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Everything and anything => Myth, Legends, Beliefs - old and modern => : electrobleme May 08, 2010, 14:49:44

: god is an Electric Universe?
: electrobleme May 08, 2010, 14:49:44
god - one of the biggest, oldest and most important beliefs or myths depending on your views. can god exist in an electric universe, does the electric universe perhaps show more than mainstream science that there is a god, higher beings or intellligent creator? is it a god, gods, higher intelligent beings, higher life form, something else?

is the electric universe the god? working on positive/negative feedback loops? have we created god with our own thoughts? which god is it and have people created different gods?

how does the electric universe allow god and us to communicate? what happens when we sin?

if you have any questions, arguments then ask or post away.

there is also a discussion on the electric universe bible (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.0)


: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: kevin May 09, 2010, 02:12:31
As well as god, what about the little devil?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

The thing is though that once people become believers they fight to be right, and kill to protect their god, bizzare?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts
Kevin
: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: electrobleme May 10, 2010, 18:30:07
As well as god, what about the little devil?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

The thing is though that once people become believers they fight to be right, and kill to protect their god, bizzare?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts
Kevin


the ending to that first clip is good, god/religions/beliefs meaning is to increase our humanity and reveal it to us

and not going to get that song out of my head now. thats the thing about a good song, does it hit the correct natural frequency in our body/brain and thats why we like it
: Re: god is an Electric Universe? - Topics
: peter May 10, 2010, 18:48:13
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to discuss this very interesting topic.

Here is a list of topics that we can discuss in deep:

- World-views: God and Cosmology
- What is God: A unpersonalized intelligent force or more?
- Is the electric universe a god?
- How can we communicate with God?
- If God exist, what does he requires from us?
- Does other spiritual beings also exist?
- What is a spirit?
- Differences between our world and the spiritual world
: World-views: God and Cosmology
: peter May 10, 2010, 22:02:21
Worldview and linguistics

"A worldview describes a consistent (to a varying degree) and integral sense of existence and provides a framework for generating, sustaining, and applying knowledge.

The linguistic relativity hypothesis of Benjamin Lee Whorf describes how the syntactic-semantic structure of a language becomes an underlying structure for the Weltanschauung of a people through the organization of the causal perception of the world and the linguistic categorization of entities. As linguistic categorization emerges as a representation of worldview and causality, it further modifies social perception and thereby leads to a continual interaction between language and perception.

The theory, or rather hypothesis, was well received in the late 1940s, but declined in prominence after a decade. In the 1990s, new research gave further support for the linguistic relativity theory, in the works of Stephen Levinson and his team at the Max Planck institute for Psycholinguistics at Nijmegen, Netherlands. The theory has also gained attention through the work of Lera Boroditsky at Stanford University."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_view)

(http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/towerOfBabel.jpg)

"Now all the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words." Genesis 11:1


Our perception modifies our language and our world view (Weltanschauung)
We perceive this world as a materialistic universe where space and time separates us from each other. The separation of the language at the time of the tower of Babel, during the reign of Nimrod, was a consequence of the progressing decomposition of the collective consciousness and awareness. Short after this time also the life span was shortened. Consciousness and life force are the same. A consciousness field is the same as the field that is created by accumulating life force (qi or prana).

Root of the separation
The root of the separation is in the original sin that Adam committed. He separated himself from God by a conscious act of disobedience.
By doing this he destroyed willingly the awareness of the right world view, that God as the ONE consciousness is the center of all and not the Ego (illusion of the self = separateness) - Ecclesiastes 12:13,14.

Short after the original sin God revealed him the consequences of his act:
- "cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life." Genesis 3:17
- "Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." (Romans 5:12)

Illness is one of the symptoms of this separateness
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Charles_Lamoureux.png/140px-Charles_Lamoureux.png)
All cells in our body works together in harmony in order to make life for us possible. But the teamwork of all cells is coordinated by the life force. The introduction of "separateness" into our collective consciousness has caused a failure in this coordination. The cells does not work perfectly together anymore. The body and mind is in a disharmonious state, like a orchestra without a conductor.

God is our conductor
Everything in this (Electric) Universe is frequency. There exist a fine tuning of the forces (electromagnetism, gravity, strong nuclear force, and weak nuclear force) without nothing could exist. Physicists knows that they are set and balanced so precisely that even slight changes could render the universe lifeless.
In the scientific field of biology there is also known this kind of delicate fine tuning. All life forms works together. There exist no separateness.
Psychology, as Carl Jung discovered, knows also such kind of fine tuning.

Now I have mentioned 3 different fields of science: Physics, biology and psychology
Between this fields exist also a separateness!!! It should not wonder us, because the separateness was embedded in our collective consciousness by Adam and it influences everything we do and think and feel. We are slaves of the original sin, of a world view that promotes separateness.


Which world view promotes separateness and which wholeness?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Eta_Carinae_Nebula_1.jpg/360px-Eta_Carinae_Nebula_1.jpg)
Classical physics promotes a world view of separateness. But this is a antiquated world view, because since Newton many scientists has described and analyzed strange phenomenas in physics.

Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, the double-slit experiment, quantum entanglement and the fine tuning of the forces, constants, and laws that shape the universe as we
perceive it, indicates that separateness in our universe does not exist.

One world view that I prefer is the "Biocentrism". It promotes wholeness rather than separateness.
Another is the Holographic Universe, that describes also that everything is embedded in the part and vice versa.
Fractals and the Electric Universe Theory are no contradiction to the Holographic Universe and the Biocentrism.

As you can see a kind of reconciliation is happening in the field of science during the last 100 years. It seems that a spirit of reconciliation promotes the reunification of all fields. A force that reunites the single morphic fields to one big field. This is also called the "Awakening". The spiritual light (in EU light is a special kind of electromagnetic radiation, in religion light is a symbol for insight) shines stronger and stronger than more we get near to this "Awakening" that means also the End of a World (view).
All the years before there emerged only more and more strange theories that promoted separateness. But now a long series of discoveries and theories emerge that forms a picture of a cosmos of wholeness. This happens maybe because the collective consciousness, in this case viewed as a collective mind also known as the "noosphere", is feed by a group of people that has all the same target to research the Truth and to live coherently to it. This group of people influences the whole humanity and this group is also influenced by higher beings and by God. The Wholeness will be more and more evident with the time.


See also:
- Spiritual Science: World-views – God and Cosmology http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/spiritual-science-world-views-god-and-cosmology/ (http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/spiritual-science-world-views-god-and-cosmology/)
- Biocentrism (cosmology) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism_%28cosmology%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism_%28cosmology%29)
- Fine-tuned Universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_universe)
: Re: World-views: God and Cosmology
: electrobleme May 11, 2010, 01:10:12
Worldview and linguistics
"Now all the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words." Genesis 11:1


Our perception modifies our language and our world view (Weltanschauung)
We perceive this world as a materialistic universe where space and time separates us from each other. The separation of the language at the time of the tower of Babel, during the reign of Nimrod, was a consequence of the progressing decomposition of the collective consciousness and awareness. Short after this time also the life span was shortened. Consciousness and life force are the same. A consciousness field is the same as the field that is created by accumulating life force (qi or prana).

could the world/peoples have been very similar if the morphic field of earth was strong and equal around most of the globe, then a catastrophe changed the morphic field, people changed, depending on where you lived you became a distinct different race but still based on the human model.

language also changed as our bodies/minds changed but also perhaps how we see/think/receive information compared to someone else who is built different.


Illness is one of the symptoms of this separateness
All cells in our body works together in harmony in order to make life for us possible. But the teamwork of all cells is coordinated by the life force. The introduction of "separateness" into our collective consciousness has caused a failure in this coordination. The cells does not work perfectly together anymore. The body and mind is in a disharmonious state, like a orchestra without a conductor.

all the ancient peoples discuss the golden age, the good age, when disease, war etc seemed to not be around or people lived a better peaceful life. would one of the original catastrophes (by an electric universe god) have then broken the fine tuning and the change in the morphic field changed our body and no longer in tune we now suffer the symptons of being out of tune with the universe

God is our conductor
Everything in this (Electric) Universe is frequency. There exist a fine tuning of the forces (electromagnetism, gravity, strong nuclear force, and weak nuclear force) without nothing could exist. Physicists knows that they are set and balanced so precisely that even slight changes could render the universe lifeless.
In the scientific field of biology there is also known this kind of delicate fine tuning. All life forms works together. There exist no separateness.
.

did god create the universe just for us to glorify him or are there other life forms or have been other other ages of humans on this plant?


Which world view promotes separateness and which wholeness?
As you can see a kind of reconciliation is happening in the field of science during the last 100 years. It seems that a spirit of reconciliation promotes the reunification of all fields. A force that reunites the single morphic fields to one big field. This is also called the "Awakening". The spiritual light (in EU light is a special kind of electromagnetic radiation, in religion light is a symbol for insight) shines stronger and stronger than more we get near to this "Awakening" that means also the End of a World (view).
All the years before there emerged only more and more strange theories that promoted separateness. But now a long series of discoveries and theories emerge that forms a picture of a cosmos of wholeness. This happens maybe because the collective consciousness, in this case viewed as a collective mind also known as the "noosphere", is feed by a group of people that has all the same target to research the Truth and to live coherently to it. This group of people influences the whole humanity and this group is also influenced by higher beings and by God. The Wholeness will be more and more evident with the time.


 tower of babel = a time of change for humans and the earth but we are slowly becoming as one either through a knowing/learning of the path to truth or through NWO agenda. the NWO may not fully know the result in an Electric Universe of what they are creating by trying to form and control a one world.
: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Jackson Holly May 12, 2010, 09:12:53

Hello to all ... newbie here, my first (disjointed) post. I'm not a scientist, just an interested layman. I have been lurking for a while and am now near 100% sure the EU theory is correct/on the right track ... and I have been preaching it every where I go on the internet. Just wanted to join in, maybe bring a new thought or two to the table.

~~~~~ O ~~~~~

Is the universe FINITE ... does it have a beginning and an end? That is
the dominant view I know, prevalent in many religions ... a GOD creates everything that is, then brings it all to an end. In a real sense, the Big Bang, fits with this view ... that is
limiting time and space.

We tend to feel more comfortable with the finite, I believe, because we, ourselves, are finite entities, at least in the physical sense. We are born, we live and we die ... so must everything. However, to me that does not seem to be the case ... it is infinite, there is no beginning ... space goes on forever in all directions, and time is truly eternal.

~~~~~o~~~~~



Nature organizes itself geometrically ... there is a will to organize.


This realization is a mind-blower for me. I have pondered for a long time about
the geometry of life ... that's wondrous and magical enough ... but  even more amazing
is the geometry apparent of damn near everything, living and non-living, on every scale.

I realized that nature "organizes" itself ... think here about what we call 'cymatics'. 
Matter 'reacts' to sound 'waves' and organizes itself. Does it 'react' to other 'stimuli'
to organize itself? Is there a will to organize? I now believe there is ... but I
am unsure if the 'will' lies in the 'matter' or the external 'stimuli'.

CYMATICS:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=150823.msg965111#msg965111 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=150823.msg965111#msg965111)

I do not accept nor deny God in the traditional sense here. Substitute God for 'Nature'
or for 'matter' or for 'stimuli' in my rant and I would be perfectly happy.

~~~~~ O O O ~~~~~

Am I right in saying that the red shift data is key to make or break the big bang
theory and that data is very problematical. Once the concept of an
'expanding' universe from a central point is jettisoned, then you begin
to see the other, more sensible possibilities ... new, more reasonable,
more common sense, user friendly explanations present themselves.

~~~~~~ o o o ~~~~~~~

Question: How does the human brain come into being? How does it work?

I've said often that the best analogy for my view of the universe is the human brain.
The brain consists of hundreds of billions of specialized nerve cells ... "In the developing brain, stem cells give birth to hundreds of billions of specialized cells that form intricate networks with trillions of connections." The neurons communicate electro/chemically through these 'networks', passing information over considerable distances.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/7376-34410834.jpg)
http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=7376 (http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=7376)


As far as we know, the brain is the 'crown of creation' ... definitely the most advanced
'creation' that we are aware of. Why would the brain NOT mimic the 'universe' ... or
the 'nerve center' of the universe. Why would the human brain NOT be a replica in
microcosm of the intelligent universe in macrocosm?

Imagine an infinite brain/intelligence, with, " .... hundreds of billions of specialized cells that form intricate networks with trillions of connections." The human brain is 'informed',
it follows a 'pattern' (think DNA), it is 'programmed' ... it is electric.

Why would not this other, macrocosmic network of 'cells' do the same?

~~~~~ O O O ~~~~~
: scalability to infinity?
: electrobleme May 12, 2010, 19:21:29
hello and welcome Jackson Holly. what a first post! enough debate could arise from those topics for its own forum :)


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/brain-filiments-tendrils-electric-universe-hologram.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/humans-electric-universe-gaia-connectivity-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/humans-electric-universe-gaia-connectivity.jpg)

as you say about god/nature/matter the images above and below can be swapped for humans/universe/cells/galaxies...

although humans are physically trapped in a body they connect with the rest of the electric universe so is there any limit to how far we can reach or should there be any limit.
is it only limited by our words. as soon as we name something we limit it.

i had heard that the universe may be a toroid or doughnut shape, so there is some sort of "circuit" as such. cant remember though if that was an EU person or someone else.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/brain-vasculature-visualization-or-filiment-universe-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/brain-vasculature-visualization-or-filiment-universe.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/computer-simulation-galaxies-filiments-networks.jpg)

vasculature visualization (brain) and computer similution of space filiments

a few more images of brain and nerve stuff found here (http://research.cs.tamu.edu/bnl/galleryRecon.html)




(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/universe-galaxies-networks-distribution-image-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/universe-galaxies-networks-distribution-image.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/filiments-galactic-galaxies-connections-pathways-circuits-wires-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/filiments-galactic-galaxies-connections-pathways-circuits-wires.jpg)
galaxies in the universe and filiments in a galaxy


i have thought that the universe has to be infinite because if it is finite then there is an outside and to have an outside you need something the other side.

of course there could be infinite dimensions or frequencies, universes that are a slightly different tune to us but if or when we change our bodies we can suddenly receive or connect with them.



is each atom its own solar system or galaxy? is each human its own solar system? is each solar system or galaxy its own living being?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/human-brain-electric-universe-glowing-galaxies.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/eye-galaxy-birkeland-current-plasma-pinch-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/eye-galaxy-birkeland-current-plasma-pinch.jpg)

: and god/EU said let there be ... and there was
: electrobleme May 12, 2010, 20:45:34

CYMATICS:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=150823.msg965111#msg965111 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=150823.msg965111#msg965111)
[/url]

I do not accept nor deny God in the traditional sense here. Substitute God for 'Nature'
or for 'matter' or for 'stimuli' in my rant and I would be perfectly happy.

JH can you guide me to the correct place in the link as not sure where i am meant to look for info, found an interesting thing about water and mythology that i will post somewhere else, so thanks for link. [edited later: seems to work fine now! so no need]




(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/cymatics-vowel-a-diocotron-instability.jpg)  [
cymatics and the sound shape of the vowal "A"


...Christians imagined that the creation of the universe began
with thoughts of things, which were then pronounced by the divinity
and sent forth into space. The plants and minerals you see are divine
words that have solidified. You can imagine that they were once dissolved
in the sound vibrations of the divine cosmic word. Each thing we see--so said
the early Christians--is a divine word become solid.

Therefore they distinguished between the Father, who remains hidden and has
not yet expressed himself, the Son or Word that resounds through space, and
the solidified word, or Revelation. In this way we can understand the deeper
meaning of the beginning of the Gospel According to John:

  'In the beginning was the Word,
   and the Word was with God,
   and a God was the Word.

   The Word was with God at the beginning,
   and through it all things came to be;
   no single thing was created without it.'

Everything that came into existence emerged from the Word.

When we take these statements as literally as possible, it is easy to
acknowledge the creative power of the Word or logos. LOGOS must not be translated
as anything except word, because this passage means that the unspoken creative
word underlies all external creation. The resounding word is the source of everything
that exists. If we went back through the ages, we would hear all the objects and
beings we now know as animals, plants, minerals, and humans resounding through
cosmic space, just as you hear my words today, because the air had not yet cooled
enough for them to precipitate as solid forms.

(Rudolf Steiner, Rosicrucian Practice, June 28, 1907, Kassel, pp. 61-62)
LOGOS & CRYSTALIZED AIR | earthlink.net (http://home.earthlink.net/~johnrpenner/Articles/Logos-Cymatics.html)


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/diocotron-instabilities-section-circle.jpg)
diocotron instabilities cross section showing circle or is it an "A"


is the voice of god mentioned the sound/frequency coming from the electric universe to create, transmute or keep the form of the things. is that what frequency is all about?

Genesis 1 v 3-5 : he shall become light and and he is becoming light

3 and God saith, `Let light be;' and light is.
Genesis 1:3 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:3-4&version=YLT)

3 and he is saying Elohim he shall become light and he is becoming light (Hebrew Interlinear Bible)

This is where knowing what the words really mean counts. Does something/someone become light, is the ability of light created/found/named, does something change so light can be seen/created...

...

Light has been spoken into being? The power/energy/frequency of words or their implied knowledge?

She has shown Me how the letters of hebrew are almost mimicking the rythms of sounds, and they are from sanskrit.  (kevin) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg535#msg535)



(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/diocotron-instability-stages.jpg)
stages of a diocotron instability


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/saturns-hexagonal-pole-cymatics-sound-shape-vowel-a.jpg)
saturns hexagonal pole - cymatics shape and/or diocotron instability?


i have thought in the past that rolling hills you get are caused by cymatics. especially where you get them in large numbers. they are just so smooth and perfect it is hard to image how they could be caused by erosion. you seem to find rolling hills near EU activity, rivers or at the footholds of mountains.

even on malta we have a small row of "rolling hills" and a couple of islets that have a rolling hill top. rolling hills are such a subtle EU sign they are the only reason i went to look at this rolling hill stuck on the shore where St Mark's Tower (http://www.geulogy.com/introdis_st_marks_tower_qalet_marku_bahar_ic-caghaq_malta_de_redin_watchtower.html) (Qalet Marku near Bahar ic-Caghaq). I found the most amazing lichtenberg type patterns covering the rolling hill ! I have more photos of it and they will be posted eventually.

i will soon be starting properly on the gEUlogy part of the EU and i will hopegully show examples of what i mean about rolling hills.

there should be cymatic video or images showing this if it is due to cymatics . does cymatics cover most shapes seen on earth or in the universe?
: Re: scalability to infinity?
: peter May 12, 2010, 21:10:26
is each atom its own solar system or galaxy? is each human its own solar system? is each solar system or galaxy its own living being?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/E_coli_at_10000x%2C_original.jpg/250px-E_coli_at_10000x%2C_original.jpg)

What is the difference between single-celled organism and multicellular organism?
The cells in a multicellular organism, like the human body, works all time together guided by the life force (or morphic field). If this field becomes weak the whole body suffers and it loose order.
Single cells instead works independently with their own small morphic field. But sometimes they build a common morphic field if it is required for the surviving of the collective.
Similar to the single cells whole humanity is very near to extinction. A common theme in movies and books since some years is the "Awakening" of a collective consciousness. We get aware that something needs to happen in order that we can survive our own ego.

See also: Can Medicine or Religion save the planet from a major catastrophe? – by George Vithoulkas - http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/218/9/lang,en/ (http://www.vithoulkas.com/content/view/218/9/lang,en/)

Prophets emerging out of the collective
I personally believe that this kind of collective morphic field exists all the time and it will not be formed but reinforced or reestablished. In ancient times the collective fields got sometimes greater activity and out of the collective emerged "prophets" that express the "words that need to be heard" in order that the collective could survive.

"Congregate the people, the men and the women and the little ones and your alien resident who is within your gates, in order that they may listen and in order that they may learn, as they must fear Jehovah YOUR God and take care to carry out all the words of this law. And their sons who have not known should listen, and they must learn to fear Jehovah YOUR God all the days that YOU are living upon the soil to which YOU are crossing the Jordan to take possession of it."
Deuteronomy 31:12,13
: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Jackson Holly May 13, 2010, 00:28:04


electrobleme:
JH can you guide me to the correct place in the link as not sure where i am meant to look for info, found an interesting thing about water and mythology that i will post somewhere else, so thanks for link. [edited later: seems to work fine now! so no need]

OK ... glad the link makes sense now. It was a blogpost elsewhere ... just wanted to make sure everyone was up to speed on the thinking about cymatics. I was quoting from this link:

http://www.cymascope.com/cyma_research/biology.html (http://www.cymascope.com/cyma_research/biology.html)


That matter reacts to sound 'waves' (cymatics) in reproducible and readily observable ways is a given ... just wondering what other 'stimuli' might matter react to when organizing itself?

Something important is happening here. Oh, I know many say that this is just a 'law of nature' ...
this is just the way matter 'behaves' or 'reacts' to vibration. Well, 'behaves and reacts' in my book implies a 'will'. So much so that I say we begin using the term 'natural will' rather than 'natural law', a term which in some ways subtracts from the mysteriously 'informed' (intelligent?) and sometimes 'lifelike' nature of the phenomenon.

Can we ask ... why are the elements of the universe electronically (and otherwise) connected?

 .... and: Is the program for life (DNA) 'transmitted' throughout the universe?





 

: cymatics feedback systems
: electrobleme May 13, 2010, 20:32:01

there appears to be  an electromagnet field for everything large and small that combine to create a general morphic field of that area, that also is influenced by the macromorphic field

if the cymatic signal is effected a "local area" it may be partially controlled by negative/postive feedback. once  the cymatic system or local loop  starts and you get a steady signal (force/frequency/energy) it will either remain in that shape/state, go off the scale or damp itself down

the output of the system can effect the cymatic signal so the natural will of the stuff or local system will produce its own desired output/force but influence by the cymatics.

for example on earth we have similar minerals on rocks around the earth but they all have the slightest variations. depending on the input that created them (catastrophe thunderbolt, earthly telluric current etc) combined with the material that was there and the morphic field of the area you will get variations. all of the same theme but due to each unique systems feedback loop all slightly different

if it is positive feeback and goes off the scale do you get transmutation into another totally different type of material, like metamorphic rock, metals, diamonds or does it "evaporate" and seperate into elemental pieces ?

how does natural material and natural systems know what to do? it may be a natural lay or it may be that they are connected to the eletric universe and the akashic records knowledge/law. if it is using an electical force it has to get it from the unviverse and perhaps the universe gives it an "instruction manual" of what to do in each circumstance or the system it finds itself in

not sure of the last paragraph but it is a discussion so just chucked it out there
: transmitting or accessing the DNA of life
: electrobleme May 13, 2010, 20:59:18
Can we ask ... why are the elements of the universe electronically (and otherwise) connected?

 .... and: Is the program for life (DNA) 'transmitted' throughout the universe?

there is an amazing discussion about the akashic records and the electric universe called - ever had a "brainwave", a bolt from the blue? the concept of "Akashic Records" (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=182.0)

this discusses that everything could be connected and especially about DNA and what it has or can do to us and the changes that can effect it and how/what we tune in or recieve the rest of the universes broadcast

there are also this radio interview on youtube and the brief akashic records discussion is mentioned at the start/end between the 2 vids. its by  Wal Thornhill and David Talbott, not sure if you have heard this interview before but its always worth another listen.Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lMJs2W6IJc) and Thunderbolts of the Gods Pt.6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYe9ZVcP5kg)

is the program for life transmitted throught the universe...
is it only in certain galaxies / solar systems / planets / areas where the morpic field of the local system is conductive to it? either to save energy or because it is receptive to the signal and information?
is it a transmission or access to the akashic records?

the one thing about very rare fungi/plants/insects is that they are found only in very rare areas where the conditions are conductive for them to either grow or appear. now for fungi/plants this really means that although they are very rare the spores/seeds have to be covering the whole globe to find those very few spots.
or is the transmission for lifeforms of all kinds being sent on different frequencies through the whole earth and where it finds the correct reception that frequencies life is found
or does the local morphic field/frequency change the basic models of life - spores/seeds/humans and creates what it local has to do.

one example that is interesting is of darwins finches on the galapogos islands and "proof of evolution". but what happened later was that on one of the islands a new breed of finches was introduced. the new finches were better at eating the food source of the original finches. in only a few generations the original finches had "evolved" new beaks.
was this due to the energy of the island changing, did they adapt naturally to the signal/field from a different type of food source and so thier beaks changed etc etc ?
: anti bodies and destructive interference waves
: electrobleme May 14, 2010, 00:55:54
is each atom its own solar system or galaxy? is each human its own solar system? is each solar system or galaxy its own living being?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/E_coli_at_10000x%2C_original.jpg/250px-E_coli_at_10000x%2C_original.jpg)

What is the difference between single-celled organism and multicellular organism?
The cells in a multicellular organism, like the human body, works all time together guided by the life force (or morphic field). If this field becomes weak the whole body suffers and it loose order.
Single cells instead works independently with their own small morphic field. But sometimes they build a common morphic field if it is required for the surviving of the collective.
Similar to the single cells whole humanity is very near to extinction. A common theme in movies and books since some years is the "Awakening" of a collective consciousness. We get aware that something needs to happen in order that we can survive our own ego.

the body creates cells, anti bodies or groups them together to attach infection of your body. are these created or grouped to make a certain morphic field or frequency?

has the illness changed your frequency/field so your body knows that it needs to get back to its normal frequency. is it like a feedback system? your body by accessing the electric universe knows or is told what frequency/field it should be at so works to get you back there.

is it like constructive/destructive interference waves?

salty sweat is one of the signs of illness ...

if you put these with cymatics then will the increased energies and the frequency change the DNA of the cells?

Cats hum when they feel unwell, it appears to make themselves better. Cats are immense electrical creatures - there fur is used in electrical science experiments and they see or sense those electrical energies in the room that we dont. why would they hum to cure themselves unless the frequency thing works. is it similar to radiology?
: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Mo May 14, 2010, 10:57:27
When considering the morphic field I think we can start with the acupuncture meridians. This is because they have been recently measured with a very sensitive magnetic instrument, and so it is now instrumentally proven that these meridians exist. These meridians are connected to the structural components of each cell in the body. A current passes through these meridians, and kundalini is said to flow through these too. So we have a strong contender for the meridians being related to the morphic field.

Now an increase in current through a structural segment of a cell would produce a force on the chromatin such that it would unwind or otherwise change configuration. This changes the epigenetics so that some genes would now be more expressed and thus produce more of it's protein, whilst other genes may produce less. Now the morphic field may well be quite a different thing to the meridians, but a change in the morphic field might well change the currents flowing in the meridians and around cells, and thus more of a growth hormone might be produced this way, which could increase the length of a bird's beak, for example.

Thus the bird has a desire for a longer beak and this desire either directly produces a current that changes the arrangement of the chromatin which changes the epigenetics and this change is passed on to the birds chicks, or else the desire for a larger beak alters the morphic field and this causes a current that changes the arrangement of the chromatin which changes the epigenetics and this change is passed on to the birds chicks. The problem then with the morphic field is how does the change in the morphic field get passed on to the chicks. Whereas changes in the epigenetics does get passed on. But either way we have feeling changing gene expression in an exacting way. We already know that feeling does change gene expression, but this suggests a direct mechanism.
Mo
: red shift rag to the mainstream bull?
: electrobleme May 14, 2010, 15:12:58
Am I right in saying that the red shift data is key to make or break the big bang
theory and that data is very problematical. Once the concept of an
'expanding' universe from a central point is jettisoned, then you begin
to see the other, more sensible possibilities ... new, more reasonable,
more common sense, user friendly explanations present themselves.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/stephans-quintet-redshift-conspiracy-plasma-cosmology.jpg)
Explanation: Five closely grouped galaxies are visible in this image made using the Kitt Peak National Observatory 2.1 meter telescope. The grouping is commonly known as Stephan's Quintet. Four of the galaxies show essentially the same redshift suggesting that they are at the same distance from us. The large bluish spiral below and left of center actually has a smaller redshift than the others, indicating it is much closer. It is probably a foreground object which happens to lie along the line of sight to the more distant galaxies. Of the four distant galaxies, three seem to be colliding, showing serious distortions due to gravitational tidal forces. The fourth is a normal appearing elliptical galaxy (at the lower right edge of the field). Recent results suggest that collisions play an important role in the life cycles of galaxies.
A Quintet of Galaxies | apod.nasa.gov (http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap951115.html)


red shift is indeed a foundation stone of the proof of the big bang but he who lives by the big bang shall die by the big bang. halton arp (http://www.haltonarp.com/articles) is your man for questioning the red shift, the link is to his website with pdf papers for you to read and you can buy his book seeing red (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0968368905?ie=UTF8&tag=everiselec-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0968368905). there is enough stuff online though to not need the book unless its something you really want to study. its an amazing book.

thunderbolts TPODs cover the red shift (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00subjectx.htm#Redshift) problem in some detail.

Arp found that the intrinsic redshift of a quasar or galaxy took discrete values, which decreased with distance from a central active galaxy. In Arp's new view of the cosmos, active galaxies "give birth" to high redshift quasars and companion galaxies. Redshift becomes a measure of the relative ages of nearby quasars and galaxies, not their distance. As a quasar or galaxy ages, the redshift decreases in discrete steps, or quanta.
What Big Bang? | holoscience.com (http://www.holoscience.com/synopsis.php?page=4)


(http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/images05/050610quasar-galaxy.jpg) (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060103arptest.htm)
galaxy NGC 7319 and the "misplaced" quasar - death to red shift and the big bang?


you will find in a lot of images of galaxies and quasars what arp suggests about the pairings/relationships seems to be true (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060103arptest.htm). perhaps his most famous work is the Arp's Catalog or Atlas Of Peculiar Galaxies (http://www.338arps.com/).


As can be seen in the Hubble image (top of this post), the 'close' galaxy does indeed show more details than the cores of the other members of the group. But it is also apparent that the resolution of NGC 7320 and the interaction debris encircling the 'background galaxies' NGC 7318A and B reveal comparable levels of detail and 'clumpiness'. This would argue strongly in favor of the galaxies being sufficiently close to interact.

One of the most remarkable aspects of Stephan’s Quintet is the long non-thermal radio-continuum structure lying in intergalactic space between the galaxies. It is also visible in X-rays and UV, and recently it was imaged in infrared by the Spitzer telescope and H-alpha emission. The picture above is a composite. It clearly shows the giant arc-like 'shock wave' (in green from H-alpha emission) that astronomers interpret as the effect of a collision between NGC 7318B and the rest of the group. Of course, 'shock wave' is not the language that would be used by plasma cosmologists or proponents of the Electric Universe.
Stephan’s Quintet Rekindles Controversy | thunderbolts.info/tpod (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060419stephansquintet.htm)





: Einsteins Cross and so he should be
: electrobleme May 14, 2010, 16:30:42

Einsteins Cross and so he should be


(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/Huchra-Lens-Einstein-crosses-gravitational-lenses.jpg)
Einstein Cross (G2237+030) and gravitional lensing

Einstein Cross (G2237+030)

The most spectacular of the 20 or so well-attested instances of gravitational lenses that involve a quasar  and foreground galaxy. The Einstein Cross consists of four symmetrically placed images of the same quasar, which lies 8 billion light-years away and almost directly behind the nucleus of a galaxy that is only 500 million light-years away. The alignment is so close that if the lens effect could be removed, the quasar would appear within 0.05" of the galaxy's nucleus. The system was discovered in the course of a redshift survey by the Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics by John Huchra (1948-), and is sometimes referred as the Huchra Lens. Einstein crosses form when source and lens are in alignment with the observer but the lensing mass is unevenly distributed. When there is alignment plus even distribution of the lensing mass the result is an Einstein ring.
]Einstein Cross (G2237+030) | daviddarling.info (http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/Einstein_Cross.html)


above is the mainstream explanation for the one of the most amazing "Einstein Crosses" that we will ever find. but is it due to gravitional lensing?

the quote below is from an absolute stunner of an article from Wal Thornhill about the Einstein Cross, Halton Arp, red shift, quasars and much more


(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/Huchra-Lens-Einstein-Cross-4-quasars-plasma-cosmology.jpg)
"gravitational lensing", quasars and the Einstein Cross

What about Gravitational Lensing?

Gravitational lensing became fashionable when astronomers discovered an excess number of quasars around bright galaxies. They argued that the quasars, which were assumed to appear faint because they were distant, became visible due to the bending of light by the gravity of the nearby bright galaxy. Every quasar in the vicinity of a galaxy could then be attributed to multiple lensed images of only one distant quasar, reducing the excess of quasars to an acceptable number. (Of course, this subterfuge was never tested.)

Arp wrote, "When I heard that the gravitational microlensing calculations required a steep increase of quasar numbers with fainter apparent magnitudes, …I protested that the observed numbers flattened off as they became fainter." Arp's schema predicts that quasars will be distributed in the same way as bright nearby galaxies. He found that the match was "extraordinarily good" and "even the details fit well." His paper ( Astronomy and Astrophysics, 229, 93, 1990) detailing his analysis "lists five independent reasons why gravitational lensing cannot account for the excess number of quasars around bright galaxies. But most decisively, it demonstrates that the observed number counts for quasars can only be accounted for by their physical association with bright nearby galaxies."

The most celebrated case of "gravitational lensing" is that known (for obvious reasons) as the Einstein Cross.

In the mid-1980's, astronomers discovered these four quasars, with redshifts about z = 1.7, buried deep in the heart of a galaxy with a low redshift of z = .04. (The central spot in this image is not the whole galaxy but only the brightest part of the galaxy's nucleus.) When first discovered, the high redshift quasar in the nucleus of a low redshift galaxy caused a panic. To save the redshift/distance conviction, gravitational lensing had to be invoked despite Fred Hoyle's calculation that the probability of such a lensing event was less than two chances in a million!

A change in brightness of the quasars was observed over a period of three years. Arp's explanation is that the galaxy has ejected four quasars, which are growing brighter with age as they move farther from the nucleus. The lensing explanation is that the bending of the light varies when individual stars pass in front of the quasar. If the lensing explanation were correct, the quasars should brighten briefly and then fade as the star moves out of alignment.


(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/Einstein-Cross-redshifted-connecting-material-quasar-d-galaxy-core.jpg)
Hubble Space Telescope picture, in false color, of the Einstein Cross

At the wavelength of redshifted hydrogen Lyman alpha emission there is connecting material between the quasar D and the central galaxy core.

With access to the primary data, Arp was able to show (above) that the high-redshift quasar was connected to the nucleus of the low redshift galaxy. The image shows trails of material from ejection and the tendency for orthogonal ejection from the parent galaxy.
What about Gravitational Lensing?  | holoscience.com (http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=zc22ejwj)


and here is another case of gravitional lenses, called an Einstein Ring



(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/Einstein-ring-gravitational-lens-red-shift.jpg)

A gravitational lens effect in which the image of a remote background object, such as a quasar, is distorted into a ring by a foreground galaxy. A perfect ring will only result if the source, the lensing object, and the observer are exactly lined up, and, in addition, the mass of the lensing object is evenly distributed (see Einstein Cross). An Einstein ring image can be up to 30 times brighter than the image of the distant galaxy would be in the absence of the lensing effect.

A few good approximations to Einstein rings have been found, such as MG1131+0546 and B1938+666. In other cases, where the alignment is not perfect, the gravitational lens produces one or more arcs.
Einstein ring | daviddarling.info (http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/Einstein_ring.html)

: DNA
: electrobleme May 22, 2010, 08:06:40

The DNA Mystery: Scientists Stumped By "Telepathic" Abilities

DNA has been found to have a bizarre ability to put itself together, even at a distance, when according to known science it shouldn't be able to. Explanation: None, at least not yet.

Scientists are reporting evidence that contrary to our current beliefs about what is possible, intact double-stranded DNA has the “amazing” ability to recognize similarities in other DNA strands from a distance. Somehow they are able to identify one another, and the tiny bits of genetic material tend to congregate with similar DNA. The recognition of similar sequences in DNA’s chemical subunits, occurs in a way unrecognized by science. There is no known reason why the DNA is able to combine the way it does, and from a current theoretical standpoint this feat should be chemically impossible.

Even so, research published in ACS’ Journal of Physical Chemistry B, shows very clearly that homology recognition between sequences of several hundred nucleotides occurs without physical contact or presence of proteins. Double helixes of DNA can recognize matching molecules from a distance and then gather together, all seemingly without help from any other molecules or chemical signals.

In the study, scientists observed the behavior of fluorescently tagged DNA strands placed in water that contained no proteins or other material that could interfere with the experiment. Strands with identical nucleotide sequences were about twice as likely to gather together as DNA strands with different sequences. No one knows how individual DNA strands could possibly be communicating in this way, yet somehow they do. The “telepathic” effect is a source of wonder and amazement for scientists.

“Amazingly, the forces responsible for the sequence recognition can reach across more than one nanometer of water separating the surfaces of the nearest neighbor DNA,” said the authors Geoff S. Baldwin, Sergey Leikin, John M. Seddon, and Alexei A. Kornyshev and colleagues.

This recognition effect may help increase the accuracy and efficiency of the homologous recombination of genes, which is a process responsible for DNA repair, evolution, and genetic diversity. The new findings may also shed light on ways to avoid recombination errors, which are factors in cancer, aging, and other health issues.
The DNA Mystery: Scientists Stumped By "Telepathic" Abilities | dailygalaxy.com (http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/09/the-dna-mystery-scientists-baffled-by-telepathic-abilities.html)
: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Mo May 22, 2010, 09:10:07
Surely the scientists could have put the word 'resonance' somewhere in the article. Although this resonance might well be telepathic-like. Clearly a 3-D or 4-D wave is emitted by objects and can cause resonance. And I reckon that measuring this effect would be easy if someone was to give it a real chance.
Mo
: albinos and dna
: electrobleme May 26, 2010, 19:51:04


does that report show that homeopathy can work from a "science" point of view or is that not implied from it?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/eie/albino-peacock-dna-white.jpg)
is an albino peacock due to its dna being changed by a morphic/electromagnetic field?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/eie/photos-albinos-peacocks-images.jpg)
why are certain creatures albino, like this peacock for example?


if albinos were born on other planets somehow (with different enough conditions to earth) would it be the same creature? would you get albino creatures? would they all be albino?

would humans adapt very differently?

if we are formed in gods image does that mean if we were born elsewhere we would show another physical form of god?

: Electricity is an abstraction of Consciousness
: peter May 26, 2010, 22:07:39
Electricity is generated. It is not created.

"Electricity is generated by the movement of a loop of wire, or disc of copper between the poles of a magnet." - Wikipedia

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Susquehanna_steam_electric_station.jpg/220px-Susquehanna_steam_electric_station.jpg)

What is the difference between "generation" and "creation"?
The answer can be found as usual in the etymological study of the word generation. In the English language "generation" is also used for a "offspring", a procreation.
Procreation is also known as reproduction.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Hoverflies_mating_midair.jpg/250px-Hoverflies_mating_midair.jpg)

So both words are correlated, but are not the same.

The generation of electricity follows the consciousness
Only the consciousness was created by God. The electricity is an abstraction of the consciousness. It is like a echo of the original creation embedding fractal patterns.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6/Swirly_belt444.jpg/300px-Swirly_belt444.jpg)

We are created in the image of God
What we perceive as reality is a process that involves our consciousness. An “external” reality, if it existed, would by definition have to exist in space. But this is meaningless, because space and time are not absolute realities but rather tools of the human and animal mind.

Without consciousness, “matter” dwells in an undetermined state of probability. Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state.

Like God our creator, we embed the universe in us, in our mind or consciousness. The "outside" world is in reality a communication platform that we create in consensus.
God has created us and we create the universe, but we are not in the universe, we are the universe. God created the blueprint and we re-create all the things following this blueprint (morphic field).

Our reality is a collective thought
The idea that the consciousness is the very center of the “universe” is not new. It has other names like “The Primacy of Consciousness” as proposed by Peter Russell and Ervin Laszlo for example. But Robert Lanza has done a good work, giving the new born baby a name and explaining why life creates the universe rather than the other way around.

See also:
- Biocentrism – A Theory of Everything that makes sense - http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/biocentrism-a-theory-of-everything-that-makes-sense/ (http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/biocentrism-a-theory-of-everything-that-makes-sense/)
: Free energy in a free world
: peter May 27, 2010, 16:30:51
Zero Point Energy Module - The Joe Cell
(http://stargate-wiki.de/w/images/thumb/5/5e/ZPM_Detail.jpg/150px-ZPM_Detail.jpg)
The Free Energy research has already discovered Free Energy Devices that works and not only this, they give also insight of how our universe works, how consciousness works.
But this technology is suppressed by the mainstream. This world would not exist with free energy, because all the power is linked to the petrol industry and nuclear power.

How is this technology suppressed?
Mainly with disinformation! For example the biggest disinformation regarding the "Joe Cell" is that it is a electrolyze chamber. But the Joe Cell is a accumulator for a different kind of "energy". Spreading this disinformation most people are not able to replicate this technology.

Consciousness and Energy are related
Free energy is a thread to this world, the information about this technology is a thread, the awareness about it is a thread and therefore an "awakening" would be also a thread. The consciousness is kept on a low level by vaccination, junk food, junk media and junk science. They do everything in order that consciousness of the people remains low. They fear that one day a critical mass of high level conscious people would be achieved and this would destroy their illusionary world made of paper.

Money is a kind of energy
Also money is a kind of energy that is the fundament of this illusory world. Everyone needs to work hard in order to buy things that nobody needs. For example iPad, iPod, iPhone, iMac, iLLusion ... ever wondered about this hype?
The only real necessity human has is a house, a garden and a lovely neighborhood that collaborates together to have a good time. Indeed all started in a garden, in Eden, a perfect paradise. But Satan could not take over power if he was not ready to enslave humanity, by creating a cosmos (reality) based on illusory assumptions. Now all humanity believe that this world is the only choice they have.

The world of Science is enslaved by dogmatism
"Knee in front of your god, the holy particle accelerator! Pray to your higgs boson for salvation! Never ask questions! Accept the mainstream as your only reality!"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/CMS_Higgs-event.jpg/180px-CMS_Higgs-event.jpg)

The mainstream has their own dark gods: Dark Matter, Black Holes, Anti-Matter
A open minded scientist becomes a slap into his face if he question the dogmatic claims of the mainstream.

"Mmmh, sorry Sir, why do you call it Dark Matter? Have you ever seen that there is a kind of matter? Could it not be that we has only misinterpreted our measurement? Perhaps the Electric Universe Theory is true??"
"Shut up and accelerate the particles!"
"... ok ..."

Evolution is the biggest disinformation campaign
Against all the proofs that evolution is never occurred, it is still a dogma that no mainstream science would risk to question, because this world keeps it money only flowing in their own system that supports the animal consciousness and not the divine consciousness. If science would admit that God exist and all proofs of an intelligent designer are evident in nature then nobody would anymore sustain this system. Again a big thread to the system that is suppressed with disinformation.

A interesting note: The Bible was suppressed by the Vatican all the time, because they claimed that a "hell" exist where all the people would burn in eternity if they don't pay money to them in order to get a free pass to heaven. But nowhere in the Bible is a mention about a hell. The contrary is the fact, it is written that God is a god of Love, indeed he is the personalization of Love.
Soon after Luther has translated the Bible from a dead language (latin) into a modern german and Gutenberg has invented the press to print books very fast, the divulgement of the Truth becomes a too big thread for the power of the Vatican, a new disinformation campaign started with the claim that no God exist. Darwin's theory was not based on a scientific ground work, not on knowledge in genetic.
The interesting thing is that Evolution theory was promoted soon after Gutenberg and Luther, after a big chance for the biblical truth to be known.

Soon the biggest agency of disinformation will be removed
The Bible has foretold the End of the False Religion. It says that in "one hour" their destruction will be done. This means that it will be very rapidly removed. Has you noticed the news, how angry now the mainstream is against the church? The Bible says that God himself has put his will to do in the hearts of humans. The governments will act against the False Religions believing that they will do their own will in order to promote their "New World Order". But without being aware of it they will do the perfect will of God. Even if someone of them would read this lines they would not understand it.

See also:
- The Joe Cell Myth http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=110 (http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=110)
- The censorship and suppression of challenging ideas http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=81 (http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=81)
- Till Death Do You Part - A World in Decomposition http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=740 (http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=740)
- The Awakening of the Collective Consciousness and the unavoidable consequences  http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=162 (http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/?p=162)
: the universe is in the eye of the beholder?
: electrobleme May 28, 2010, 14:41:43
We are created in the image of God
What we perceive as reality is a process that involves our consciousness. An “external” reality, if it existed, would by definition have to exist in space. But this is meaningless, because space and time are not absolute realities but rather tools of the human and animal mind.

Without consciousness, “matter” dwells in an undetermined state of probability. Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state.

Like God our creator, we embed the universe in us, in our mind or consciousness. The "outside" world is in reality a communication platform that we create in consensus.
God has created us and we create the universe, but we are not in the universe, we are the universe. God created the blueprint and we re-create all the things following this blueprint (morphic field).

Our reality is a collective thought
The idea that the consciousness is the very center of the “universe” is not new. It has other names like “The Primacy of Consciousness” as proposed by Peter Russell and Ervin Laszlo for example. But Robert Lanza has done a good work, giving the new born baby a name and explaining why life creates the universe rather than the other way around.

great couple of posts peter.

would or will the universe change if everyone believes in a god? will it change physically or some other how?

i find with the idea that our own individual consciousness changing our own frequency and therefore the universe may help explain how "bad" people can view the world totally different to normal people. how they can believe their own universe they are creating with all its mayhem is normal. because it is to them. they do not see an alternative reality because to them there is not one.
: Re: the universe is in the eye of the beholder?
: peter May 28, 2010, 18:38:00
would or will the universe change if everyone believes in a god? will it change physically or some other how?

Yes. It happened in a negative way soon after the original sin.
You can read in Genesis 3:17-19 the following words:
"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” "

The earth was cursed by the "new way of seeing". The "animal" or carnal (materialistic) eyes of Adam and Eve was opened by the serpent, the Devil. This has got a big influence on the elements of the earth, how the life energy flows in the earth, in the weather.

In a positive way the earth will be blessed in the new world when humanity will know God and restores again the "spiritual eye". (This EYE has nothing to do with the eye in the pyramid in the one dollar note. This eye in the pyramid is blasphemy)
We can read about the blessings in Isaiah 65:17-20
“For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart. But exult, YOU people, and be joyful forever in what I am creating. For here I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joyfulness and her people a cause for exultation. And I will be joyful in Jerusalem and exult in my people; and no more will there be heard in her the sound of weeping or the sound of a plaintive cry.”
“No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age; and as for the sinner, although a hundred years of age he will have evil called down upon him.


Is this not a great perspective?!

The "world" is the illusion created to enslave humanity. Our consciousness holds it together by consensus. But we have now no chance to change it by ourself, because it would all end without any chance to survive it. Therefore an divine intervention is necessary that "creates new heaven and earth" replacing this wicked system.
Humans will live forever, animals will not do any harm and the earth will give all it's fruits blessed by God. There is also written that everyone on the planet earth will know God and know what real righteousness is.

The materialistic way of see reality creates this reality. Changing point of view changes also the reality. (1 John 2:15-17)

But I need to admit that for the BIG paradigm shift a intervention of heavens military forces is necessary, because this system is already so cross-linked with our collective consciousness that it would create a big wound in the collective removing it suddenly without an controlled intervention. Therefore one of the requirements is the Judgment of the False Religion that will occur very soon. After removing this abomination the "air" will be respirable.
I am not really sure how much is done by us humans, by our mind, and how much is done by the angels. Perhaps we are not so much distant from each other. Remember the words of Nikola Tesla: there is no such thing as individuality!

i find with the idea that our own individual consciousness changing our own frequency and therefore the universe may help explain how "bad" people can view the world totally different to normal people. how they can believe their own universe they are creating with all its mayhem is normal. because it is to them. they do not see an alternative reality because to them there is not one.

You can to the same conclusion as me. How can the wicked Devil do what he do in spite of the evidence of the Glory of God and his power?
The conclusion is the same as Jesus already once said, that in the Devil is no Truth. He doesn't understand what is the truth because his efforts are all the time to ignore and to spread also disinformation in all his slaves. He lives in his reality, he depends on his reality and he could never transit to another reality because his reality is a cosmos isolated from God's cosmos. Like a rich man that wants to became more and more rich, ignoring the facts that money cannot makes happy. They may go to some psycho seminars, paying much money for learning how to huge a tree. But even if you would take them and confront them with the naked truth, they would ignore it.
: What is God: A unpersonalized intelligent force or more?
: peter May 31, 2010, 15:17:01
Quote from Wikipedia on Pantheism:
"Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical, or that the Universe (including Nature on Earth) is the only thing deserving the deepest kind of reverence."

Is God a unpersonalized form of energy?
I don't know if someone reading our posts on the Electric Universe may think or believe that the whole universe is a kind of god, a energy field so vast and powerful. Easily someone could attribute to the creation a neutral force that is identified in religions as a thing called "god".
If you ask people on their opinion you may receive answers like this:
“He is everywhere, in everything. He is like the wind.”
or
“He is an indefinable intelligence, an abstract force.”

But to what does the scientific logic make aware us in this regard?

Nothing comes from nothing
In Genesis is written that humans was created in the image of God. Everyone of us has a individuality and a name. Our fingerprint, iris and DNA are individual, there are no two that are the same (even by twins and clones, because the DNA is dynamic and not static, depending on the own consciousness).
Therefor God is a individual too, because he has a name! (Matthew 6:9)

Jesus never referred to God as some abstract force. On the contrary, he talked to God and prayed to him. He often called Jehovah his heavenly Father, a term revealing his deep intimacy with God. (John 8:19, 38, 54)

Spirits are individuals
In my newsblog and here in this forum I like to write about the collective consciousness, because it implies so many interesting aspects that are ignored by the mainstream science today. But one fact is that even if a group of people forms a collective consciousness, they will never loose their individuality. Angels and demons has all a name and individuality, so has God too. The individuality is a important aspect of the divine nature.

What about the Holy Spirit?
The Holy Spirit is God's power in action. He can help us with his spirit to accomplish his will. But the Holy Spirit is not a person, it is a force.
The confusion about this fact is spread by the Catholic Church for centuries with the "Trinity" dogma. Did you know that the word "Propaganda" has it's root in the Catholic Church? Disinformation campaigns was very often used in order to misinform the public about the biblical truths. The reason is to hold the power and strengthen their empire.

Praying to God as a person
If one prays to God it is good to use his personal name "Jehovah". The Bible tells that God is interested in the humans on a individual level as also on a collective level. Therefore it is good to make use of the name of God when coming closer to him in prayer.

Individual persons shares a common morphic field
Every language has a morphic field. When I write this words in this post and you read them, they become part of you. My thoughts now in this very moment are in your consciousness. But can you hear my voice? Is it not your voice that you hear? Now my words are your words. In a similar manner praying works. You talk in your consciousness to God, with your spirit, mentioning more times his name, ... be sure he will hear you, because he is the creator of space and time, he can see what you write with your mind into the invisible field.

God is a spirit
An important and essential aspect of God is that he is a spirit and he requires worship in truth and with spirit. What does this mean?
We cannot see God. He is not made of flesh. Even the universe is not able to contain him.

“Will God truly dwell with mankind upon the earth? Look! Heaven, yes, the heaven of the heavens themselves, cannot contain you.”—2 Chronicles 6:18.

God is the perfect proof that the biocentric world view is true. He create us inside his mind, he holds us in existence every nanosecond of our life, every atom is hold together by his spirit.

If we want to worship God we should avoid any use of images! We cannot pray to a thing and expect that God will listen to us. If we pray to a man made idol we pray to a dead thing without consciousness. Only if we pray to God in spirit, in our mind or speaking out loud the words that comes from our mind and heart he will listen. We proof that we recognize his nature as a spiritual being if we pray to him also in spirit.

You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion.”—Exodus 20:4, 5

A correction of the own world view opens new perspectives
Our worldview is like a telescope or a microscope that needs adjustment in order to see clear the truth. Religion is important like science is.

"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Einstein_patentoffice.jpg/220px-Einstein_patentoffice.jpg)

I am sure that soon a reconciliation of science and religion will occur.
: Is the electric universe a god?
: peter June 01, 2010, 16:23:48
The Electric Universe works like a Superorganism
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ff4b2636f9a2.jpg)
The structure of our universe is very similar to a brain. The sun communicates with our earth, the galaxies communicates with the other galaxies and the super-clusters forms a kind of super big neuron cells. Observing this one can come to the conclusion that the universe is a kind of god.

But then we forget that the universe has got a beginning. Indeed science and religion are both concord in the fact that the universe got a beginning.
In Genesis 1:1 is written that God created heaven and earth at the beginning. And in the Psalms is written that God existed in eternity and will exist in eternity. In other parts of the Bible is written that God doesn't change, he is the God of eternity.

Electricity is so electrifying
Yes, the Electric Universe is a wonderful theory that is able to predict many things. And I believe that this theory can be united with the holographic universe theory and the new biocentrism worldview.
Electricity is not researched enough in regard to the "Primacy of Consciousness" that becomes evident studying the Holographic Universe Theory and the Biocentricity.

Maybe someone here in this forum can contribute with insights how consciousness and electricity are related, not only with physical and materialistic science evidences, but also with a new kind of insight, non material. Rupert Sheldrake's theories could be a good starting point.
: Lord Vishnu calling you to seek the Absolute Truth
: electrobleme June 03, 2010, 20:35:14


Lord Vishnu is also seen standing on the whirl of a lotus flower with four hands, which represent the four directions and indicates His absolute power in the four corners of the universe. Each hand holds an item, such as a disc, lotus, conch, and mace. Of the four items, the conch represents the five universal elements. When the conch is blown, it is said to produce a sound related to the original vibration of universal creation. The Lord also blows His conch in calling everyone to turn to the higher reality rather than remaining in the darkness of material existence. This calling is the inner voice which nudges all beings of conscience to seek the Absolute Truth. If man does not heed the call, then the Lord may still use His conch to cut asunder the ego and material attachments of those who do not turn toward the spiritual path.
Lord Vishnu | stephen-knapp.com (http://www.stephen-knapp.com/lord_vishnu.htm)
: Re: Is the electric universe a god?
: electrobleme June 06, 2010, 18:03:24

Maybe someone here in this forum can contribute with insights how consciousness and electricity are related, not only with physical and materialistic science evidences, but also with a new kind of insight, non material. Rupert Sheldrake's theories could be a good starting point.

hello peter, i have been thinking about this but my head is a bit in the aether at the moment because of this event or akashic records thing (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=182.msg1206#msg1206). i have some ideas but getting them together is difficult. i may have to do it a tiny bit at a time instead of trying to do the whole thing
: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Jackson Holly July 18, 2010, 21:13:40

electrobleme:
See also:
- Biocentrism – A Theory of Everything that makes sense - http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/biocentrism-a-theory-of-everything-that-makes-sense/

The Biocentrism Theory seems to be asking the same old question:

"If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?"


Biocentrism says NO ... I say YES.

But this is not to say that I do not relate to certain elements of the notion ... that consciousness/mind
is at the center of the universe.

It sounds somewhat like the Sartrian question:

"Does EXISTENCE PRECEDE ESSENCE?"

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Student: "Master ... are we the mind of God?"

Master: "No grasshopper ... we are the hand of God."

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I think we must trust our senses ... we see it because it is there ... and commonsense
understanding of what is there (including EU & Universe as Mind) is probably correct.
Quantum theory ... Big Bang ... all nonsensical jabberwocky.






: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Mo July 19, 2010, 09:07:04
"If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Like most of these things this is a trick question. It is designed to make one think what a sound really is. It is consciousness, because without the brain to act as the transformer of the physical disturbance to nerve electrical impulses and the the induction of the experiencing of sound, which is consciousness, then there is really just physical vibration.

So the purpose of the question is to make one think about experiencing, consciousness.
Mo
: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Jackson Holly July 20, 2010, 08:39:12
"If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

Like most of these things this is a trick question. It is designed to make one think what a sound really is. It is consciousness, because without the brain to act as the transformer of the physical disturbance to nerve electrical impulses and the the induction of the experiencing of sound, which is consciousness, then there is really just physical vibration.

So the purpose of the question is to make one think about experiencing, consciousness.
Mo

Yah ... and by extension it is asking, "Does the universe exist if there is no comprehending consciousness?"

It seems the BioCentric folks are saying NO ... that consciousness "precedes essence" ... man creates himself.


I was saying, YES ... the universe does indeed exist without man ... man did not create himself (as Sartre says). The "plan", the "blueprint", the "essence" of life/consciousness precedes.

I hope I am making sense!

: Re: god is an Electric Universe?
: Mo July 20, 2010, 11:06:09
Seems like you are discussing the duality of understanding and love. The "plan" as a part of understanding and consciousness as a part of love. Mind and emotion. Perhaps the reincarnating entity and kundalini as the basic male and female symbols. The reincarnating entity gathering understanding and kundalini as the 'female' energy of life and love.

And so does mind and emotion have a common origin or did mind come before feeling, or feeling before mind. Really the significance lies in how action can arise in us from understanding or from love. Thus can one have understanding in action, but yet be short on love, life energy or kundalini. Or have love but no understanding or intelligence. But one can have neither love nor understanding if one's actions arise automatically from the past. This is the real issue.
Mo