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: Orions Belt - the 3 Magi came from the East and followed the Star ?
: electrobleme December 20, 2009, 15:06:34
The three Mages/Astronomers came from the East?

Saturday, December 26

After dinnertime this week, it's Orion-Stack time. That is, Orion and some of his best-known companions form a big vertical stack in the southeast (if you live in the world's mid-northern latitudes). Start with Orion himself. In his middle, the three stars of Orion's Belt are stacked nearly vertically. The Belt points up toward orange Aldebaran, about two fist-widths at arm's length above. Poised higher over Aldebaran is the little Pleiades cluster. In the other direction, Orion's Belt points almost straight down to bright Sirius on the rise in Canis Major, about two fists below.
Orions belt in the east at Christmas -  skyandtelescope .com (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/ataglance/79425637.html)

The New Testament has lots of images in its stories to get across its message or information.  Are the 3 Magi/Mages/Astronomers similar? Were the 3 Astronomers the Stars of Orions Belt?

Christmas star: This week brilliant Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, rises around 7 or 8 p.m. (depending on where you live in your time zone). Orion's Belt points down nearly to its rising point, showing where to watch for it. When Sirius is low it often twinkles in vivid, flashing colors, an effect that binoculars reveal especially clearly.
Orions Belt pointing to Sirius -  skyandtelescope .com (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/ataglance/79425637.html)

Was the Star of Bethlehem the brightest star in the sky Sirius, was it a comet or a star with variable brightness? The Sirius star rises in the East at this time. 3 stars (Magi/astronomers?) pont towards it.

in the days of Herod the king, lo, mages from the east came to Jerusalem,
 2 saying, `Where is he who was born king of the Jews? for we saw his star in the east, and we came to bow to him.'
... 9 And they, having heard the king, departed, and lo, the star, that they did see in the east, did go before them, till, having come, it stood over where the child was.
10 And having seen the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy,
The 3 Mages and the Star - Matthew 2 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway .com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%202&version=YLT)

in the days of king Herod, lo! astrologers [lo! kings, or wise men,] came from the east to Jerusalem,
Matthew 2 (Wycliffe New Testament) - biblegateway .com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%202&version=WYC)

: the Winter Triangle - The Holy Trinity - 3 Mages ... ?
: electrobleme December 20, 2009, 16:05:59

Could stars be the Holy Trinity or the 3 Magi?

Orion's Belt, the Winter Triangle and the Christmas Star

The Holy Trinity?

The ancients worshipped the Planets and Stars as Gods, creators and destroyers of skies, life and each other. Saturday is after all Saturns Day (why would you worship and give a day to a planet that can hardly be seen? (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=175.msg389#msg389)).

Three of the brightest stars in the sky form the Winter Triangle, in the same part of the sky as Orions Belt.

Sirius, the red giant star Betelgeuse, and Procyon in Canis Minor form a popular asterism known as the Winter Triangle.
The 10 Brightest Stars - space.com (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/brightest_stars_030715-1.html)

the Winter Triangle - formed from the stars Procyon, Betelgeuse and Sirius


All stars shine but none do it like Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky. Aptly named, Sirius comes from the Greek word Seirius, meaning, "searing" or "scorching." Blazing at a visual magnitude of -1.42, it is twice as bright as any other star in our sky.

Sirius resides in the constellation Canis Major, the Big Dog, and is commonly called the Dog Star. In ancient Greek times the dawn rising of Sirius marked the hottest part of summer. This is the origin of the phrase "dog days of summer."

Because of Earths 26,000 year precession cycle, in which the planet's axis slowly wobbles due to the gravitational attraction of the Sun and Moon on the Earths equatorial bulge, Sirius no longer marks the hottest part of summer, rising later in the year. Precession gradually changes the location of stars on the celestial sphere.
The 10 Brightest Stars - 1 Sirius - space.com (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/brightest_stars_030715-1.html)


Procyon resides in the small constellation of Canis Minor, the Little Dog. The constellation symbolizes the smaller of Orion’s two hunting dogs (Canis Minor and Canis Major).

The word Procyon is Greek for Before the Dog, for the reason that in the Northern Hemisphere, Procyon announces the rise of Sirius, the Dog Star.
The 10 Brightest Stars - 8 Procyon - space.com (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/brightest_stars_030715-8.html)


...Betelgeuse (pronounced beetle juice by most astronomers) derives its name from an Arabic phrase meaning "the armpit of the central one."

The star marks the eastern shoulder of mighty Orion, the Hunter. Another name for Betelgeuse is Alpha Orionis, indicating it is the brightest star in the winter constellation of Orion. However, Rigel (Beta Orionis) is actually brighter. The misclassification happened because Betelgeuse is a variable star (a star that changes brightness over time) and it might have been brighter than Rigel when Johannes Bayer originally categorized it.
The 10 Brightest Stars - 10 Betelgeuse - space.com (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/brightest_stars_030715-10.html)

: Re: Orions Belt - the 3 Magi came from the East and followed the Star ?
: kevin December 21, 2009, 04:38:52
Just been looking at Orion through a skylight, its due south from here.
I am detecting a standstill in flows right now.10.30 pm gmt.
The sun settles for three days now(dies) and then rises up again ( re-born)
Which is what all of this xmas stuff is about?
I can make out all of the hunters design, it's a clear and cold night here, with a bright star in the south.
: Re: Orions Belt - the 3 Magi came from the East and followed the Star ?
: enigma77 December 03, 2012, 10:51:23
Hi, I'm new to the forums here. I have a problem with your theory. Basically it goes like this: You are basing everything on an assumption that is historically incorrect. Jesus was not born on Dec. 25th. He must have been born in either the spring or summer, but certainly not in December.

The reason Christians celebrate the Birth of Christ on this date has nothing to do with his actual birth. Rather, it has to do with creating an appeal to the pagans and incorporate the winter solstice into the Christian religion.

Btw. I am a student in religious studies and have completed 4 years worth of Christian History/Religion, as well as having grown up Christian.

I'm not trying to ruffle feathers... just trying to understand why you are standing by the 12/25 date.
: Re: Orions Belt - the 3 Magi came from the East and followed the Star ?
: electrobleme December 04, 2012, 21:55:03
Hi, does it say in the bible what the month was or is that something the church later gave us?

if jesus was born and it was in spring or summer then for "orions belt" being the 3 kings or magi that came from the east we would need to look at the sky at those times of years to see what they are doing.

not sure we are saying we believe in jesus but with all the old books/texts we use them to investigate interesting things and the whole 3 kings, star of Bethlehem and choirs of angels is very curious

as implied its more about the natural festivals and things going on with the earth at that time of year, especially kevins stuff :)

have you read the The Electric Universe Bible (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.0) thread yet? be good to have another christians point of view on that, especially about the Nephilim

and no worries about ruffling feathers - everything is meant to be discussed and if an idea/dogma/theory can not be questioned or people do not like it being questioned then that is very wrong. any truth will stand up to questioning.
: Re: Orions Belt - the 3 Magi came from the East and followed the Star ?
: kevin December 10, 2012, 23:05:21
I been away tooooo long....good to be back.
Hello to You enigma77.
I tend to be asked to leave churchs , if I have My dowsing rods with Me.
Does Your studies indicate why that should be???

The flows I detect( perhaps the churchs holy spirit???) are easing to a standstill right now, they have been off the scale recently, and I could feel the tension/s.