The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?

[The Aten]

Nefertiti (Venus) and the Aten (mercury) in their original colour.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre

Quote:

“We have red sun rays and yellow sun rays,” said Gohary. It’s a mystery why the Aten was depicted this way. One idea is that maybe the red sun rays are sunrise or sunset or something like that,” he added.
“This find raises the question of whether the sun disc itself was depicted in different colours. “They all seem to be more or less the same shade of red.”

They should also be asking as to why the Aten (Mercury!) is never shown with a complete set of 360 degree rays - or why, given Re’s prominence, the AE’s never carved a simple yellow sun with a complete set of sunrays... not one!     


GG

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Nefertiti (Venus) and the Aten (mercury) in their original colour.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre

Quote:

“We have red sun rays and yellow sun rays,” said Gohary. It’s a mystery why the Aten was depicted this way. One idea is that maybe the red sun rays are sunrise or sunset or something like that,” he added.
“This find raises the question of whether the sun disc itself was depicted in different colours. “They all seem to be more or less the same shade of red.”

They should also be asking as to why the Aten (Mercury!) is never shown with a complete set of 360 degree rays - or why, given Re’s prominence, the AE’s never carved a simple yellow sun with a complete set of sunrays... not one!     


GG

that article also mentions interesting stuff about Nefertiti in relation to the God King Scenario .. the bit at the end says that only the Pharoahs and not the princesses had amumlets/bracelets with the names of the gods on them.

the article quotes new information from the Amarna Art Talatat blocks which are colour blocks surviving from the pharaoh Akhenaten period.

Nefertiti’s fashion

“We seem to have rather more representations of the Queen than the King,” said Dr. Gohary, indicating that some of these blocks came from a temple that had a section dedicated to Nefertiti.

Gohary gave a detailed description as to how these blocks portray the Queen.

In addition to her pleated dress, “she has a red sash which is tied underneath the breasts and then hangs down – the ends of the sash hang down to almost mid-calf length,” she said. “She wears different styles of wigs as well.”

“She wears one which is painted blue,” and “has two long pieces that hangs down – one either side of her face and a longer piece at the back.”

There appear to ringlets or some other accessory attached to it. “Sometimes extended from the end of the long blue wig – at the bottom there – is a cobra – which of course is a symbol of protection for royalty.”

She also occasionally wears what we call a Nubian wig, “(a) much shorter wig which is coloured black, again with ringlets,” said Gohary.

Also “frequently she wears a crown with two very tall feathers, it’s a gold crown with two feathers covered in gold,” said Gohary.

“On her forehead she has a double cobra – which is a type of headdress which is worn by her mother in law – Queen Tiye.”

Gohary pointed out that it’s unusual that there are two cobras on Nefertiti – examples from Amarna show her only wearing one. “This is something perhaps which people in the future will be able to study and find some significance to this.”

Armlets and Bracelets

“She wears armlets on her upper arms and bracelets on her wrist, which is usually decorated with the cartouches of the two names of the Aten, the sun disc,” said Dr. Gohary. “The bracelets (are) very brightly coloured, in blue, in green and red, obviously representing gold bracelets which are inlaid with turquoise and carnelian for example.”

Nefertiti’s daughters are depicted a bit differently.

“What is interesting about the princess, that accompanies the Queen, (is) she also wears bracelets but hers are not decorated with the names of the gods,” she said. “It’s only the King and Queen that have them decorated that way.”

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Comet Venus - Venus in the guise of Egypts Queens

GKS (God King Scenario)

**  the tall 2 plumed crowns were representations of how venus looked in the skies at that time

** the queen also represented venus - coloured skull caps displaying the colour and also the see through dresses showing its thin atmosphere

** if the queen is shown associated/between with another god or gods then venus was in that gods realm/location in the sky

** if the queen had a crown/headdress without the coloured orb in it then the planet venus itself could have been obscured by its location - either below the earths horizon or by its location around the sun. the double plume of its cometary tail still visible in the sky


Gods wife of Amun

the queens important role was to be "Gods wife of Amun". pharaohs kingship shown by his relationship and position within Amun (the aurora). queens special relationship with Amun due to similar position and the double plume of venus looking similar to the twin tails/plumes of the aurora as it stretched away from earth (the earths magnetotail)


Amun and Venus - a marriage made in heaven

** the earths aurora and its magnetotail were more visible during this time due to solar system conditions - the magnetotail appeared at night as 2 "towers" and moved across the sky opposite to where the sun was. the double plumes of Amun symbolising a relationship with venus/queen - the wife of god.

Egyptians God's wife embrace and the Egypt Pharaoh ritual embrace

** "the god's wife embrace" - an amazing intimate image of the 2 gods shown with their legs between each other - this signifies Venus between the 2 plumes/towers of Amun.

Egypts Gods wife embrace and the Egyptian Pharaohs and God ritual embrace

** if these are not scenes as described above then the egyptian queen would have had sex with a mythical god to then give birth to the next pharaoh

** all egyptian queens wearing the Comet Venus crown (except Nefertiti) were also "God's Wife". This lasted for 900 years until the end of Cleopatra, the last Queen of Egypt. Meaning the planet Venus appeared as the Comet Venus in earths skies for that period, in all its various forms as shown by the queens physical appearences and associations.

"At the end of this period, the heavens cleared and Venus slowly disapeared into the glare of the sun before re-emerging to shine as a beautiful star in the night sky."

Comet Venus - book by Gary Gilligan

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Comet Venus - Mars and Venus


Abu Simbel - Nefertari (Venus) and Ramesses (Mars)

The plumed Mars

** Other solar system bodies such as Mercury, Mars and the Moon also sometimes had the plumed comet planet tail. the evidence is in the images that adorn the egyptian temples. In the image above of Ramesses (Mars) and wife Nefertari (Venus) the disk of Ramesses (Mars) is smaller than Nefertari (Venus) and this is how they were observed in the sky at that time.

** Ramesses II was the warrior king and his crown displays the physical look of Mars at that time - double plume and red disk.

** Mars and Venus had different effects or results when the solar wind hit them because Venus was brand new planet and Mars much like earth. Venus formed the Hathor horns and Mars "protected" itself and produced a bow shock portrayed as flatter twisted ram horns.


Not the Sun!

** If the orbs on the crowns were the Sun why were they so different? They are not the Sun.


Ramesses, "Beloved of Amun"

"Ramses-MeryAmun, beloved of Amun, like Re, forever ..."

** Ramesses/Mars located in Amun - either in the aurora or amongst its 2 towers/plumes. Venus (female) role in same location could be married or wife of Amun but Mars the warrior in same location could not marry a male god so was beloved of Amun

Abu Simbel entrance and the pharoahs/gods/planets - the God King Scene or Scenario

I would like to finish by reiterating that the crowns worn by the monarchy. although deeply significant, were not always representative of the planet's outlines. On the contrary, many times the monarchy became veiled behind a wall of dust and debris with only a hint of a red orb visible. The pictorial representations and accompanying sacred texts must be studied individually to understand exactly what the Egyptians were trying to convey and how they percieved a particular event or occasion.

At Abu Simbel the Egyptians worked the living rock to construct two large temples in honour of Ramesses/Mars and Nefertiti/Venus. Fortunately for us, both planetary bodies are shown in their true form via the crowns. Furthermore, every relief. image, inscription and sacred glyph fully corroborates the GKS.
Comet Venus by Gary Gilligan

from the book and website Comet Venus by Gary Gilligan

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and that is the end of the Comet Venus book review but not, i suspect, the end of the impact of gary gilligans ideas and also the ideas of those who have contributed to this amazing discussion on Egyptian mythology and Catastrophism in an Electric Universe.

i for one will certainly never look at Egyptian gods/pharaohs again in the same light. what is also good is the "transferable skills" of gary's ideas - that you can look at other countries myths and legends and see either where they came from or what they could mean.

great work gary and thanks

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the article quotes new information from the Amarna Art Talatat blocks which are colour blocks surviving from the pharaoh Akhenaten period.

Nefertiti’s fashion

“We seem to have rather more representations of the Queen than the King,” said Dr. Gohary, indicating that some of these blocks came from a temple that had a section dedicated to Nefertiti.

Gohary gave a detailed description as to how these blocks portray the Queen.

In addition to her pleated dress, “she has a red sash which is tied underneath the breasts and then hangs down – the ends of the sash hang down to almost mid-calf length,” she said. “She wears different styles of wigs as well.”

“She wears one which is painted blue,” and “has two long pieces that hangs down – one either side of her face and a longer piece at the back.”

There appear to ringlets or some other accessory attached to it. “Sometimes extended from the end of the long blue wig – at the bottom there – is a cobra – which of course is a symbol of protection for royalty.”

She also occasionally wears what we call a Nubian wig, “(a) much shorter wig which is coloured black, again with ringlets,” said Gohary.

Also “frequently she wears a crown with two very tall feathers, it’s a gold crown with two feathers covered in gold,” said Gohary.

“On her forehead she has a double cobra – which is a type of headdress which is worn by her mother in law – Queen Tiye.”

Gohary pointed out that it’s unusual that there are two cobras on Nefertiti – examples from Amarna show her only wearing one. “This is something perhaps which people in the future will be able to study and find some significance to this.”
http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre

when reading this i was intrigued by the mention of ringlets and wondered what it could be, was it related to the cobra thing or totally different. was there anything special it could be?

this youtube video is meant to be of venus. the thing is at the moment i cant find anything about it from NASA so i am not sure if it is true, a fake or just the sun!

the video is meant to show some object impacting into venus to cause a massive explosion/ejection/eruptian that looks very much like a CME or Coronal Mass Ejection.

if the video of the venus ejection is true then could this explain the Amarna Art Talatat blocks showing Nefertiti with ringlets? could Nefertiti's ringlets be CME's? a multiple event of them or Coronal Mass Ejections happening over a long period?

even if the video is fake does this give us a clue to what might have happened to Venus when it was first born and it was the Velikovsky's Comet Venus?


Venus hit by asteroid/meteorite?


venus and NASA image of impact?


Egyptian Amarna art Talatat blocks show Nefertiti with ringlets - is this Venus ejectrion/CME the original inspiration for the Nefertiti's ringlets?


the God King Scenario and Velikovsky's Comet Venus (Nefertiti) with ringlets as shown by the Amarna art Talatat blocks?


Venus - CME (Coronal Mass Ejection)


CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) from a planet the solar system and not a star? Electric Universe?


egyptian cobra was a royalty symbol - inspired by CME's (Coronal Mass Ejections)?

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as i mentioned in the previous post i couldnt find anything official to do with the Venus Mass Ejection ... here is the NASA STEREO explaination (thanks to Mo for sending me the link)

still, if the egyptian pharaohs were planetary god kings and their physcial likeness at the time were shown in the egyptian temples and statues, what were Nefertiti’s ringlets as shown in the colorful Amarna Art Talatat blocks?

Welcome to the STEREO Learning Center

Image artifacts - Internal reflections

Light reflecting inside the telescope optics, and diffracting off edges within the telescopes, can produce some interesting effects. Consider this series of images showing the planet Venus leaving the field of view of the HI1-B telescope between Janary 26-31, 2009. As Venus approaches the edge of the field-of-view, a ring shape is seen apparently coming out of the planet. This is caused by reflections of the bright planet off of the camera barrel. (If you look closely at the full-field version of the January 26, 2009 image above, you'll see a large, faint bubble on the left side of the image, which is also an internal reflection of Venus.) The ring grows progressively larger as time goes by. On January 31, a horizontal streak appears near the position where Venus disappeared. This latter effect is caused by diffraction off of the optical baffles.
Click here for a more detailed explanation.
Image artifacts - Internal reflections | stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov

here is a different video fo the Venus "CME" http://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/images/venus_brightens.mp4

[The Aten]

Hello all, especially Matt. 

I would just like to say I'm greatly indebted to Matt for reviewing my book Comet Venus. I really cannot thank him enough for actually taking the time to read my work. It has at the very least brought a few more followers to the cause. 

Thanks Matt, if only there were a few more open minded people like yourself. People who are not only prepared to think outside the box, but throw away the box and start again.

Okay, enough grovelling 

For those interested, I added another page to my site.

God King Planets or Uniquely Human? 

http://www.gks.uk.com/gks18/

Loads more to come as material is something I'm not short of.

Gary Gilligan

http://www.gks.uk.com/

[kevin]

This is a thought from way outside any box.
Visualise a figure of eight, then imagine this planet anywhere along that pathway, then imagine it been at all points along that pathway.
Imagine near the centre point of that pathway the planet nearing itself in another time.
They will never actually meet, but will interfere with each other, and the information contents of both time related fields about this planet will bleed into each other.
That is merely this planet, all others are similer as is the sun, not binary in any way, the self same in another time and spinning in the opposite direction after they loop around the outer reaches of the figure of eight.
These figure of eights will be effectively tripped off course each time onto an alternative figure of eight pathway, these will eventually build up into torroidal shaped systems called galaxies.
Kevin

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Will Mercury Hit Earth Someday?

First, the bad news: the inner solar system is unstable. Given enough time, Jupiter's gravity could yank Mercury out of its present orbit.

Two new computer simulations of long-term planetary motion — one by Jacques Laskar (Paris Observatory), the other by Konstantin Batygin and Gregory Laughlin (University of California, Santa Cruz) — have both reached the same disturbing conclusion.

Says Laughlin, "The solar system isn't as stable as we'd thought." Both teams have found that Jupiter's gravity can increase Mercury's orbital eccentricity over time. Mercury's path around the Sun is already nearly as elliptical as Pluto's. But Jupiter can make Mercury's orbit so out of round that it overlaps the path of Venus. A close encounter between them could send the innermost planet careening off wildly.

"Once Mercury crosses Venus's orbit," Laughlin says, "Mercury is in serious trouble."

So is Earth.

At that point, the simulations predict Mercury will suffer generally one of four fates: it crashes into the Sun, gets ejected from the solar system, it crashes into Venus, or — worst of all — crashes into Earth.

To call this catastrophic is a gross understatement. Such an impact would kill all life on our planet. Nothing would survive. By contrast, the asteroid that doomed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago was likely just 6 miles in diameter; Mercury is 3,032 miles across. The last time an object about that size hit the Earth, the resulting debris formed our Moon.

Think we'll escape the chaos by fleeing to Mars? Think again. Even Mars might not be safe. In one of the computer simulations, the Red Planet was tossed into the cold of interstellar space.

Now, the good news: there's only about a 1% chance that Mercury will go crazy before the Sun bloats into a red giant billions of years from now. "If you're an optimist," says Laughlin, "then you say the glass is 99 percent full."

Laskar, who discovered that Mercury could go wild back in 1994, will publish his paper in Icarus; Batygin (who's still an undergraduate) and Laughlin will publish theirs in The Astrophysical Journal.
Will Mercury Hit Earth Someday?

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/18103199.html

Discussion on the FR forum:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2010050/posts

Two new computer simulations of long-term planetary motion — one by Jacques Laskar (Paris Observatory), the other by Konstantin Batygin and Gregory Laughlin (University of California, Santa Cruz) — have both reached the same disturbing conclusion.......

This flies in the face of the claim which Robert Bass made about the Titus/Bode law which describes the present planetary system as being a/the solution to a dynamical relaxation problem.  Bass is one of America's better mathematicians and his findings have been used to argue against people claiming that our system could not have gone from a Velikovskian system to its present formation in less than some much larger space of time.  Bass viewed this result as his opus magnus in life and had been very careful in working it out.

All of that is before you get to any sort of an idea about electricity having anything to do with orbits or stability of course...

tholden on thunderbolts

[Native]

Hello,
Visiting Gary Gilligans site, it is very clear that he is a true follower of the Velikovski catastrophic ideas of ancient astronomical disasters, build on astronomical knowledge and mythological telling and symbols.

- It is a great idea to compare the mytological telling to modern astronomical and cosmological science! (I do this very much myself) Unfortunately Velikovski was born into a society and a world, where ancient deity names also was given to some of the known planets.

- Originally all the great and supreme deities (from all over the world) were connected specifically to the Milky Way contours, a large white/whitish structure which, in its full figure, is mentioned as a ring/circle around the Earth, often symbolized as a great serpent. (The Gary Gilligans "Debris ring around the Earth" http://www.gks.uk.com/hathor-isis-egyptian/)
 
- Ancient people divided their world in two parts: The Upperworld, the one above at day and night and The Underworld, the one in which the sun; moon and stars seemingly dived into.

This division of the northern and the southern day and night sky also holds the two separate supreme and major deities: On the northern hemisphere, The Upperworld, the half crescent Milky Way figure is symbolized a The Greatest God. On the southern hemisphere, The Underworld, the other half crescent  Milky Way figure, is symbolized as the The Greatest Goddess because "she" is connected to the Milky Way centre in the star constellation of Sagittarius, where the physical formation of everything in our galaxy takes place.

- Being connected to the Milky Way, these two major (giants) figures also are connected to the Story of Creation, making these deities very important creator deities. Both figures can be observed seeemingly to revolve around the celestial poles on the night sky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_%28mythology%29

- In the Velikovski terminology, especially Saturn; Mars and Venus builds up the catastrophic ideas, but originally these names are only connected to the Milky Way mythology and it is very odd that both the attributes and qualities of these ancient superior Milky Way creator deities can be connected to the somewhat inferior forces of planets compared to the forces and creative powers of the Milky Way

- The ancient Saturn is originally the northern Milky Way figure revolving around the north celestial pole - and Venus is originally the southern Milky Way figure. Planet Mars comes into the picture via the term of "Warrior God" symbolizing either the northern Milky Way figure or a star constellation imagined as a man with some kind of weapon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities#Celestial.2C_Cosmological

- When studying the ancient symbols, one has of course to incorporate the Milky Way Mythology(Cosmology/Deities and their attributes and qualities. If Velikovski and followers have done this, the correct Saturn deity would be observed as a concrete revolving white figure around the northern celestial pole - excluding the false idea of planet Saturn once was observable very close to the Earth. And the very same goes for Venus, the Milky Way deity revloving around the celestial pole on the southern hemisphere.

Conclusion: Confusing the Milky Way deities for planetary deities, the ideas of Velikovski and his followers cannot be described as genuine Astronomy or Mythology - giving supreme mythological and cosmological forces to planets can only be described as Astrology in the worst terminology.

Other links:
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.Mytology.Keys.htm

Kindest
Ivar Nielsen
Natural Philosopher

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With regards to the GKS idea of lots of dust in our solar system there is an article in New Scientists on 6.8.11 on page 12 about Dusty Ice Ages

SIS quote/review below from the SIS workshop 2011:2

Ice cores from Antarctica going back 800,000 years indicate that there was much dust in the air during recent 'ice ages'; now marine sediment cores going back 4 million years back up the idea that there were high dust levels during periods of deep glaciation.

That a dust layer could cause cooling is self evident but some scientists consider that such cooling was re inforced by the dust falling into the oceans and seeding them with iron; this would cause plankton blooms and the plankton would absorb carbon dioxide from the sea, which would then absorb more from the atmosphere ... and a lowered carbon dioxide would, of course, according to greenhouse theory, lead to lower temperatures!

Dust used to be thought of as a result of the drying effects of an 'ice age' and a carbon dioxide factor that always seems to be ignored is that it is more soluble in cold water, therefore if dust causes cooling by cutting out heat from the Sun, then the oceans would naturally absorb more of the gas, reducing the amount in the atmosphere as an after effect, not a cause of cooling.

The big question is always, what caused the dust?

[Native]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor

“Hathor, along with the goddess Nut, was associated with the Milky Way during the third millennium B.C. when, during the fall and spring equinoxes, it aligned over and touched the earth where the sun rose and fell. The four legs of the celestial cow represented Nut or Hathor could, in one account, be seen as the pillars on which the sky was supported with the stars on their bellies constituting the Milky Way . . . “

From http://www.gks.uk.com/hathor-isis-egyptian/

"A prime example of a deity that once held true physical presence but has since dissipated is the mothering goddess Hathor (Fig 1 above). I identify this bovine goddess as the name given to a gigantic cosmic ring of ‘milky’ debris that once orbited around earth’s equatorial regions".

"An analogy would be Saturn’s rings only much thicker and denser".

"In order to corroborate this ground-breaking identification it is necessary to first briefly explain how earth gained a gigantic ring(s) and then follow with how the Egyptians deified this in the form of the nurturing goddess Hathor. It will be shown that Hathor’s images, attributes and epithets are completely consistent with a giant cosmic hazy band of debris arching across the heavens. Further, by invoking the God King Scenario it will become apparent why and how Hathor, as Earth’s hazy ring, played such prominent role in the lives of the celestial god kings".

"This, in turn, providing further corollary support for the GKS".

AD: Hathors "milky debris" is without no doubt the white/grey band of the Milky Way that can be observed on a clear nigth all around the Earth.

- As mentioned above, it is very fine to compare myths with concrete cosmological knowledge in order to make the case. But in this case, it is pure manipulation not to take the Hathor Milky Way informations for granted and ignore and distort the facts.

The Hathor Milky Way "milky debris" cannot of course be taken as support for anything else that just the Milky Way. This is just bad science!

BTW: The so called "Red Sun Disc" in Egyptian myths represents not the Sun but the supreme light of the Milky Way centre. Look at photo number 2 with matching color here: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/12/hubble_space_telescope_advent_1.html

Link to further distorted "catastrophism ideas": http://www.saturn-myth-delusion.net/

NB: Gary invites all to challenge his theories - but his mail-form doesn´t accept a reply.

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Hi Native, as you can tell i have not been about and I dont think Gary has been on the site for a while. I will forward your post to him so he can have a look and get back to you on it

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Venus is slowing down. According to measurements of Venus's rotation by the Venus Express spacecraft Venus rotation is slower than previously measured 20-30 years ago by NASA’s Magellan orbiter.

The ESA suggest that Venus spins slower than previously measured but it is more likely to not be a measurement issue but the continued de acceleration of this very new planet in our solar system.

The slowing down of Venus rotation is not by a few fractions of a second but has been measured at over 6 MINUTES slower than in the 1990's!

Peering through the dense atmosphere in the infrared, the orbiter found surface features were not quite where they should be.
 

Using the VIRTIS instrument at infrared wavelengths to penetrate the thick cloud cover, scientists studied surface features and discovered that some were displaced by up to 20 km from where they should be given the accepted rotation rate as measured by NASA’s Magellan orbiter in the early 1990s.

Electric Universe theory, the basis for the God King Scenario, suggests that Venus is a new born planet or new to the solar system depending on your view.

Before scientists had sent space probes or measured Venus stuff Immanuel Velikovsky had predicted what we would find there. Totally against what scientists had suggested or could know at that time. Showing that his theories were logically, that it is an Electric Universe.



Venus slowing down would be further proof of an Electric Universe and validation of Immanuel Velikovsky.

So if Venus slows down even further over the next decades or couple of 100s then scientists would have massive problems explaining it whereas the Electric Universe theory followers would not.

“When the two maps did not align, I first thought there was a mistake in my calculations as Magellan measured the value very accurately, but we have checked every possible error we could think of,” said Nils Müller, a planetary scientist at the DLR German Aerospace Centre, lead author of a research paper investigating the rotation.

Also, more and more of the planets atmosphere will be removed as the planet cools down and becomes more like other rocky planets in our solar system. This again will happen relatively very quickly.