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: Volcanoes - energy exchangers and eruption/earthquake triggers
: electrobleme August 06, 2009, 06:32:29

Do Volcanoes exchange energy instead of just releasing it?

Volcanoes around the world produce a lot of material including ash, water, pumice, molten lava etc. Do they actually exchange or transform energy and not just a release valve?  Can volcanoes trigger earthquakes and other environmental effects that do not seem related to them?

If they are an energy exchange is the molten lava produced near the surface and not deep down, like an electric furnace. Where would the energy come from? Would it come from Birkeland Currents pinching at this point on the surface or is it to do with the massive Telluric Currents that flow underground across continents and the oceans?

: Re: Volcanoes - energy exchangers and eruption/earthquake triggers
: electrobleme September 08, 2009, 04:06:14

Volcanoe energy Transformers but where is the power supply?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/volcanoes-mediterranean-sea-satellite-map-includeslinosa-forum.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/thumbs/lrg-1207-volcanoes-mediterranean-sea-satellite-map-includeslinosa.jpg)
more photographs of Volcanoes (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=album&id=122) (not just around the Mediterranean Sea). Nothing like an Atomic explosion.

Does a Volcanoes activity have further affects than we think? Is the energy used, exchanged and changed over a much larger area than is suspected?

Malta has a number of Volcanoes around it, notice how they appear of the west coast of Italy and not on its east coast. If things are scalable in an electrical universe and the islands, countries and continents are part of an electrical circuit (themselves components) then is Italy like a power transformer/plug into the sea? Is it similar to the Electrical Treeing of Poppie (http://www.geulogy.com/introdis-electricaltree-poppie.html) but on a larger scale?

Some recorded earthquates which have in the past affected the Maltese Islands were accompanied by volcanic eruptions. In January 1692, an earthquake felt in Sicily and Malta was accompanied by the eruption of Mt. Etna. A previously quiescent Mt. Etna let off huge volumes of smoke during the widespread earthquake of October 1856 On September 1911, a locally felt earthquake appeared to have an epicenter in the region of Graham volcano or Pantelleria. Another earthquake with possible volcanic eruption occurred in January 1923. This earthquake was accompanied by a rumbling noise coming from a northerly direction. Flashes of "lightning" were noticed on the sea. The cause was attributed to a disturbance between Malta and the Ionian Islands. Volcanic quakes are normally due to the sudden release of steam or other volcanic gases under pressure and accompany volcanic eruptions. Their origin may lie at considerable depths under the sea and are then termed crypto-volcanic. The above recorded quakes could possibly have been volcanic in origin. However the volcanoes in question are situated a fair distance from the Maltese Islands, and it is very unlikely that their effects would be felt locally. It is more probable that the earthquakes were tectonic in origin, and the volcanic eruptions were the result of the widespread earthquakes in the region.
Earthquakes and Volcanoes around Malta (http://www.shadowservices.com/nature/Maltese/Geomorph/tectonic.htm)

Flashes of "lightning" were noticed on the sea.
Not above the sea but on the sea or coming from the sea. No mention of storm clouds etc. The electrical activity around and in Volcanoes is now starting to get well documented. The stunning photographs of the Chili Volcano for example.

If Volcanoes are an electrical exchange or transformer (they produce Dusty Plasma in ash, water, magma, lightning...) then would a quick discharge or conversion of a lot of energy produce other results? Like a reduction in air pressure that could result in Tidal Waves, or the smaller Seiches and Meteotsunamis or the  the Malta mini Tsunamis known as il-milghuba (play of the sea?

It would therefore appear that earthquakes felt in the Maltese Islands owe their origin to Global Tectonics. Earthquakes in the immediate region of the Maltese arcipelago are rare, and rarer still are earthquakes of sufficient magnitude to cause extensive damage. This is very surprising since the Mediterranean region is an active area due to the young age of the surrounding mountain ranges in one of the earth's oldest synclinal depressions.

Though earthquakes may be a rare occurence in the Maltese archipelago, the disturbances arising from them may occur more frequently than originally thought. One such disturbance is a change in sea-level. In the destructive earthquake of 1692, the sea at Xlendi (Gozo) is supposed to have receeded a whole mile and then rushed back again causing further damage. A sudden recession of water on the shoreline, followed by a giant wave indicates a "tsunani", resulting from an earthquake with a magnitude of at least 6.5 on the Richter's scale. A tsunani may occur without the obvious accompanment of a tremor, and may not be identified with a tectonic origin.

Such an occurrance took place on the night of July 9, 1973. Fishermen and residents in the Salina Bay area (Malta) reported a marine disturbance, which old fishermen called "il-milghuba", and which was alleged to have occurred a few years previously. At about 3 am, the sea level went down by couple of feet. A short while later, the sea rose a couple of feet above the normal level, before settling down to its original level. Some boats, especially those anchored in shallow water, were seen resting on the seabed. When the sea rose again, a "rumbling noise" was heard by several people in the area, and the resulting wave covered up normally dry land up to 400 feet inshore.

Mt. Etna in Sicily was reported to be very active a few days before.
Maltese Earthquakes and il-milghuba (http://www.shadowservices.com/nature/Maltese/Geomorph/tectonic.htm)

If Volcanoes have nothing to do with the Electric Universe and are just an explosion deep from under the ground then they will look nothing like an Atomic Bomb explosion.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/energylayers-earthsatmosphere-dischargeplasmalayers-advert.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/thumbs/lrg-1116-energylayers-earthsatmosphere-dischargeplasmalayers.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/volcanoes-atomicexplosions-lenticular-cloud-forum.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1139)

Sarychev Peak Volcano eruption - Plasma Discharge? (http://everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=71.0)

: Volcanoes get electric power from currents flowing in the earths mantle
: electrobleme September 08, 2009, 05:23:35
The earths mantle (asthenosphere) is electrically conductive, likley due to molten carbonates

Researchers ...have explained that the high conductivity of the Earth’s upper mantle is due to molten carbonates. They demonstrated the very high conductivity of this form of carbon...their work has revealed the high carbon content of the interior of the upper mantle. This composition can be directly linked to the quantity of carbon dioxide produced by 80% of volcanoes...Geologists have long claimed that significant amounts of carbon have been present in the Earth’s mantle for thousands of years. Up until now, there was very little direct proof of this hypothesis, and samples from the surface of the mantle contained only very small quantities of carbon. Also, for the last thirty years, scientists have been unable to explain the conductivity of the mantle, which is crossed by natural electrical currents at depths of 70 to 350 km, even though olivine, one of the main mineral components of the upper mantle, is completely isolating.
Electrical Volcanoes - carbonatites and mid ocean ridges (http://everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=108.msg207#msg207)

Why is the earths mantle electrically conductive unless it needs to be? The atmosphere and planet is immensely electromagnetic for a reason.

Also, for the last thirty years, scientists have been unable to explain the conductivity of the mantle, which is crossed by natural electrical currents at depths of 70 to 350 km, even though olivine, one of the main mineral components of the upper mantle, is completely isolating

Worth quoting again because its so important. Effective Cause. These currents that are 1000s of miles long are called Telluric Currents and flow through the earth and are very likely to help power it.  They are not a by-product they are the reason that parts of the earth are conductive. The earth seems to be set up as a brilliant electrical circuit.

Volcanoes are electrical power transformers or exchange points. The molten lava is created very close to them, it is very unlikely to well up deep from the earth.  Volcanoes have been seen to exchange lightning, have immense lightning storms and will be found to be highly electric in various forms.

To explain these phenomena, researchers...looked into liquid carbonates, one of the most stable forms of carbon within the mantle, along with graphite and diamond. The Masai volcano is Tanzania is the only place in the world where these carbonates can be observed. Elsewhere, the carbonates are dissolved in basalts and emitted into the atmosphere in gaseous form, as CO2.

...the researchers established the high conductivity of molten carbonates. Their conductivity is 1000 times higher than that of basalt, which was previously thought to be the only potential conductor in the mantle. Fabrice Gaillard and his team have shown that the conductivity of the Earth’s mantle is a result of the presence of small amounts of molten carbonates between chunks of solid rock.

This work shows that the electrical characteristics of the asthenosphere, the conductive part of the upper mantle, are directly connected to the amount of carbonate in the layer. The work also points to varying carbon distribution according to the regions and depth of the mantle...
Electrical Volcanoes - carbonatites and mid ocean ridges (http://everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=108.msg207#msg207)

Then the scientists do what they do best. Altough the research and evidence above is completely different to what has been predicted by the standard models, although they will admit they know little about what is going on they still will not review the basics they have, although they seem to be very different to what they find. They start with plate tectonics, the information above was not factored into the theory. Although the old theory will be wrong it will now be modified like Newtonian Physics and the new version of the old wrong idea will now be accepted and quoted fact.

How do you think diamonds are formed? They are found on the surface or just below it, even if that means on tops of mountains it is still just below the rock surface. Maybe they are formed where they are found?

The presence of molten carbonates in the asthenosphere certainly has major implications on the viscosity of this region of the mantle, which participates in the sliding of tectonic plates, a phenomenon we know little about. The behavior of liquid carbonates in solids and potential effects on viscosity remain to be studied. Everything seems to indicate that the asthenosphere contains only oxidated forms of carbon (carbonates), and not carbon in its reduced solid form (diamond).

Diamond formation remains mysterious, but researchers are guessing that diamonds form from liquid carbonates at the base of the lithosphere, below the asthenosphere. Enfin, the electrical measurements of the team on liquid carbonates are of interest to the field of clean energy production, as they can be used as electrolytes in high temperature batteries (eg. lithium carbonate).
Electrical Volcanoes - carbonatites and mid ocean ridges (http://everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=108.msg207#msg207)

Electrical (Telluric) currents, high conductivity mantle/rocks, liquid carbonates studied for high temperature batteries... could it be an Electrical Earth in an Electric Universe?

: Why on earth is the asthenosphere layer electrically conductive?
: electrobleme September 08, 2009, 19:32:41
The earths asthenosphere layer in the upper mantle is electrically conductive. Why?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/asthenosphere-earths-upper-mantle-electrically-conductive-banner.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1248)

The layers of the earth now called the lithosphere, asthenosphere and centrosphere (center of the earth) that prop up the planets surface were invented to prop up modified geological ideas. Joseph Barrell, Professor of Geology at Yale University, invented or made popular these terms.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/joseph-barrell-asthenosphere-lithosphere-centrosphere-forum.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1250)

We can not visit or drill down to these levels yet and have no direct phsysical evidence of the rock types in the asthenosphere and other layers. One of the ways to investigate the layers is to use seismic waves. The s-wave type is associated with the asthenosphere because it slows down when travelling through a distinct layer. Once the s-waves have passed through the asthenosphere region it increases velocity.

The physical rock/mineral structure, the rock/mineral types themselves (or whatever is down there) is described to fit in with what we know at the moment. It will change and keep changing.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/asthenosphere-lithosphere-centrosphere-schematic-jbarrell-1914-forum.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/thumbs/lrg-1249-asthenosphere-lithosphere-centrosphere-schematic-jbarrell-1914.jpg)

Why is the asthenosphere layer electrically conductive?  Why on earth does the asthenosphere layer need to conduct electricity?  The reason is not because of billions of years, internal heat etc its because the electrical asthenosphere is needed to help with the electric earth and its circuit. Nothing to do with Tectonic Plates, subduction. More and more evidence will be found that not just this layer but other geological processes conduct electricity or are part of the Earths Global Electrical Circuit. But the asthenosphere is starting to look special. So what is the asthenosphere?