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fossils, instant fossilisation and the Electric Universe
« on: November 23, 2009, 18:33:45 »
Are fossils not created over long periods of time but instantly?

So many fossils are preserved perfectly, no damage and the animal, insect, plant looking as though it was in the middle of something and frozen in time. Even amber, supposedly slow dripping from trees, captures insects on the move with no sign of struggle.

Although fossilisation is a real puzzle amber is the strangest of all. Is it tree sap as it seems to be a basic material when you look at its chemical composition. If it is tree sap was it formed around the objects like gemstones, it is a point of resistance or where the material appeared around.

Another interesting thing about fossils is that there are 2 types, one is where the the original object has been completely replaced by minerals and the other is the actual orginal object itself is still there but surrounded by minerals (normally rock). You can get both types in the same location (Ghar Dalam in Malta for example). You can also have the same object half of each type...

The thunderbolts forum has this detailed study into Mummified Dinosaurs / electric fossilization...?
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Fossil layers
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 18:42:20 »
Fossils can be found in distinct layers as well as in total and under "conglomerate" type heaps of smashed together fossils.

Fossils found in different colours of the "blue clay" can be seen on the islands of Malta and Gozo.

The quote below shows a special type of layer but also that most of these massive animals were preserved undamaged (they would have had to be there for a while before they got covered over you would guess) or they were fossilised instantly.

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The new find follows up on fieldwork on Spitsbergen in 2004, when University of Oslo researchers excavated parts of the skulls of an ichthyosaur and two plesiosaurs. The fossils from both digs were found in a layer of black shale—a type of sedimentary rock—that is between 65 to 100 feet (20 to 30 meters) thick. "There's something special about the chemistry of the shale which has preserved all the bones in this layer," Hurum said.

According to Hurum, when the reptiles died they probably sank to the ocean floor, where conditions were right for preserving their bodies. "It's deep water and black mud that they fell into. There were no animals living close to the bottom that could eat these big things that were decaying," he said. "One specimen was probably scavenged before it fell to the bottom, but the others look quite complete, and that's amazing," Hurum said.
Giant dinosaur-era Sea Monster found on an Arctic Island







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proof that fossilisation is instant?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 06:51:11 »

3000 dinosaur footprints and all facing the same way?

Looking at something or all running away? Running not from another animal but the catastrophe that was affecting the earth to instantly turn their footprints to rock? 100 million years old (survived all that time) or perhaps only 5-10k years old? What age rage considering the quality and the fact they are still there makes more logical sense?

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China dinosaur footprints found in Zhucheng

Scientists in China say they have discovered more than 3,000 dinosaur footprints, all facing the same way.

The footprints - thought to belong to at least six dinosaur types - were found in eastern Shandong province, state news agency Xinhua reports.

Experts believe the prints are more than 100 million years old and say they could represent a migration or a panicked attempt to escape predators.

Dinosaur fossils have been found at about 30 sites in the Zhucheng area.

As a result, Zhucheng City has become known locally as "dinosaur city".

The footprints were uncovered on a 2,600 sq m (0.64 acre) rock slope in a gully following three months of excavation work, Xinhua reported.

The find is unusual because of the quantity and size of footprints uncovered, scientists said.

The footprints, which range from 10cm (3.9in) to 80cm in length, belong to dinosaur types including tyrannosaurs, coelurosaurs and hadrosaurs, Xinhua said.

China dinosaur footprints found in Zhucheng


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How can a spider be fossilized  then 165 million years later we can still see its hairs?



Plectreuridae spider (Eoplectreurys gertschi) fossilized in Northern China


Spiders are soft material animals so are very hard to be fossilized. Yet in China they have found the fossilised body of a 165 million year old spider, Eoplectreurys gertschi, that is so well preserved you can see its individual hairs. What this means is that the spider was buried, died, covered over with more layers, earth has moved, earthquakes etc for 165 million years yet it looks like it was buried recently.



fossilized spiders with individual hairs of the Eoplectreurys gertschi in Daohugou China 165 million years ago or recenlty and instantly?

Was this spider fossilized 165 million years ago or was it very recent? Why does it not look like it is struggling in a death throw? Was it fossilized instantly along with everything else found around it?

"Looking at modern ones, you think, well, it’s just a dead ringer." Why does it look like the ones we have today? After 165 million years of evolution?


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Stunningly Preserved 165-Million-Year-Old Spider Fossil Found

Scientists have unearthed an almost perfectly preserved spider fossil in China dating back to the middle Jurassic era, 165 million years ago. The fossilized spiders, Eoplectreurys gertschi, are older than the only two other specimens known by around 120 million years.

The level of detail preserved in the fossils is amazing, said paleontologist Paul Selden of the University of Kansas and lead author of the study appearing Feb. 6 in Naturwissenschaften. “You go in with a microscope, and bingo! It’s fantastic.”

The fossils were found at a site called Daohugou in Northern China that is filled with fossilized salamanders, small primitive mammals, insects and water crustaceans. During the Jurassic era, the fossil bed was part of a lake in a volcanic region, Selden said.

Spider fossils from this period are rare, because the arachnids’ soft bodies don’t preserve well. The pristine fossil pictured in these photos was probably created when the spider was trapped in volcanic ash. The ultrafine clay particles squashed the spider without breaking up the animals’ delicate cuticle as more coarse sediment would, Selden said.

E. gertschi shows all the features of the modern members of the family, found in North America, suggesting it has evolved very little since the Jurassic period, Selden said. “The scimitar-shaped structure you notice out of the male is so distinctive,” he said. “Looking at modern ones, you think, well, it’s just a dead ringer.”

The findings also suggest this family of spiders, the Plectreuridae, was once much more widespread than it is today. Currently, the family has only been found living in California, Arizona, Mexico and Cuba. Yet 165 million years ago, they lived on a small continent called the North China Block.

“At some point something caused their range to contract to this part of southern North America,” Selden said. He speculates that changes in vegetation during an ice age or other climactic event wiped them out in other areas, “but they were still happy in these arid areas of the Southwest.”

Citation: “The oldest haplogyne spider (Araneae: Plectreuridae), from the Middle Jurassic of China” Paul A. Selden and Diying Huang, Naturwissenschaften, 6 Feb. 2010.
Stunningly Preserved 165-Million-Year-Old Spider Fossil Found | wired.com



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evidence and proof that fossilization is instant
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 22:15:55 »

evidence and proof that fossilization is instant

They have found pairs of mating turtles and yet will not believe that fossilization is an instant event. Perhaps caused by Electric Universe catastrophes that have struck the earth on many occasions in our past?

So BOTH the mating turtles were slowly poisoned while sinking through water and BOTH did not struggle at all and remained in the same position?

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we report from the Eocene Messel Pit Fossil Site between Darmstadt and Frankfurt, Germany numerous pairs of the fossil carettochelyid turtle Allaeochelys crassesculpta that represent for the first time among fossil vertebrates couples that perished during copulation. Females of this taxon can be distinguished from males by their relatively shorter tails and development of plastral kinesis. The preservation of mating pairs has important taphonomic implications for the Messel Pit Fossil Site, as it is unlikely that the turtles would mate in poisonous surface waters. Instead, the turtles initiated copulation in habitable surface waters, but perished when their skin absorbed poisons while sinking during into toxic layers. The mating pairs from Messel are therefore more consistent with a stratified, volcanic maar lake with inhabitable surface waters and a deadly abyss.
Caught in the act: the first record of copulating fossil vertebrates | royalsocietypublishing.org



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They were found as male-female pairs. In two cases, the males even had their tails tucked under their partners' as would be expected from the coital position.

Details are carried in the Royal Society journal Biology Letters.

Researchers think the turtles had initiated sex in the surface waters of the lake that once existed on the site, and were then overcome as they sank through deeper layers made toxic by the release of volcanic gases.

The animals, still in embrace, were then buried in the lakebed sediments and locked away in geological time.

"We see this in some volcanic lakes in East African today," explained Dr Walter Joyce of the University of Tübingen.

"Every few hundred years, these lakes can have a sudden outburst of carbon dioxide, like the opening of a champagne bottle, and it will poison everything around them."

Nine pairs of turtles have been unearthed at the site over the past 30 years.

In most of the couples, the individuals were discovered in contact with each other. For the pairs that were not, the individuals were no more than 30cm apart.
Turtles fossilised in sex embrace | bbc.co.uk

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Coprolites - Fossilised Dinosaur Dung
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2012, 17:03:58 »

Coprolites - Fossilised Dinosaur Dung


Coprolites Fossil Dung

Coprolites are fossiled dung, Fossil Faeces and as one of the jokes goes - Coprolite Happens! But how did it happen? How can so much Dinosaur and other dung get fossilised and mostly inside the animals?


Coprolite Happens

One explanation that would fit reality is if Coprolites were fossilised instantly along with the rest of the animal.

The info below is taken from The Discovery of Coprolites (Fossil Dung) in the 19th Century | suite101.com


trace fossils - kopros lithos - ichnofossils (Coprolites)


English Cleric and Geologist William Buckland First Described These Trace Fossils in 1829

Fossils may be divided into two basic types, body fossils and trace fossils. Body fossils represent remains that were once actual organic body parts of a creature, such as bones and teeth. Trace fossils, on the other hand, also known as ichnofossils (from the Greek word “ikhnos”, meaning "track" or "trace"), represent evidence of an organism’s activity. Examples include trackways, burrows and borings.

Another variety of trace fossil – coprolites – represents fossilized dung. They are typically contorted or nodular and can indicate features such as the parent creature’s diet. The true nature of coprolites weren’t realized until the late 1820s.


Mary Anning’s Fossil Depot (Coprolites)

Mary Anning Discovers Supposed Bezoar Stones in English Fossil Deposits

Mary Anning was an English fossil collector who made several important paleontological discoveries, such as the first plesiosaur skeletons and first correctly identified ichthyosaur skeleton. Living from 1799 to 1847, she spent her life collecting and selling fossils (at her shop, Anning’s Fossil Depot) near her home in Lyme Regis, a coastal town in West Dorset, England. She is believed to be the inspiration for Terry Sullivan’s 1908 tongue twister, “She Sells Seashells." It reads as follows: "She sells sea-shells on the sea-shore. / The shells she sells are sea-shells, I'm sure. / For if she sells sea-shells on the sea-shore / Then I'm sure she sells sea-shore shells."

By the late 1820s, Anning had established herself as a noteworthy fossil collector and knowledgeable paleontologist. In her diggings at Lyme Regis, she found numerous stony, potato-shaped objects, typically ranging in size from two to four inches long and half as wide.

Locals called these objects “bezoar stones” because they resembled the gallstones common in bezoar goats, ancestors to the domestic goat. At one time, bezoar stones were believed to have important medicinal values as poison antidotes. At Lyme Regis, Anning often found them in the abdominal regions of ichthyosaur skeletons. Furthermore, upon breaking open many of them, she found that they often contained bone fragments from such creatures as ichthyosaurs and fish.


William Buckland Fossil Faeces (Coprolites)

William Buckland Names and Describes Coprolites

By the 1920s, English minister and geologist William Buckland had established himself as a leading authority on paleontology. For instance, he was the first person to scientifically describe a dinosaur, introducing Megalosaurus in 1824.

Like Anning, Buckland had also found objects resembling bezoar stones in fossil deposits. He visited with Anning and the two compared their fossils. Based on the content of the coprolites, plus their common proximity to the abdominal regions of skeletons, Buckland realized the true nature of the objects.

At a February 6, 1829 meeting of the Geological Society of London, Buckland described them and introduced the term coprolites (from the Greek words “kopros”, meaning "dung," and “lithos”, meaning "stone"). He then went on to describe coprolites found at other fossil localities around England and in several cases attributed them to specific animal types.

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Fossil animals in amber and instant fossilisation
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2016, 06:19:50 »
Animals in amber and instant fossilisation

Are the amazing intact remains of animals such as lizards an example or variation of instant fossilisation?



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The ancient reptiles are preserved in "superb detail" down to scales of skin, the tip of a tongue and tiny claws.

... "They provide details of external morphology, which is something that is pretty rare to find," said Juan Diego Daza, of Sam Houston State University in Texas, who led the research.

"These fossils represent most of the diversity of lizards with a superb amount of detail."
Image copyright Daza et al/Sci Adv
Image caption ...And a whole animal.

Soft tissues and internal organs - as well as bones - can persist in amber for millions of years.

"We can pretty much see how the animals looked when they were alive," explained Prof Daza.
Amber-trapped lizard fossils reveal 'lost world' | BBC



How are these animals, plants, insects captured in such a quick instant that they do not seem to damage themselves in the slightest bit by struggling for their life?



Is the amber formed around the flora and fauna because they are a life form? Some form of electromagnetic attraction or resistance? Is the amber some form of plasma or a plasmoid or created around these instantly fossilised creatures like a plasmoid?
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