The ThunderBobs Project

The Thunderbobs Project™

It has not always been official EU science theories and settled canon in what is now your Thunderbolts Electric Universe®.

In one of those (slightly) alternative history worlds, I’m a Bobliever of The Thunderbobs Project™!

David Talbott, in a 1995 interview with the AEON Journal, answers Dwardu Cardona’s most important question of his and today’s era – What about progress towards developing physical Saturnian models?

David Talbott: I should mention that the work of physicist Bob Driscoll is also potentially very significant because it draws heavily upon electromagnetism.

For a number of reasons, I’m inclined to believe that electromagnetism played a major role in the evolution of the configuration – perhaps even a dominant role in the earliest and possibly most stable phases. Driscoll has emphasized that electromagnetism, in addition to adding a stabilizing force to the in-line arrangement, permits the planets to move in much closer proximity to each other.

With all of this said, there’s still no escaping a kind of stalemate between the historical evidence on the one hand, and scientific skepticism on the other.

But I think we can at least be pleased with the headway, since only a few years ago it looked to all of us as if no resolution of the stalemate was likely, or even conceivable.
The Saturn Thesis: An In-Depth Interview With David Talbott | AEON Journal

Saturn models

There are interesting insights of the ongoing quest for Talbott’s/Thunderbolts’s Saturn Polar Configurations or any Saturn centric solar system that will work for starters.

Saturnian models

What other Proto-Thunderbolts EU theories were considered?

Dwardu Cardona: Throughout the years, continuing research has forced him [David N. Talbott] to change various aspects of his unfolding Saturnian scenario, although the basic premise behind it remains unchanged.

Even so, this has led to a certain amount of confusion among his followers concerning what portions of his work he still believes to be valid and what others need to be re-evaluated, amended, and developed further.

Talbott mentions there were 3 key recent contributors who were reconstructing mechanisms from his Saturn Thesis and they were all Bobs: Bob Grubaugh, Bob Bass, and Bob Driscoll.

Saturn Thesis

Bob Grubaugh

David Talbott: Bob Grubaugh is an engineer with many years of professional experience in orbital calculations. He looked at some interesting possibilities dynamically, and has proposed ways to support the concept of polar alignment.

Bob has suggested a collinear system of planets revolving around its own center of gravity synchronously with the system’s movement around the Sun. One of the interesting possibilities being explored by Grubaugh is a planetary system revolving retrogradely as the system moves progradely around the Sun – such that the line running through the participating planets continues to point to the same background star. In that case, no precession of the pole is necessary to maintain polar alignment.

What I like about this innovative concept is that it potentially removes two objections to the “physically impossible” aspects of the configuration – the sustained planetary conjunction and Earth’s polar alignment – in one stroke. But in its pristine, gravity-only form, the distance between planets (not to mention the implied climatic extremes) won’t satisfy all of the data to be explained. So I’d like to see a consideration of certain variations in the basic scheme.

A Proposed Model for the Polar Configuration: Robert Grubaugh presents a physical model of the polar configuration.
CONTRIBUTORS: Robert Grubaugh, now retired, formerly served as a structural dynamicist for TRW, where his specialty was placing satellites in orbit.
AEON Journal Volume III, Number 3 (October 1993)

In that alternative world they are all in thrall of, where you can find strange intriguing ideas but the best bit is they are mostly bobservable.

Bob Bass

David Talbott: Robert Bass is a former professor of physics and astronomy and perhaps the most wide-ranging and brilliant fellow I’ve ever had the pleasure of meeting. Over a period of several months, he looked at aspects of Grubaugh’s work and added some significant details.

Particularly interesting is Bass’ calculation of tidal friction on the participating bodies, showing that, though the forces are extremely small, tidal friction works to stabilize a configuration that, despite the theoretical equilibrium, might otherwise be explosively unstable.

Bass also carefully examined a unique coordinate system Grubaugh developed for his simulations and was able to confirm that, in the case of a collinear arrangement, this coordinate system allows greater accuracy than the coordinates usually employed in integration routines.

Additionally, as a very pleasant surprise growing out of his work on the Grubaugh models, Bass believes he’s succeeded in mathematically deriving Bode’s Law, a well-known empirically-based statement of the spatial relationships between planets in the solar system.

Though I could never do justice to Bass’ mathematics, his work would suggest that planets might have moved in a primitive system, entered a period of chaos, and then, with surprising rapidity, settled into their current positions. His calculations show that, in a chaotic system, the planets will continually bump each other resonantly until they achieve a defined equilibrium, wherein they experience the least interaction. At those equilibrium positions, which accord with Bode’s empirical “law,” a computer retro-calculation would deceptively suggest that they had been in those positions for countless millions of years, even if they arrived at those positions only yesterday on the geological time scale.

We have received valuable comments and suggestions from mathematician and astronomer Dr. Robert Bass
The Electric Universe book |

The ThunderBobs Conference

The ThunderBobs Project

This year’s ThunderBobs Conference theme from star speaker, Bob Talbott:

A Polar Configuration?: No one is asked to believe anything about planets.

The fundamental claim to be investigated first is well established and agreed upon: Was a Polar Configuration, electrical in nature, once witnessed around the world? Can its existence be proven on rational and scientific grounds?

The investigation is interdisciplinary and has united specialists in at least 10 to 12 scientific and historical disciplines.
Talbott’s archived Wikipedia Biographical entry |

In this real universe the Thunderbolts Group have always had to consider alternative ideas. That is why in their history and future they are open to new perspectives.

Saturn Polar Configurations

Your theory must have those good EU legs though, like the new model of the atom.

From Myth to a Physical Model: Dave Talbott offers some mythical guidelines for a physical model of the polar configuration.
CONTRIBUTORS: David Talbott was the publisher of Pensée magazine’s series, Immanuel Velikovsky Reconsidered. He is the author of The Saturn Myth.
AEON Journal Volume III, Number 3 (October 1993)

Andrew “Bob” Hall is another investigator who’s electromagnetic geology and physical processes interlinked with EU theory. Bob Hall had no clue Thunderbolts existed when he was forming his Arc Blast and other ideas.

Introducing investigators with interlinking processes to EU followers through their Space News videos and at conferences in the Break Out room or on the main conference stage as guest speakers.