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Everything and anything => Myth, Legends, Beliefs - old and modern => : electrobleme May 19, 2010, 18:38:01

: ancient civilisations - all in contact with each other?
: electrobleme May 19, 2010, 18:38:01
ancient civilisations - all in contact with each other?

were all the ancient civilisations all in contact with each other sharing knowledge and skills? was it just the europeans or did we have contact with the other cultures around the earth?

at the same times around the world there seems to be similar buildings and beliefs. from pyramids to other building techniques

in europe i see no problem with the whole of europe being in contact with each other, it would be silly to think that was not the case. as long as you see the evidence that is gather daily and understand how old humans are. as long as we have been on this earth for a long time then the "spread" of knowledge has no issue.

it would be the lack of common ideas/knowldge that would show we are not that old

the pyramid buildings ire the classic example but there are others, are the round towers of ireland one of these?

below are 2 examples of strange buildings that are worlds apart. the round towers of ireland and one of the Cheomseongdae in korea. if they dont look similar then maybe the answer is at the bottom of the page.

the round towers of ireland

round towers of ireland (Kilmacduagh)

the round towers of ireland are very distinct old buildings, very tall and narrow rounded towers built to a specific design. most have few windows and all have the doorway above ground height, some over 4 meters from the ground. all were found with soil/earth in their base, filling the lower part.

 the official puzzled explanation is that they were watch towers or bolt holes or .... not really sure. as it makes no sense to have a raised entrance and fill them with soil. why not just build them a bit wider if it was to help with the buildings stability? they were designed with a very distinct purpose but what was it?

"It is remarkable how little the main dimensions vary. In the great majority of towers the circumference at the base lies between 14 meters and 17 meters and the thickness of the wall at the lowest point at which it can be measured varies from 0.9 meters to 1.4 meters. Doorways, windows, storey heights and diameters also follow clearly defined patterns, and we may well conclude that most of the towers were the work of teams of builders who moved from one monastery to another using standard designs." Barrow goes on to say that: "Most doorways are raised 1.5 meters to 4.5 meters above the ground....but it is possible that the stability of the tower had as much to do with the door heights. The higher you could build before making an opening in the wall the stronger the base would be. Very often the towers were filled in, even as high as the doorways."
The Round Towers of Ireland | sacredsites.com (http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/ireland/tower_of_cashel.html)

why do irelands round towers have raised doorways/entrances?

another alternative explanation is that they were energy buildings with the different levels of soil in them used to tune each building. the irish round towers being built on a grid, you would suspect something to do with Ley Lines

The principles used in construction of the towers is always the same: two walls of block and mortar construction are built a few feet from one another and the space between is filled in with a core of rock rubble.
The Round Towers of Ireland | sacredsites.com (http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/ireland/tower_of_cashel.html)

this would help it act as a natural "electrical component"

were irelands round towers energy buildings/components?

the very good article on the Round Towers of Ireland (http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/ireland/tower_of_cashel.html) quoted in this post mentions ideas on what and how the energy was created/used. the idea that it was used by monks or for religous purposes should not be a surprise or even a shock. after all churches are created with a specific energy - peace, contemplation, religous energy. you dont find many churches designed to be very noisy. most of the old churches were built on the old religions sacred sites, energy spots.

the mystery of irelands round towers and the doorway entrance

if cultures around europe and the world were in contact with each other there might be other examples of these. of course they may have existed but been destroyed in the years since. they would all vary depending on local building techniques/ideas and developments but they should have similar traits.

Cheomseongdae (Chomsongdae) - Korea

Silla's Chomsongdae in korea - astronomy or power building?

Cheomseongdae (Chomsongdae) in Korea is a strange round tower. it has its doorway halfway up the building and its bottom half is filled with soil. that is similar  to irelands round towers although Chomsongdae is much shorter and fatter.  the official version is that it is an astronomy tower.

Cheomseongdae (Chomsongdae) tower entrance by ladder

when you read the "wiki" facts that are copied by everyone there seems little doubt as to what Cheomseongdae was built and used for. any doubt is quickly rebutted.  if you find other detailed articles on Chomsongdae (http://www.ekoreajournal.net/upload/html/HTML41412.html) they certainly have facts and historical mentions of it that cast doubt on the official accepted version.

The Cheomseongdae is the oldest surviving observatory in East Asia, though some claim that Cheomseongdae was not suitable for astronomical observation. Others posit that it was used for astrology rather than astronomy, though during that era there was little differentiation between the two.
Cheomseongdae | wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheomseongdae)

Cheomseongdae (Chomsongdae) with soil/earth inside
similar to the irish round towers

An opening is constructed half way up the structure. The astromomer is thought to have gained entry into the tower through the opening by climbing a ladder. Today, dirt fills the tower to the opening level. Archeologists believe that the star gazer reached the top of the structer by way of another ladder inside.
Cheomseongdae | newworldencyclopedia.org (http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Cheomseongdae)

Korean historical records mention at least three astronomical observatories with the name "Cheomseongdae." The first was located in Pyeongyang, then the capital of the Goguryeo kingdom. According to the Sejong sillok (Annals of King Sejong): "Next to a lotus pond, there is a cheomseongdae (observatory)." Unfortunately, the structure no longer remains. The second is Silla's Cheomseongdae, which is the subject of this article. The last is Goryeo's cheomseongdae which survived even the Korean War. It is well preserved and still stands at the outskirts of Gaeseong, North Korea....

Cheomseongdae also has interesting features on the inside. First, the main body is completely filled with dirt up to the 12th layer, where the square entrance begins. No one has yet tried digging this out. Above the 12th layer, the main body is hollow. The stones on the inside of the body differ in size, making the surface uneven. Therefore, with a little caution, it is possible to use these stones to climb up to the top. At the 26th layer, there is a flat slab covering the eastern half of the space inside the body. The slab is slightly thinner than the stones of the 27th layer.
Silla's Cheomseongdae | ekoreajournal.net (http://www.ekoreajournal.net/upload/html/HTML41412.html)

Cheomseongdae korea - ancient observatory or energy building

There is a square opening facing due south between the 13th and 15th layers of the granite stones. The hole is the old entrance, and it points south.
Chomsongdae Observatory in Kyongju | cmnielsen.dk (http://www.cmnielsen.dk/showpicture.asp?menuid=5&countryid=17&page=2&id=190)

Cheomseongdae and irelands round towers - variations on a theme?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/irelands-round-towers-similar-Cheomseongdae-korea.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/astronomy-observatory-centers-ancient-Cheomseongdae.jpg)
variation on a theme - irelands round tower and Cheomseongdae

was Cheomseongdae a variation of the irish round towers? does it show common knowledge spread throughout the world? does it show we, as a "civilised" people are much older than the official people want us to believe.

are there other variations or versions around there world?

although Cheomseongdae and the irish round towers do not look alike what happens if they were designed differently. either because korea has earthquakes, it was designed for a different frequency/effect/energy or the knowledge had advanced by the time the other one was built. was only the bottom section needed or used in korea or is the irish version a more powerful/complete design?

the images above show the irish round tower scaled down

Callahan discusses research which indicates that the round towers may have been designed, constructed and utilized as huge resonant systems for collecting and storing meter-long wavelengths of magnetic and electromagnetic energy coming from the earth and skies. Based on fascinating studies of the forms of insect antenna and their capacity to resonate to micrometer-long electromagnetic waves, Professor Callahan suggests that the Irish round towers (and similarly shaped religious structures throughout the ancient world) were human-made antenna which collected subtle magnetic radiation from the sun and passed it on to monks meditating in the tower and plants growing around the tower's base.

"At every tower we measured there was a direct correlation between tower door height and the strongest waves.....That the highly amplified waves occur in the meditative and electrical anesthesia portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is of utmost significance. In 1963, G. Walter researched brain EEG waves from 0.5 to 3 Hz (Delta region) and found anti-infectious effects."
The Round Towers of Ireland | sacredsites.com (http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/ireland/tower_of_cashel.html)

: Chomsongdae at Anhak Palace discovered - special layers in construction
: electrobleme May 24, 2010, 22:34:27

another building belonging to a Chomsongdae (astronomical observatory) but this structure or part of it is underground and has layers of charcoal and lime. the report suggests these built with the layers to help with keep humidity at a constant temperate, to maintain instruments precision.

was it used for that purpose or could it have been used to help with natural energy? if it was used to maintain humidity then did other buildings in other cultures also use a similar process? what other natural layers would maintain humidity?

will they find any astronomical evidence?  it will be interesting to see the actual layout of the site to find out how how it all fitted together.

Site of Astronomical Observatory Newly Unearthed

Recently the site of an astronomical observatory (Chomsongdae in Korean) built in the period of Koguryo (Korea’s first feudal state that existed between 277 BC and AD 668) has been unearthed in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The ruins are found in a place about 250 metres west of the West Gate of the site of the Anhak Palace (a royal palace of Koguryo) in Taesong District, Pyongyang.

In and around this area a large number of tombs and relics of the past have already been dug up, including mural tombs of Koguryo.

The site of the astronomical observatory has been discovered in the land covering a space of about 380 square metres.

The ruins are composed of two main groups, that is, the central foundation whose plane is quadrilateral and the heptangular supplementary structure.

The four-cornered central foundation is 6.7 metres long, 7.5 metres wide and 1.35 metres deep.

It is laid in the square shape by making use of rubble stones and lime. The structure slightly bulges out in the middle, though it gradually becomes narrower, coming down from its upper part. Therefore, it is strong enough to bear hundreds of tons of weight.

What is unusual is the middle part (3.2 metres long and 3.2 metres wide) of the foundation. It is built with a mixture of stones and lime to a certain height and laid over it by turns are charcoal and lime.

Generally speaking, a building can hardly be put up on the ground covered with charcoal and charcoal plays the role of ensuring humidity on the inside of it to a certain degree.

Accordingly, the ruins are reckoned to be an astronomical observatory where an empty structure was erected on the central square foundation and installed within it were precision observatory instruments which are required to be insulated from the influence of changes in humidity.

Visible around the foundation is a heptangular supplementary structure. It is approximately 20.6 metres across and a side of it is about 9.1 metres in length.

At present there remain only one to three stylobates of the supplementary structure.

The ruins have full indications of an astronomical observatory used between the early days of the 5th century and the closing years of the 6th century and the structure above the ground is considered to be a granite building whose stylobate is square-shaped like that of the Chomsongdae Observatory built in Kyongju in the first half of the 7th century and whose body is cylindrical upward.
 (http://www.kcckp.net/en/periodic/todaykorea/index.php?contents+5541+2010-05+139+26Site of Astronomical Observatory Newly Unearthed | kcckp.net[/url)

Ancient Mural Tomb, Astronomical Observatory Discovered

Pyongyang, December 23 (KCNA) -- An archaeological team of Kim Il Sung University has discovered a mural tomb and a ruined chomsongdae (old astronomical observatory) belonging to the period of Koguryo in the construction site of Pyongyang Folk Park in the area of Mt. Taesong.

The former is on a hill west of the ruins of the Anhak Royal Palace at the foot of Mt. Taesong and the latter is about 250 meters west of the western gate of the palace.

The earthen tomb consists of a passage and a square stone chamber.

The chamber is 3.1 meters long from south to north and 3.05 meters long from east to west, and its remaining wall is 1.6 meters high. The passage leading to the chamber is 3.05 meters long and 1.35 meters wide.

The mural painting has faded away except for green lotus patterns, black water-drop patterns, etc.

Dug out there were an axe-blade-shaped iron arrowhead, an iron nail and fragments of a broken dark grey pot.

The chomsongdae has a quadrangular main facility surrounded by a heptangular subsidiary facility.

Its total acreage is about 380 square meters. Each line of the heptangular stone facility is 9.1-9.2 meters long and the heptagon is about 20.6 meters in diameter.

As for the quadrangular facility, the south-north length is 7.5 meters and east-west length is 6.7 meters at the upper part, while 7.2 meters and 6.7 meters at the lower part respectively.

The walls of the main facility have layers of charcoal, gravel and lime. The charcoal part is 10.24 square meters.

So far chomsongdaes built in different periods have been found in the Korean peninsula, but it is the first time that Koguryo's chomsongdae was discovered.

The above-said relics are of significance in confirming the historic position of Pyongyang as a cradle of the nation and hub of national culture and in intensifying research into the history of Koguryo.
Ancient Mural Tomb, Astronomical Observatory Discovered (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2009/200912/news23/20091223-11ee.html)