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Title: universal waffle
Post by: Mo on February 13, 2010, 11:11:19
It has been difficult for me to keep up with the pace of this forum. The energy demonstrated here has been extraordinary. And I've been busy, but now I have time for a bit of a waffle.

People don't realise the immensity of the subject of unravelling the past. There is a collective consciousness of humanity and there is a consciousness even greater. By repressing one's own personal past one also represses this collective consciousness. And by repressing our collective past we are repressing the consciouness beyond.

This means that we do this work of unravelling the past so that those people who have access to the collective consciousness can, through understanding this past, clear a channel to the greater consciousness.
My belief is that such a being would have enormous healing energy through time reversal. So this is my own personal motivation, not that I have such access to the collective consciousness. This involves reaching conception when the collective consciousness joined my body, then a single cell. And to understand the forces that chose the genes that became part of my DNA. One gets to conception through birth and the foetal period. In other words by accessing further back one gets closer to the collective consciousness of humanity.

Of course such psychotherapy is dangerous, and the experience gained by modern therapists who allow such access, is invaluable for sure. The stunning work of Janov cannot be underestimated in it's value to humanity. But neither can the abilities of the ancient shaman be overlooked. Not very 'electric' but plenty of 'universe' in this posting.
Mo
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: peter on February 13, 2010, 17:54:23
Hi Mo!

It has been difficult for me to keep up with the pace of this forum. The energy demonstrated here has been extraordinary. And I've been busy, but now I have time for a bit of a waffle.

 :) For me too! This forum is so full of energy. I have no time to follow all posts and to reply. Every time I login to read some post I learn more and more. The implications are so deep and my understanding of my own faith is with the Electric-Universe-Theory in no contrast.

People don't realise the immensity of the subject of unravelling the past. There is a collective consciousness of humanity and there is a consciousness even greater. By repressing one's own personal past one also represses this collective consciousness. And by repressing our collective past we are repressing the consciouness beyond.

This means that we do this work of unravelling the past so that those people who have access to the collective consciousness can, through understanding this past, clear a channel to the greater consciousness.
My belief is that such a being would have enormous healing energy through time reversal. So this is my own personal motivation, not that I have such access to the collective consciousness. This involves reaching conception when the collective consciousness joined my body, then a single cell. And to understand the forces that chose the genes that became part of my DNA. One gets to conception through birth and the foetal period. In other words by accessing further back one gets closer to the collective consciousness of humanity.

The Awakening of the collective consciousness is not avoidable!
But in order that the "Awakening" starts to the right time without harming to much people, some entities in a spiritual realm keep the process under control.

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1  After this I saw four angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow upon the earth or upon the sea or upon any tree. 2  And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrising, having a seal of [the] living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3  saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”  - Revelation 7:1,2

Of course such psychotherapy is dangerous, and the experience gained by modern therapists who allow such access, is invaluable for sure. The stunning work of Janov cannot be underestimated in it's value to humanity. But neither can the abilities of the ancient shaman be overlooked. Not very 'electric' but plenty of 'universe' in this posting.
Mo

You are right. Accessing a big morphic field such these of the hole collective consciousness is very dangerous. But why should we access directly this field?
There are other possibilities to get free energy for healing. For example by contemplating about God and his creation, his purpose for the earth and his kingdom. Praying to him we surely will not accidentally connect to a morphic field that could burn our nervous system (Kundalini shocks). Instead God is able to direct our thoughts to a greater understanding of our nature. The idea of being a part of a collective then will not be anymore only a abstract idea. It becomes a matter of course.

Peter
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: Mo on February 14, 2010, 05:11:38
To consider what happens at death one must know what constitutes a person. Consciousness, experiencing, is a totally different order of thing to the physical body. Memory seems to be ubiquitous and it is likely that each gene contains the memories of every ancestor that contained that gene in it's DNA. If the purpose of life is to evolve then having something that learns from every incarnation is only logical. But the self is put together through ordinary learning and memory in one life so this self has not reincarnated.

Just as in sleep, consciousness, experiencing, does not die, so in death, consciousness, experiencing, lives on. Also something that learns understanding might continue to exist. And the self, although physically formed, might be separate to the physical body and so continue to exist after death. Of course that is if consciousness responds to the vibrations of the self after death. Otherwise the self could still continue to produce the thoughts and emotional vibrations, but the connection to consciousness having been broken at death, then no experiencing or feeling would occur. If this connection is not broken then the self could be flooded by past trauma and great pain would ensue perhaps until the self disintegrates through time. 

Then I propose that the traumatic factors that we have to deal with are:
1/ The traumatic experiences of our early life. This mostly involves foetal, birth, and babyhood experiences.
2/ The traumatic experiences bound up with each gene we have, that are our ancestor's experiences.
3/ The traumatic experiences that the reincarnating entity undergoes each lifetime.
4/ The traumatic experience of being wedded to a physical body at conception.
5/ Traumatic vibrations from the memories of the environment and people.

All of these things interfere with the ability of consciousness to produce feeling and action. In other words divine action and feeling is within us all, it is just this big pile of rubbish baggage that hinders such action and feeling.
Mo
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: peter on February 14, 2010, 05:52:19
Then I propose that the traumatic factors that we have to deal with are:
...

All of these things interfere with the ability of consciousness to produce feeling and action. In other words divine action and feeling is within us all, it is just this big pile of rubbish baggage that hinders such action and feeling.
Mo

The interesting thing of Genesis and the first sin is that the very first symptom was shame!
Shame is rooted in the first chakra. The first chakra is related to pain, the second to sexual desire and fertility.
We can read in Genesis 3 how the first sin affected the first and the second chakra:

"16  To the woman he said: “I shall greatly increase the pain of your pregnancy; in birth pangs you will bring forth children, and your craving will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.”
17  And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18  And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19  In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
"

So after the first sin not only the humans was affected from separating from God, the earth too become cursed. Maybe the human affects with it's consciousness the earth too, the microorganism in the earth or even the weather ...

We as a collective, do we influence the weather?
Personally I believe that this is possible, because one of the first commandments was to subdue the earth. But later after the sin this commandment was not repeated. And Jesus as a perfect human being was able to control the weather.

Later the Bible tells that the first Kings appear in Israel. Common themes of the third chakra then emerged.

When Jesus was born the themes of the fourth chakra emerged and during the Pentecost themes of the fifth chakra emerged.

Now in our modern days themes of the sixth chakra are actual. Soon the seventh chakra will "opened" for humanity. But for many people it will be a very painful process, because the missed to prepare for it. Surely the seventh chakra is a reconnection to the divine realm, enabling us to see the King sitting on his throne.

Such a "opening of energy gates" is painful for most people. You for sure know the phenomenon of the "spiritual crisis"!?!
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: Mo on February 14, 2010, 12:31:30
So after the first sin not only the humans was affected from separating from God, the earth too become cursed. Maybe the human affects with it's consciousness the earth too, the microorganism in the earth or even the weather ...         Peter

So you are suggesting a 'world' consciousness incorporating all the creatures.

Surely the seventh chakra is a reconnection to the divine realm, enabling us to see the King sitting on his throne.    Peter

To me the King sitting on his throne means a blazing planet with four Birkeland currents appearing to come from this planet, thus appearing to be a throne or maybe a carriage under the planet. And so a big kundalini awakening could allow one to access this past experience of our ancestors, and so actually to see the sky of those ancient days. However the pain of the experiences of the ancestors is too great to endure, and the experiences remain repressed. Also such an experience of the ancient sky would not be recognised as such, but rather one would think that one is experiencing god or strange creatures or fairies, etc. It is here that understanding the past can greatly assist the kundalini awakening process.
Mo
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: peter on February 14, 2010, 17:23:52
So after the first sin not only the humans was affected from separating from God, the earth too become cursed. Maybe the human affects with it's consciousness the earth too, the microorganism in the earth or even the weather ...         Peter

So you are suggesting a 'world' consciousness incorporating all the creatures.

Yes, similar. A hierarchy within this holographic universe, the human as a conscious "divine" species and all animals together with the earth are a kind of subconscious realm. Carl Jung's archetypes are then not only symbols common to every human, but a language of the common consciousness level.
Before the first sin humans was on "top of the pyramid". But now we are "similar to animals" because we are "all short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
Title: universal waffle rocks
Post by: electrobleme on February 15, 2010, 03:58:21

This involves reaching conception when the collective consciousness joined my body, then a single cell. And to understand the forces that chose the genes that became part of my DNA.

Mo

is our lifes path random. do we choose or are we chosen. is it only those who are receptive/adaptive/intune who hear and see the path that they need to follow. could anyone be the right person if they were in the right place at the right time.

were you chosen before birth, when your DNAs genes gathered together in that unique structure. do some people feel like they have a distinct calling/path/mission because they do.

can you avoid it?

for any awakening will there be a sudden or over generations a change in humans DNA to allow us to cope/dampen/filter the past trauma and the future trauma/knowledge/experience/truth that this will reveal?
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: Mo on February 15, 2010, 20:20:11
is our lifes path random. do we choose or are we chosen.  electrobleme

More than anyone would believe, our past determines our future. But any number of ancestral experiences can be resonated into controlling our actions, to the greater extent. From the point of view of the being that it there before conception, these resonant situations are known. This being can produce action now, so the past need not control us, but effectively it does.

The correct path to follow is simply to see that our actions are controlled by the past, and in understanding the intricacies of this, we can become free of the past. Then that being within us can produce divine action and feeling from our bodies and minds.

This being, knowing the future, maps out a path for us in choosing our genes. But this choice is limited, especially by the traumatic experiences of the past that are 'attached' to each gene. Nevertheless this being is within us and can cause action, but a 'calling' is probably ancestral because our ancestors had such a strong need to explain the fate that befell them. The destructive planetary gods made our ancestors obsessed with such gods, and now we resonate with that obsession. The being within just wants us to be free of the past.

Our DNA does change as we free ourselves from the past, and such changes our passed on to our children, so that people with abilities like Kevin can probably find some ancestor that meditated or was shamanic. It is a long process.
Mo
Title: higher educate them
Post by: electrobleme on April 27, 2010, 22:00:08
i have always wondered why some countries or peoples are like they are, why races have certain characteristics,why some countries appear to be more peaceful than others, why the peoples themselves have different abilities or logic. economics, education, social etiquette and short term history etc do play their part but it seems something far more deeper is involved.

would the peoples of one country act and be the same if they were moved to another country far away, if they had no memory of the move and thought it was the same country?

what would happen to a country if the education system suddenly started teaching the stuff mentioned about dna/aksahicrecords and taught about the catastrophy that has happened to them? what would happen to the people and their interaction with the rest of the world?

Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: kevin on April 28, 2010, 00:59:17
Electrobleme,

Consider about the relative geometries at different positions on the globe.
Consider about the inputs relative to position.
Think of how the bee's create a queen, they turn the geometric pods of twenty through ninty degrees and enlarge them.
Think about the incoming field from the sun meeting the out going field of here and the different geometries that will occur relative to position on this sphere.
A transmutation will occur but will only be evident over long time scales.
I consider this is why we struggle against southern hemisphere rugby teams etc, as they are morphing into larger beings, they may become giants in time.
Kevin
Title: no missing link because we are every link in the chain?
Post by: electrobleme on April 28, 2010, 04:21:53
and why peoples from the same country look similar... the morphic field of the land influencing the dna and shaping it. even white americans look similar and they have only had 400 years of breeding and a constant flow and death of people yet you can look at an american and guess they are. why scandinavians look so scandi etc.

if the energy coming in and going out changes then you have the physical change to humans and animals. from giant to pygmy back to giant.

why there is no "missing link" because there is no missing link. no missing link because we are every link in the chain? its just the breed of humans changing shape and sizes within a generation after a catastrophe or would it take longer than that?
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: kevin on April 28, 2010, 06:21:49
Electrobleme,
                    If all is one, a base substance that is akin to been a solid, thus it is everywhere and everything is within it?
Then if whatever formulates within it is subject to geometry of an overall field that is scalar to whatever pont in that solid You observe it from, and that upon that geometry flows for want of a better word the sound that compresses and then compounds to become what We know as mass and matter.
Then if a situation such as this is the basis of creation, it would only need a hiccup in the flow of sound to cause a transmutation in the created compounds in the hiccups path?
Then instant transmutation would explain what is now considered to have taken millions of years could occur in the blink of an eye.
We do have very powerfull fields about ourselves, so whilst less powerfull substances may transmute almost instantly, We may be able to better sustain our current formulation better and transmute slower therefore.
Kevin
Title: Re: no missing link because we are every link in the chain?
Post by: peter on April 28, 2010, 19:56:51
and why peoples from the same country look similar... the morphic field of the land influencing the dna and shaping it. even white americans look similar and they have only had 400 years of breeding and a constant flow and death of people yet you can look at an american and guess they are. why scandinavians look so scandi etc.

Thanks electrobleme for this idea!

So if a human would live forever, the morphic field of the whole earth would influence his DNA.

Does the morphic field of a land also influence the language?
If yes, then humans that lives forever would also has only one language, one that is influenced by the whole earth instead from a single country. This would dissolve all illusory borders of the countries, states, nationalities etc.

I mean observing the pictures of the earth magnetic field this should become so obvious. Because this gigantic fields penetrate the whole earth, inside and outside. And the earth magnetic field is similar to the magnetic fields of (healthy) biological cells.
Title: Who will the Queen Bee?
Post by: electrobleme on May 02, 2010, 23:08:13

spoke to a chap today who keeps bees. this is what he said

he said that the Queen Bee lives for 2 to 3 years and produces 2000 eggs a day! the workers bees only live 4 to 6 weeks in summer so there needs to be a constant supply. when the queen starts to get older her egg production reduces so the bee hive and the workers notice that there are less workers than there should be. so they grow a new queen bee.

how they grow a new queen bee is they pick an egg, eat away at the pentagon (powergon) cell walls to increase the space and then feed it royal jelly. this helps it to grow much larger than the others. he can tell when a new queen is being produced because of the enlarged powergon for the new queen.

so is there a different way, an EU way this could be happening?

do the worker bees feel the morphic field fo the queen is different and know its time to produce a new queen? do they decide or does the queen tell them?

i tried to find out about the angle of the queen bee, was the cell always in a certain direction (as suggested by kevin), does the queen bee grow in a certain direction, but he did not understand the question. not surprising as its not a question he is likely to have been asked or thought about.

does the amount of royal jelly change the morphic field in that area, concentrate it etc. its not because of the royal jelly that the queens are produced its what the royal jelly does to the morphic field that changes the bees dna. something amazing happens.

of course another question is are those larvae totally random or is there something different about them? is the cells field they are in a deciding factor?

Royal jelly is made up of 60 - 70 % water, 12 - 15 % protein, 10 - 16 % sugars, and 3 - 6 % fats.  vitamins, salts, and free amino acids  are in the rest of it.


which leads to another question about babies and the solutions they are grown in. of course they make a difference but what difference does the adding of chemicals or energy do to a baby. is it not the chemical that makes the difference by is it the electrical energy difference or morphic field that changes the dna?

Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: kevin on May 03, 2010, 17:26:20
During the recent renovations at rosslyn Chapel they have discovered intentional hollow pinnacles with a hole from the centre of a rose carving left so bees could nest in them.
The pinnacle point will be geometrically exactly where the bees want to be, and the masons and templars will have known this, and thus left provision for the bees, and for those who can see the clues to see them, but not just with Your eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo
Kevin
Title: churches and are the place to Bee - Rosslyn Chapel
Post by: electrobleme on May 04, 2010, 17:02:31
During the recent renovations at rosslyn Chapel they have discovered intentional hollow pinnacles with a hole from the centre of a rose carving left so bees could nest in them.
The pinnacle point will be geometrically exactly where the bees want to be, and the masons and templars will have known this, and thus left provision for the bees, and for those who can see the clues to see them, but not just with Your eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo
Kevin


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Rosslyn-Chapel-bees-hive-north-pinnacle.jpg)
Rosslyn Chapel bees hive in the north pinnacle


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Honeycombs were found abandoned inside the hive in the north pinnacle, but, equally strangely, the hive on the south pinnacle did not have an entry hole for bees and therefore had not been occupied.

Mr Mitchell said: “It’s just another of Rosslyn’s mysteries. The north pinnacle was full of honeycombs which had been abandoned for some considerable years. The honey had all dried up.”

The experts believe the interior of the hives were lined with a coating to prevent the wild bees from gnawing away at the stonework...

There is anecdotal evidence that visitors to the chapel, which dates back to 1446, used to be disturbed by bees. Mr Mitchell said some of the staff at the Rosslyn Trust were aware some years ago that there had been bees going into the cavity. The hives have now been reinstated within the rebuilt pinnacles on the roof of the chapel.
Rosslyn Chapel discovery is causing a buzz | timesonline.co.uk (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article7080735.ece)


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/bee-hive-stone-pinnacle-honeycomb-Rosslyn-Chapel.jpg)
the bee hive honeycomb found at Rosslyn Chapel in scotland


Sacred Bees and Rosslyn Chapel | The British Society of Dowsers (http://forum.britishdowsers.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1839) mentions the ley lines etc. this forum post has a number of very interesting links to other posts and sites.


there is also this video (http://article.wn.com/view/2010/03/30/Rosslyn_Chapel_was_haven_for_bees/), not exactly very good camera work but it does show the pinnacles on the roof of Rosslyn Chapel


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The predecessor of the present church had medieval and earlier 17thC features, and a curious 'bee-hive' bell-turret, though Theophilus Jones at the beginning of the 19thC claimed that the church had been rebuilt in 1690. In a detailed discussion Williams described the building as consisting of a nave, north aisle and chancel, and a south porch that had a pointed arch to the doorway of uncertain date. The bell-turret had circular openings and a peculiar string course, and was considered to be 18thC.
Church of St Bridget , Llansantffraed juxta Usk | Brecknockshire Churches Survey  (http://www.cpat.demon.co.uk/projects/longer/churches/brecon/16886.htm)
Title: Bee King - egyptian pharaohs
Post by: electrobleme on May 04, 2010, 17:25:17

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Bee-keeping

When the Sun weeps a second time, and lets fall water from his eyes, it is changed into working bees; they work in the flowers of each kind, and honey and wax are produced instead of water.
pSalt 825, first millennium BCE


The first official mention recognizing the importance of honey dates from the first dynasty, when the title of "Sealer of the Honey" is given; the oldest pictures of bee-keepers in action are from the Old Kingdom: in Niuserre's sun temple bee-keepers are shown blowing smoke into hives as they are removing the honey-combs. After extracting the honey from the combs it was strained and poured into earthen jars which were then sealed. Honey treated in this manner could be kept years. From the New Kingdom on mentions of honey become more frequent, but only four depictions of honey production and no actual hives have been found.

The main centre of bee-keeping was Lower Egypt with its extensive irrigated lands full of flowering plants, where the bee was chosen as a symbol for the country. Since earliest times one of the pharaohs' titles was Bee King,  and the gods also were associated with the bee. The sanctuary in which Osiris was worshipped, was the Hwt bjt, the Mansion of the Bee.

The Egyptians had a steady honey supply from their domesticated bees, but they seem to have valued wild honey even more. Honey hunters, often protected by royal archers, would scour the wild wadis for bee colonies.

I appointed for thee archers and collectors of honey, bearing incense to deliver their yearly impost into thy august treasury.
Papyrus Harris, donation to the temple of Re at Heliopolis, New Kingdom [28]
Bee-keeping | reshafim.org (http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/beekeeping.htm)


The island of Malta is known as the land of Honey, Melita. Although that may not have been its origins. Its honey is famous so it may just be the reason but with all the history and "temples" there could be another reason. I was told there were a number of islands in the Mediterranean called Melita or honey.

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Malta

The Maltese honey, from the superior quality of which the island was supposed to derive its name of Melita  (i.e. Greek meli, gen. melitos = honey)

It is even probable that the Phoenicians gave the island its name, which seems to be derived from the verb "malat", "to take refuge" and to mean, therefore, "the place of refuge".
Malta | newadvent.org (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09574a.htm)


the maltese bee keeper i spoke to explained to me about why honey bees go drowsy when you smoke em. its not that the smoke makes them drowsy they assume that there is a wildfire, the workers eat and digest all the honey in the hive to keep it safe and transport it to the new hive of safety. the large amounts of honey they have in them makes them drowsy!

he also said that bee hives where the honeycombs are being produced are amazingly clean, not a speck of debris can be found
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: kevin on May 06, 2010, 00:55:54
Electrobleme,
                       I watch bees very closely, and I check where they build their hives.
There were two last year in the walls of the chuch 100 yards from Me now.
I also watch them when they swarm and where they land.
They are brilliant but brilliant dowsers, that which I follow, they follow.
But they are far more advanced than Myself.
With all the digital signals now been unleashed about this planet I feel they are under stress to make sense of what has suddenly arrived, they are lost.
We have opened pandoras box without any notion of the consequences.
Kevin
Title: Re: universal waffle
Post by: electrobleme on May 06, 2010, 05:27:43
Electrobleme,
                       I watch bees very closely, and I check where they build their hives.
There were two last year in the walls of the chuch 100 yards from Me now.
I also watch them when they swarm and where they land.
They are brilliant but brilliant dowsers, that which I follow, they follow.
But they are far more advanced than Myself.
With all the digital signals now been unleashed about this planet I feel they are under stress to make sense of what has suddenly arrived, they are lost.
We have opened pandoras box without any notion of the consequences.
Kevin

the massive increase in electromagnetic waves must have hurt everything, increases in human disease like cancer perhaps, people using computer monitors and tv screens, pigeons getting lost, whales mass beaching themselves

and of course the fact that the police in the uk have set up their system of powerful communication towers at the frequency of the brain (or so we are told)

the death of bees and wasps would help the gm companies and then a world govt thats for sure ...

all accidental or all deliberate?

kevin, are you saying that people would have used bees to find ley lines and energy places, thats why they encouraged them to live near them (apart from the honey of course)?
Title: electric bees
Post by: electrobleme on May 08, 2010, 02:28:47

found this while reading the book the great english earthquake (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=243.msg1045#msg1045) by peter haining

*p140 - readers letter to the essex weekly news on april 23rd
"the following curious fact may perhaps be of interest to some of your agricultural readers:- i was attending to my hives on tuesday morning at about a quarter past nine, when the bees, which had hitherto been busily working, suddenly ceased, and whithout apparent reason became torpid. in fact it seemed as though the inhabitants of each hive and been stricken with paralysis.
as i was endeavouring to ascertain the cause of this eccentric behaviour, the earthquake passed, and caused the hive to oscillate very perceptibly for several seconds. after the shock had ceased, the bees slowly recovered consiousness and resumed work.
this is by no means the first instance on record of this extraordinary foreknowledge on the part of bees and kindred insects, for in countries where earthquakes are of frequent occurrence the same thing has often been noticed."
Title: warning sound - bee on your guard
Post by: electrobleme on June 02, 2010, 20:32:43
do bees/wasps make a noise to warn off predators? perhaps not even the noise itself is the warning but the frequency of the energy given off may warn those much further away than sound or those that cant hear the sound. after all animals are very electric.

why would they waste energy making a noise?

do planets and trees leaves rustle for a variation of this purpose? to attract the appropriate plants and animals they need?

are the leaves designed to make a certain noise at a certain frequency?

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(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/xearth/bees-colour-stripes-xanthopus-canairensis.jpg)
bees colour and stripes including xanthopus and canairensis


Bumblebees' distinctive bright yellow and black stripes may not be what keeps them safe from their enemies, scientists say.

A UK study has shown that other aspects of bees' behaviour may matter more than the classic bee colour to keep predators away.

This could be the way bumblebees fly or perhaps the buzzing sound they make, say the scientists.

The results of the study were published in the Journal of Zoology.

Scientists have long believed that once flying predators get stung by a bee, they remember their experience and in the future rely strongly on colour cues to identify their prey.

"The first time a bird eats a brightly coloured bumblebee it gets a nasty surprise. Remembering the bee's bright colours may help the bird to avoid making the same mistake again," said Dr Nigel Raine from the School of Biological Sciences at Royal Holloway, University of London, a researcher on the study.

Birds perceive the world differently to humans, being able to see light in the ultraviolet range of the spectrum. But they can still distinguish between different species of bees, explained the scientist.

So the researchers wanted to check if bees' colours were the only thing that helped to warn off predators.
'Unexpected' results

Dr Raine and his colleagues from the University of London set up a number of colonies from different populations of bumblebees in the UK, Germany and Sardinia.

Though some insects had similar colour patterns - bands of bright yellow, white, orange or red and regions of black, others looked quite different from one another.

"In the UK, they are yellow-and-black-striped with a white tip on the abdomen, but in the Canary Islands for example they don't have any yellow bands at all - they're just black and white," said Dr Raine.

The scientists expected birds to rely on visual clues, meaning they would be more likely to attack bees that looked different from the ones they were used to.

"All our bees were individually numbered with tags on the back of the thorax, so that we could keep track of each individual that left and entered the nest," said the researcher.

The scientists then counted how many bees did not return to their nest and compared the loss rate of different Bombus terrestris populations with different colour patterns in the same environment.

They got some rather unexpected results, said Dr Raine.

"Predators didn't seem to target the unusually coloured bees more than the native populations we tested. Perhaps the bumbling way in which all bumblebees fly or their distinctive deep buzzing are more important clues to help would-be predators avoid a nasty sting," he said.

His colleague Ralph Stelzer, the main author of the study and a PhD student at Queen Mary, University of London, called the findings surprising.

"The results mean that the explanation for the bumblebees' colouration patterns is not as simple as previously thought," he said.

The scientists believe that perhaps birds prefer not to take any chances - and to steer clear of all insects that look, sound or fly like a bumblebee to avoid being stung.
Bee stripes may not keep predators away (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10185465.stm)