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Ghar Dalam- evidence of catastrophe
« on: August 18, 2010, 06:30:09 »
Velikovsky features Ghar Dalam in his Earth in Upheaval, as an example of many limestone 'bone traps' around Europe. I have always been intrigued by his notion that the poles shifted suddenly and enormous tidal waves washed the planet a few thousand years ago.

The evidence in the cave is broken bone from creatures North and South of Malta. There are many such sites, even in UK, but here we can see the actual layers of gravel and detritus piled nearly to the ceiling of the cave. This lines up with the demise of mammoth carcasses (etc), not only washed into massive mountains in the Arctic Sea but frozen in mud in Siberia.

Recent Thunderbolts.info discussions follow Dwardo Cordona (Maltese Canadian) and his Saturnian Myth story. I am starting to come round to this idea as explained by Wal Thornhill in his recent lecture to the SIS at Redhill (10/07/10). Massive amounts of water were involved in the 'Ice Age' periods and there must have been serious disturbances to our planet during the move between Saturn (Red Dwarf) and the Sun (variable White star). What went on in the Med? ::)

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Ghar Dalam layers - fossils, pebbles, calcareous and red soil
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2010, 20:09:22 »
Ghar Dalam layers - fossils, pebbles, calcareous and red soil


Ghar Dalam cave Malta - stalagmite (speleothem) and layers including pebbles and dwarf/giant animals


The Ghar Dalam cave in Malta is an amazing place for geology and fossils. The Ghar Dalam caves formation itself is a real puzzle to geologists and so is the idea of how the fossils got there. The information given does not really explain what you can see and how come their are so many different animala, from dwarf hippos to giant swans, that have been found smashed to pieces near the cave entrance.

Why and how did land and water animals end up in this location? Why and how does the Ghar Dalam stalagmite go through the fossil layers? Why does Ghar Dalam have a pebble layers and especially what is the importance of the calcerous layers that are found? Why does Ghar Dalam have a red soil layer on its top?


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Large dry stalactites and stalagmites up to 60 cm across occur in considerable quantities. These must have formed before the bones were deposited, as they bisect the bone bearing deposits, a factor which has protected the formations.
THE ENVIRONMENT DURING THE PLIESTOCENE PERIOD | Ghar Dalam | shadowservices.com

Can the answers to the many puzzles of the Ghar Dalam cave be found in an Electric Universe?






Ghar Dalam - layers mentioned by velikovsky in his Earth In Upheaval book


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Excavations revealed that the floor of the cave had five different layers. In the lower layers were enormous quantities of fossilised bones, tusks and teeth belonging to extinct species - such as dwarf elephants and dwarf hippopotami - along with red deer (Cervus elaphus), brown bear (Urus actus), wolf (Canis lupis), fox (Canis vulpes) and giant swan (Cygnus falconen). As these are all animals associated with Europe this is proof that Malta was once connected to the European mainland rather than the African mainland.
G?ar Dhalam - The Dark Cave - The Cave of Darkness - Elephant Cave | showcaves.com

Where the animals washed onto Malta and into the Ghar Dalam by one or a number of the Great Floods catastrophes that struck the earth and the Mediterranean? Are Ghar Dalam and the other fossil caves on Malta proof of the deluge?

Or where the animals attracted/pulled to these areas when Malta was struck by an Electric Universe catastrophe?



Malta's Ghar Dalam cave strate and fossils - pebble layers and fossilised bones


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A number of endemic species which were generally characterised by dwarfism of the herbivore mammals and gigantism of rodent, reptilian and avian species. Similar species development has also been reported from other Mediterranean small islands.

A large number of species have been excavated from the various Late Upper Pleistocene deposits on the Maltese Islands, the prevalent animals appear to have been stunted forms of deer (Cervus elaphus), scanty remains of small sized carnivores (Ursus, vulpes, canis), and remains of bats, voles, birds, turtles and amphibians. Deposits of this period are typically referred to as Cervus or Pitymys melitensis layer. Stratification studies of trenches dug at Ghar Dalam suggest that the Cervus layer frequently had incorporated hippopotami and elephant remains in the lower layers, in association with Carnivores and Cervus. Human remains and artefacts were also found in this stratigraphical layer. The uppermost layer of the Cervus horizon was apparently devoid of carnivores and pacchyderms.
THE ENVIRONMENT DURING THE PLIESTOCENE PERIOD | Ghar Dalam | shadowservices.com


Where the animals structure changed by the catastrophe event or before? Catastrophe Evolution? What happened to the environment of the Mediterraneans smaller islands that giant and dwarf animals were born on them? Or where the fossil remains of the mega and micro animals washed onto all of them?

What is really interesting is that the dwarf elephant (Elephas falconeri) and dwarf hippopotamuses have been found in the same layer as with human remains. Malta is a dry island with not much greenery at all. The amount of fossil bones found at Ghar Dalam is mind blowing, all totally seperated and a lot in breccia.

How could the island of Malta support this many dwarf elephants and dwarf hippopotamuses when there is no greenery, there are no running rivers or lakes?



Ghar Dalam cave near Birzebguga - strata and official information or guesses


Ghar Dalam show cave - hippopotamus layer and bone free clay layer information


the above photographs of the official Ghar Dalam cave information show that water appears to have affected or been a part of the fossil formation. But what happened and when?



Ghar Dalam cave stalagmite showing the calcareous layers that run through the cave


The fascinating stalactites and stalagmites in the Ghar Dalam cave may show that geology is not correct and certainly the ideas about the formation of Ghar Dalam and its fossils could be explained in an Electric Universe.


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Large dry stalactites and stalagmites up to 60 cm across occur in considerable quantities. These must have formed before the bones were deposited, as they bisect the bone bearing deposits, a factor which has protected the formations.
THE ENVIRONMENT DURING THE PLIESTOCENE PERIOD | Ghar Dalam | shadowservices.com


Do the calcareous layers show where there has been an electrical current discharge flowing through the cave and transforming the material? Or are they deposit layers during a velikovsky type Catastrophe?

Are some stalagmites the result of electrical events and are a variation of the massive crystal caves that can be found?

For these stalagmites to be formed through the fossil bone layers of Ghar Dalam the material forming them would have had to drip down throughout the millenia. it would have had to stop and then start again when the calcareous layers happened. evolution is supposed to be a slow process. while the stalagmite was being formed giant and dwarf animals evolved on the island of Malta.

the more sensible ideas from the evidence you can read and see for yourself , although it may go against geology theory, is that the stalagmite was formed at the same time as the fossil layers in a quick period of time, or, that it was formed quickly before or afterwards. there are of course other possibilities but those are for starters


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Ghar Dalam- evidence of catastrophe and the Great Deluges
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 00:45:26 »
Velikovsky features Ghar Dalam in his Earth in Upheaval, as an example of many limestone 'bone traps' around Europe. I have always been intrigued by his notion that the poles shifted suddenly and enormous tidal waves washed the planet a few thousand years ago.

The evidence in the cave is broken bone from creatures North and South of Malta. There are many such sites, even in UK, but here we can see the actual layers of gravel and detritus piled nearly to the ceiling of the cave. This lines up with the demise of mammoth carcasses (etc), not only washed into massive mountains in the Arctic Sea but frozen in mud in Siberia.

Recent Thunderbolts.info discussions follow Dwardo Cordona (Maltese Canadian) and his Saturnian Myth story. I am starting to come round to this idea as explained by Wal Thornhill in his recent lecture to the SIS at Redhill (10/07/10). Massive amounts of water were involved in the 'Ice Age' periods and there must have been serious disturbances to our planet during the move between Saturn (Red Dwarf) and the Sun (variable White star). What went on in the Med? ::)


yep, what did happen in the Med?

the "temples of malta" were found pushed or fallen over to the east and the opening of Ghar Dalam cave faces west. I will have a look to see if the fossil caves near the Mnajdra Temple complex and the Misqa tanks also face west. I suspect they do as they are on the west coast.

there is the idea that the water came from other planets during interactions with the earth, there are a couple of mentions of it on the forum and this is one of the threads that discusses the idea

what did Velikovsky say about Ghar Dalam or is it just a short thing? looking forward to seeing the video that Wal made :) anything he say that would explain Ghar Dalam?

one thing about Ghar Dalam is i wonder if a few things happened to it, either at different times or as part of the same event? with the layers of different material, breccia and the fact that you have some partly fossilised bones and others not.

i will add some more photos about Ghar Dalam soon

« Last Edit: August 19, 2010, 04:59:41 by electrobleme »