaining it's own local formationwithin the field about itself, it will attempt to maintain that by re-positioning it's formation into the adjoining sea of something in the direction that another field is over riding it,s own to morph to, if it encounters a stronger more densely compacted field that RESISTS moving then it encounters resistance .
The more compacted the fields are the more dense we call them, the more resistance they have to been altered.
Diamond is very dense compacted field, it will morph easily any part of the sea of something it encounters, it is not moving other than been able to locally morph whatever it encounters of the ONE sea of something.
We think of it in terms of it been seperate and able to resist anything else, no it is able to change anything else.

Thus We are what the sun was eight minutes as we call them time ago, the part of the sea of something that was arranged as the sun we are it's re-forming downstream area of something is what causes light and heat etc, it is merely the sea of something re-setting and thus affecting our planets field, which was formed in the first place by the ever expanding geometry of the sun.

The continuous interactions and reactions are mind boggling complex, so I find it best to adhere to K.I.S.S and keep it simple, thus a tree embraces the whole system within itself, a simple way of SEEING the whole system, where all is ONE, and that one is all things, and all things are constantly been re-formed to be what they are in a super fast temporary fashion, the sun is not a seperate ball , it is a living field that morphs the sea of something into itself as it encounters it and what it was resets as it passes through it always travelling upon the geometry it is following, that it was created upon.
Confusing it is.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 15:46:15 »
I've got the funny feeling that there may be many planets floating around out there in the cold. They would lose atmosphere and water and wander around in space for long periods. They would be very hard to detect. And maybe the Earth had no atmosphere or water when it entered the Solar System and interacted with Saturn getting an atmosphere similar to Venus. The Earth then perhaps got caught by Saturn and underwent EDM with Mars forming the ocean basins and the geological column of sediment. Water was transferred during this process and the CO2 in the atmosphere became carbonates.

Thus the Precambrian rocks might have formed untold ages ago in a different region of the galaxy. The EDM pattern of the 'S' shape of a Birkeland current is a good indication that the  Atlantic Ocean was formed this way. The East-West lines across the Atlantic could be evidence of  there being a stretching force on the Earth, presumably by a near approach of another planet. This probably occurred in the Saturn System, but could be more recent. The Andes, Rockies and even the Himalayas could have all been formed in this one episode. 
Mo

the idea of wandering rocky planets may explain where they come from and fits in with the ideas of the Velikovsky/Ackerman Scenario. I understand the EU Theory from Wal/Scott/etc of Electric Suns splitting in 2 to reduce their electrical stress but still am puzzled as to where the rock/material comes from in a sun or how it forms in a z-pinch.

Material seems to be found coming from EU activity, minerals etc from "quasars" so perhaps a massive EU event creates the minerals/rock and this is how it comes from a star? or the minerals are produced then a zpinch forms them into a planet?

i really like what you say Mo about the process of it gaining atmosphere etc, certainly a good possibility of what may have happened. a great base to work out the variations of what might have happened to planets or the earth

would you suggest that all the rocky planets in the solar system are captured wanderers or just the earth?


i had thought of the stretch lines in the atlantic as either scouring by birkeland currents or signs of a growing earth?


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the idea of wandering rocky planets may explain where they come from and fits in with the ideas of the Velikovsky/Ackerman Scenario. I understand the EU Theory from Wal/Scott/etc of Electric Suns splitting in 2 to reduce their electrical stress but still am puzzled as to where the rock/material comes from in a sun or how it forms in a z-pinch.  electrobleme

The metal-rich stars most likely got that way over time by the metals being formed in the electrical effects around the star, and then these metals fall or are transported to the star where they stockpile. After that planets could form during splitting, or else the star becomes dust and dust can be pinched into planets, or other possibilities.

The origins of any planet may be physically determined in some far distant future, but psychic investigation will probably be the best humanity can do until then. Alien information is pretty likely also. But theories of formation of planets at the same time that the Sun is formed seem pretty useless to me.

i had thought of the stretch lines in the atlantic as either scouring by birkeland currents or signs of a growing earth?  electrobleme

If the Americas were held still, whilst the rest of the Earth kept rotating, what would you expect would happen. The land to the east of the Americas would press into the Americas and pile up producing mountains. The land to the west would be stretched and sink giving rise to stretch marks and legends of land sinking. The land below Americas would push past the Americas into the region below the Atlantic. And all of these things are in evidence.
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Sorry - make that the land to the west of the Americas piles up, whilst the land to the east stretches and sinks.
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Re: Mo's theory - ice ages
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 20:20:49 »
ice ages
If the Earth was once in a different orbit, then to get from the old orbit to this one, an elliptic orbit would be expected. This means periods close to the Sun, and periods far from the Sun. Thus periods of Earth heating, and then cooling. The result: Lots of ice followed by the disappearance of some or lots of this ice. Ice ages.

Now we can estimate the time taken for Earth to go once around the Sun in such an elliptical orbit. More than a year and less than 240 years. So now we have an estimate of the time for an interglacial. Complications include the interactions of the Earth with other planets and asteroids. So that when we try to fit the orbit to the past Earth climate, then we find that the major glaciations are probably indications of different elliptical orbits. The interstadials and such oscillations in Earth temperature would be due to the Earth warming radidly as it got close to the Sun, and cooling rapidly sometimes due to interactions with other bodies and also because of volcanic activity.

The warming is said to last for thousands of years, but this may be due to the greatly increased precipitation blurring the ice core data. Otherwise the suggested time for warming is only decades or even less. And, of course, the cooling due to volcanic or meteoric explanations is also decades.

Another complication is that the Earth poles may have moved during the various elliptical orbits. Thus they might have rotated through the ecliptic, thus producing warming at the poles and cooling at the equator. However, science suggests that there was about 20 warming events and many other lesser warming events. So the lesser events could have been due to this rotation of the poles, or maybe the Earth was recovering from an eruption or interplanetary interaction or cometary impact, and there was a lot of dust in the atmosphere which stopped a full-scale warming.

So let's say somewhere between 20 and 100 approaches to the Sun, each approach say 1 to 100 years apart. ie between 20 and 10,000 years, plus the time to the present from the end of the ice ages, adds up to the years since the break-up of the Saturn System.
Mo


i like it Mo, I got some questions and ideas that occured to me after reading it :)

elliptical orbits changed due to changes in electric gravity - due to the solar system circuit changing (planets as individual components) or the amount of power flowing through the system (triggered by an event). could the change in power or the earths component type (more atmosphere/water etc) be shown by the ice ages and global warming, not getting closer or further away from the sun?

why large elliptical orbits for the planets producing ice ages and warming? could they not move into the new orbit quickly? thinking about atoms etc jumping up or down to the next level

as the orbits were different when we were very close or locked in with the other planets could this produce the ice ages or global warming, depending on how the circuit was operating between the 2 planets?

could you use this idea of the elliptical orbits and the amount of them from the warming periods and link it with the work/evidence from the God King Scenario / Comet Venus to see how each compared to the other or if they can work together?


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Re: In the beginning... creation/formation/continuation theories and ideas
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2010, 11:01:48 »
If there was an increase in power flowing through the Solar System then at the moment this means more flow between the Sun and Mercury, which would change the orbit of Mercury to one further away from the Sun. And so there would be more interaction between Mercury and Venus and the orbit of Venus will change.

The large elliptical orbits basically arise because many of the planets came from Saturn, and so they travel nearer the Sun and enter an elliptical orbit. However, interplanetary interactions could have sent one of these planets on a wild orbit, where electrical interaction would be enhanced, and so the orbit becomes less wild with each interaction.

If Mars or Venus periodically electrically interacted with Earth, then, yes, this could produce a cyclic heating, or cooling from the dust. Perhaps such an interaction occurred between Earth and Saturn or Jupiter during the large elliptical orbit at it's greatest distance from the Sun. These interactions reduced the eccentricity of Earth's orbit and brought it to near the end of the ice ages. It was then that comet Venus became more significant.
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blowing the safety fuse in a planetary system?
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2010, 06:47:24 »
If Mars or Venus periodically electrically interacted with Earth, then, yes, this could produce a cyclic heating, or cooling from the dust. Perhaps such an interaction occurred between Earth and Saturn or Jupiter during the large elliptical orbit at it's greatest distance from the Sun. These interactions reduced the eccentricity of Earth's orbit and brought it to near the end of the ice ages. It was then that comet Venus became more significant.
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it seems that some of the great natural catastrophes that were said to cause the ice ages happened during the ice age themselves that they were believed to have created. things like super volcanoes or meteor impacts which in the EU would be the interaction between the planets. perhaps the release of the safety valve or to put it in a more EU term the blowing of the safety fuse to reset the system?

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perhaps the release of the safety valve or to put it in a more EU term the blowing of the safety fuse to reset the system? electrobleme

This is exactly the idea when Venus got too close to Earth and the electric current and dust exchange modified their orbits. However I see much more chaotic conditions in the ice ages with many planets in an elliptical orbit. The planets at this stage could have ended up anywhere.
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Planet formation (Wal Thorhhill)
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2010, 07:24:00 »

immense article from Wal Thornhill on lots of planetary and solar system bodies and stuff

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Planet formation

In a suddenly changing electrical environment a star may ‘split’ into pieces to accommodate electrical stress. It presents a larger surface area to the discharge current. Of 100 nearby stars 40 are binaries, 15 triplets and 5 quadruplets. The partitioning usually includes smaller objects — ‘hot’ gas giants — so-called because they have been found to orbit a star extremely closely.

Not all stars shine brightly like the Sun. There is a discontinuity in plasma discharge phenomena that causes the bright ‘anode tufting’ seen as granulation on our own Sun. At lower power densities there is no need for ‘tufting’ and the red chromospheric ‘anode glow’ becomes dominant. That is the realm of red stars, both so-called dwarfs and giants. Both appear giant relative to the physical size of the star because their red chromospheric anode glow expands into space seeking electrons to satisfy their discharge. Brown dwarfs are like our own gas giants but leading an electrical existence independent of a bright star. They are more abundant than bright stars in the galaxy. All bodies in the universe are supplied with electrical power.

Capture of another star by the Sun is likely because orbits are changed strongly by charge exchange. Change the charge on a celestial body and its mass is changed. By simple conservation of energy, its orbit is changed in the same proportion. Entering the Sun’s circuit, the electric light goes out on a captured dwarf star and it becomes a gas giant planet in a distant orbit. It seems that electrogravitic restoring forces due to repeated passages of a strongly discharging planet (comet) through the Sun’s equatorial current sheet during capture causes the captive star to settle toward that plane.

Given this scenario we are much better placed to understand our ‘fruit salad’ of a solar system. The distant gas giant planets are captured brown dwarf stars, each bringing its entourage of minor planets (moons), some actually being born (expelled electrically from the core) in the process of charge exchange and capture. Saturn retains its ‘expulsion disk’ and is the most recent addition to the solar system. Saturn is remembered by the earliest civilizations as THE SUN! (See “Cassini’s Homecoming.” Our book, Thunderbolts of the Gods, details the global petroglyph evidence for powerful electrical effects witnessed in Saturn’s transition from star to gas giant. The strange, complex figures are accurate renditions of plasma instabilities seen only recently in the highest energy electrical experiments on Earth.

This throws into sharp relief how recently the solar system last changed. It is exactly as it appears — a blended family. The Sun is our foster parent. Looking for gradations in properties of the planets according to a retrocalculated theoretical order is futile. We must learn to appreciate the familial differences and in the process learn more about our neighborhood in the Milky Way. We don’t need to travel to study the nearest stars. Some have come to us!
Planet formation  | Astronomical Myths of Mercury & the Sun | holoscience.com

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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 18:57:30 »
perhaps the release of the safety valve or to put it in a more EU term the blowing of the safety fuse to reset the system? electrobleme

This is exactly the idea when Venus got too close to Earth and the electric current and dust exchange modified their orbits. However I see much more chaotic conditions in the ice ages with many planets in an elliptical orbit. The planets at this stage could have ended up anywhere.
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planets elliptical and tilited orbits


these show pluto but its an example of an elliptical and possible tilited orbit that Mo is suggesting happened to our planets. what harmony or dance would the planets have been in? venus seems to have been linked to the earth before and now. is there any way from the catastrophes and the "Comet Venus" history that we can work out any other relationships between the planets orbits?


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Other cases of locked-in rotation

Moons whose rotation is "locked in" or "synchronous"--always presenting the same face to the parent body--are surprisingly common in the solar system, especially inner moons, close to the planet. All four "Galilean satellites" of Jupiter are synchronous: volcanic Io, Europa, Ganymede and Callisto, all discovered by Galileo. The 5 inner moons of Saturn are similarly synchronous, as is Iapetus, more distant, the mysterious half-dark-half-light moon which in Arthur Clarke's book "2001, Space Odyssey" was the gateway to another world.

The rotation of the planet Mercury is locked onto the Sun in a strange way--three rotations every two orbits. And the strange rotation of Venus, from east to west, unlike Earth--seems to be locked on Earth. The lock seems imperfect and may be accidental, but the fact is that every time Venus is closest to Earth, it presents us with almost exactly the same face. Venus is covered by dense clouds, and the radar-carrying Magellan mission has mapped almost all of its surface in great detail. Before that, though, the main tool for studying the surface were radio telescopes, doubling as radar dishes for bouncing signals off the planet. Only imperfect images could be obtained, but astronomers were frustrated to find that on every closest approach, the same face presented itself.
Libration of the Moon | nasa.gov



this article and study below shows that what might happen to orbits going chaotic in a gravity only universe

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The problem of stability of the Solar System was enunciated by Isaac Newton after establishing his law of gravitation. If we consider a single planet around the Sun, we well retrieve the elliptical motion of Kepler. However, once several planets orbit around the Sun, they are subject to their mutual attraction, which disturbs their movement. Until recently, scientists have accepted a regular and quasi-periodic picture for the motion of the planets, allowing no collisions or close encounters.

Just 20 years ago, using numerical computations, Jacques Laskar showed that the motion of the solar system is chaotic. Therefore, it is impossible to precisely predict the motion of the planets over more than a few tens of millions of years (Myr)....


Example of long-term evolution of the planetary orbits: Mercury (white), Venus (green), Earth (blue), Mars (red). Time is indicated in thousands of years (kyr). (a) In the vicinity of the current state, the orbits become distorted under the influence of planetary perturbations, but without allowing close encounters or collisions. (b) In about 1% of cases, the orbit of Mercury may be distorted enough to allow a collision with Venus or the Sun in less than 5 Gyr. (c) In one of the trajectories, the eccentricity of Mars increases sufficiently to allow for a close encounter or collision with Earth. (d) This leads to a destabilization of the terrestrial planets that also allows a collision between Venus and Earth.

...In the majority of the cases, the planets continue to evolve as in the most recent few million years: the planetary orbits become deformed and precess under the planetary mutual perturbations, but without possibility of collisions or ejection out of Solar system. Nevertheless, in about 1% of the cases, Mercury's eccentricity increases considerably. In several cases, this deformation of the orbit of Mercury leads to a collision with Venus or with the Sun in less than 5 Gyr while the orbit of the Earth remains little affected. In contrast, for one of these orbits, the increase of the eccentricity of Mercury is followed by an increase in the eccentricity of Mars, and a complete destabilization of the inner Solar System (Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars) in 3.4 Gyr. Among 201 cases examined starting from this destabilization time, 5 examples led to the ejection of Mars out of the Solar System. All other cases lead to collisions between planets or between a planet and the Sun in less than 100 million years. One case resulted in a collision between Mercury and the Earth, 29 cases in a collision between Mars and Earth and 18 to a collision between Venus and the Earth.
Mercury, Mars, Venus and the Earth: when worlds collide! | obspm.fr