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Title: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: electrobleme on December 28, 2009, 04:37:51
The Electric Universe Bible

Does the Torah (the 5 books of Moses or Pentateuch) tell the readers events that happened in an Electrical Universe, a more electrified Earth? The Torah would appear to contain esoteric knowledge, thats what Kabbalah is about. The ancients had sects/groups/leaders/priests who had access to secret knowledge and one way to pass the knowledge on is to hide it in stories, songs, drawings, patterns etc.

It is interesting to read the Bible and actually take note of what it is telling you, not what you have been told it tells you.

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2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Genesis 6 (New International Version) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%206&version=NIV)

This is the starting chapter of Noah and The Flood. Yet it seems to say that the Nephilim were alive after the flood. Yet the flood killed everything? Other stuff also seems to come from these few verses, were "the humans" seeded, half breeds etc.

Although the translation above is NIV I will try to use either older translations such as Young's Literal Translation, Tyndales and also this Hebrew Interlinear Bible. Some verses suffer amazingly from "lost in translation" and some of the more literal translations open your electric eyes.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/torah/genesis-3-hebrew-interlinear-bible-twisting-flaming-sword.jpg) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen3.pdf)
Hebrew Interlinear Bible - Genesis 3 - the self turning flaming sword?

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24 yea, he casteth out the man, and causeth to dwell at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flame of the sword which is turning itself round to guard the way of the tree of life.
Genesis 3:24 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:24&version=YLT)

24 After sending them out, the Lord God stationed mighty cherubim to the east of the Garden of Eden. And he placed a flaming sword that flashed back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 3:24 (New Living Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:24&version=NLT)

24 He threw them out of the garden and stationed angel-cherubim and a revolving sword of fire east of it, guarding the path to the Tree-of-Life.
Genesis 3:24 (The Message) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:24&version=MSG)

24 Then God put winged creatures at the entrance to the garden and a flaming, flashing sword to guard the way to the life-giving tree.
Genesis 3:24 (Contemporary English Version) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:24&version=CEV)



(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/the-double-helix-nebula-birkeland-current-combo.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg429#msg429)
The flaming sword (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg429#msg429) seen on the East side of the Garden of Eden? Why mention that it was on the East side?


Is there anything in the Electric Universe Theory that might be able to be the flaming self turning sword? Would a pair of twisting Birkeland Currents or the Squatting Man (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=61.0) be an explanation or was it something else?


I have not yet read Immanuel Velikovsky's books. I want to see if I come to similar conclusions or ideas as him and other people, following the logic of the EU Theory. It will be interesting to see how my ideas/thoughts change after reading his works.

The one book i have read is God's Fire (Moses and the management of Exodus by Alfred de Grazia) (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/introdis-verse.html#godsfirebook). The books ideas again follow the EU Theory logic that if you use EU Theory and apply it to something most people come up with similar ideas.

Links:


**  Hebrew Interlinear Bible (OT) - scripture4all .org (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm) - Hebrew / English translation
** Greek Interlinear Bible (NT) - scripture4all .org (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm) - Greek / English translation
** biblegateway .com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/) - single English translation
** bibleshark .com (http://www.bibleshark.com/) - parallel English translations
** the Sefer Yetzirah (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/verse/sefer-yetzirah-book-of-creation-kabbalah.html) -  Book of Creation

the plasmaVerse (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/introdis_electric_universe_bible_torah.html) - The Electric Universe Torah/Bible (home/index page)
Title: The Electric Universe Bible - the plasmaVerses
Post by: electrobleme on December 28, 2009, 04:54:16
The plasmaVerses


Verses

** Genesis 1 (verses 1-2) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg534#msg534)  and spirit of Elohim vibrating over surfaces of the waters

** Genesis 1 (verses 3-5) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg539#msg539)  he shall become light and and he is becoming light

** Genesis 1 (verses 6-8) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg778#msg778)   the second day - seperating the waters/firmaments

** Genesis 1 (verses 9-10) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg826#msg826)  the gathering of water and appearance of dry land

** Genesis 1 (verses 11-13) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg916#msg916)   the seeding of the Earth (no sun or moon created yet?)

** Genesis 1 (verses 14-19) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg918#msg918) the luminaries of the skies for signs and seasons - day 4



** Genesis 3:24 (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg532#msg532) banished from the Garden of Eden - Cherubin and the Sword


** Joshua 10:11-14 (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg837#msg837) Joshua and the day the earth stood still?


** Isaiah (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg568#msg568) plantery events and associated catastrophe being described (Mo post)


** Revelation 8:12 and Isaiah 13:10  (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg570#msg570)  and a third of the Sun was smitten


Topics / Themes

The Garden of Eden
** the cherubin (winged creatures) and the flaming moving sword (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg532#msg532)
** "East" (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg537#msg537) The Garden of Eden as a planet (Mo post)


The Flood and water
** Genesis chapters 7 and 8 (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg937#msg937) - the deluge and floods stopped by the wind (spirit/current?) of god?
** The Nephilim (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg532#msg532)
** all the springs of the great deep burst forth (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=60.msg70#msg70) - water, water everywhere? EU post

The Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Creation) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=60.msg71#msg71) - Bohu is the slimy stones sunk in the abysses between which the water comes out.


Revelations
** Gods curse? (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg576#msg576) - if anyone adds to this book/bible... or is it scroll?


Moses and the Exodus
** God's Fire - Moses and the management of Exodus  (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg571#msg571) - book by Alfred de Grazia
** "ngoma lungundu" - the Fire of God (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg929#msg929) - the Ark of Covenant - electrical ernergy weapon and an African replica?
** the EU God and Mount Sinai (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg955#msg955) - Exodus chapters 19,20 and 24 - EU events?
** Moses and the Exodus occured in the sky (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg966#msg966) - were the events a description of ancient Chaos and why there is no evidence for them?


The power/meanings of Words/Language
** The Hebrew Language (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg535#msg535) - more than just a language? A sound/frequency/vibration/energy?



Title: Genesis 1 (v 1-2) : and spirit of Elohim vibrating over surfaces of the waters
Post by: electrobleme on December 28, 2009, 05:22:36
Genesis 1 v 1-2 : and spirit of Elohim vibrating over surfaces of the waters


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/torah/genesis-1-verses-1-2-hebrew-interlinear-bible-vibrating-spirit-water.jpg)
Genesis chapter 1 versus 1-2 (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf) (Hebrew Interlinear Bible) - chaos, vibrating, water

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in beginning he created Elohim the heavens and the earth: and the earth she became chaos and vacancy and darkness over surfaces of abyss and spirit of Elohim vibrating over surfaces of the waters
Genesis chapter 1 versus 1-2 Hebrew Interlinear Bible

The Electric Universe Theory would seem to suggest that frequenices/vibrations may be vital in the Universe. It is interesting to note that the translation of these verse suggests something moving over or causing the waters to vibrate. Also that the Earth became chaos or became chaotic.

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1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --
2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters
Genesis 1:1-2 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1-2&version=YLT)

In the beginning God created heaven and earth. The earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the deep, and the spirit of God moved upon the water.
The first book of Moses called Genesis - Tyndale's Old Testament

The modern versions seem to translate the "vibrating" into hovering or moving. This may be an example where the translation may totally change the information or image. If it does mean vibrating and we dont understand that word in the verse then we use something that is more logical, or, that the common man in the street will understand.


** theplasmaVerse article on Genesis chapter 1 v1-2 : In the beginning...there became chaos, vibration and water (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/verse/torah_bible/genesis_c1_v1to2_in_the_beginning_vibration_water.html)
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: kevin on December 28, 2009, 06:36:35
I have recently had cause to converse with a very special man, a jewish man who I was helping move home after his wife had recently passed over.
We sat and chatted and after telling all I have come to find via dowsing He just smiled and said it was if I was reciting the torah.
He is a world famous actor who's great grand father was the leader of a race of jews out of baghdad, I know one of His daughters who is very tapped in indeed.
Her great great grand father the ben ish chai was pronounced dead early in life after falling down a well, but survived and began to quote the torah word for word before ever seeing it, she tells of family tales of having to pull him down from the ceilings as He levitated .
She has shown Me how the letters of hebrew are almost mimicking the rythms of sounds, and they are from sanskrit.
Our life spans are too short to have seen the effects of when cyclic occurances happen and possibly become visual, but by telling the tales for milleniums, the patterns are there once You wear an electrical hat as such.
My friend has a portrait similer to this one of her great great grandfather the ben ish chai, but he is looking at the observer, I was transfixed when I saw it, similer to when I first saw a large verse from the quaran .
light upon light, god guides whom He will to his light.
I find layers circulating on top of each other, alternate layers of spin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Ish_Chai
kevin
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on December 28, 2009, 08:42:59
"The flaming sword seen on the East side of the Garden of Eden? Why mention that it was on the East side?"

I would see the Garden of Eden as being in the sky. As a planet approached Earth the flaming sword of the planet is the cometary tail. This would appear to the east of the planet. Now the Garden of Eden could have been the planet or it could have been some concentrated dust region near Earth, or other possibilities.
Mo
Title: a planets sword of flames
Post by: electrobleme on December 28, 2009, 20:56:57
never considered that great idea, linked or similar to the "comet venus" idea? but having watched the "Symbols of an Alien Sky" this would fit. Do you think they could have been the same thing or was the Garden of Eden flaming sword a seperate much older event?

i will be working my way through the Bible so if you got any more stuff on that idea it would be good to discuss it now or even save it for then.
Title: Genesis 1 (v 3-5) : he shall become light and he is becoming light
Post by: electrobleme on December 28, 2009, 21:58:00
Genesis 1 v 3-5 : he shall become light and and he is becoming light

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/torah/genesis-1-verses-3-4-hebrew-interlinear-bible-he-shall-become-light.jpg) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf)

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3 and God saith, `Let light be;' and light is.
Genesis 1:3 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:3-4&version=YLT)

3 and he is saying Elohim he shall become light and he is becoming light (Hebrew Interlinear Bible)

This is where knowing what the words really mean counts. Does something/someone become light, is the ability of light created/found/named, does something change so light can be seen/created...


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/torah/genesis-1-verses-5-hebrew-interlinear-bible-day-night-day-one.jpg) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf)

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4 And God seeth the light that [it is] good, and God separateth between the light and the darkness,
Genesis 1:3-4 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:3-4&version=YLT)

4 and he is seeing Elohim the light that good and he is seperating Elohim between the light and between the darkness (Hebrew Interlinear Bible)

Light has been spoken into being? The power/energy/frequency of words or their implied knowledge?

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She has shown Me how the letters of hebrew are almost mimicking the rythms of sounds, and they are from sanskrit.  (kevin) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg535#msg535)

Whatever happend in Genesis caused a difference now as there is dark/light. The 2 great lights of the day and the night and the stars have not yet been created.


** Genesis chapter 1 v3-5 : Elohim he shall become light and he is becoming light (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/verse/torah_bible/genesis_c1_v3to5_he_becoming_light_darkness_day_night_one.html)
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on December 29, 2009, 07:23:38
Yes, I guess the Garden of Eden was from an earlier time than the Velikovskian. Which does make references to the East as odd.

I did a stretch at Bible interpretation in EU terms. I'll be keen to read your ideas.
Mo
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on January 06, 2010, 14:51:53

Isaiah 2 19  And they shall go into the holes of rocks, and into the caves of the earth

from the face of the fear of the Lord, and from the glory of his majesty, when he shall

rise up to strike the earth.

Isaiah 4 5 And the Lord will create upon every place of mount Sion, and where he is

called upon, a cloud by day, and a smoke and the brightness of a flaming fire in the

night: for over all the glory shall be a protection.

Isaiah 4 6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shade in the daytime from the heat, and

for a security and covert from the whirlwind, and from rain.

Isaiah 5 26And he will lift up a sign to the nations afar off, and will whistle to them

from the ends of the earth: and behold they shall come with speed swiftly.

Isaiah 11 4But he shall judge the poor with justice, and shall reprove with equity for

the meek of the earth: land he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and

with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked.

Isaiah 13 9Behold, the day of the Lord shall come, a cruel day, and full of indignation,

and of wrath, and fury, to lay the land desolate, and to destroy the sinners thereof out

of it.

    10For the stars of heaven, and their brightness shall not display their light: the

sun shall be darkened in his rising, and the moon shall not shine with her light.

    13For this I will trouble the heaven: and the earth shall be moved out of her place,

for the indignation of the Lord of hosts, and for the day of his tierce wrath.

Isaiah 14 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning?

how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?

Isaiah 24 1Behold the Lord shall lay waste the earth, and shall strip it, and shall

afflict the face thereof, and scatter abroad the inhabitants thereof.

 6Therefore shall a curse devour the earth, and the inhabitants thereof shall sin: and

therefore they that dwell therein shall be mad, and few men shall be left.

 18And it shall come to pass, that he that shall flee from the noise of the fear, shall

fall into the pit: and he that shall rid himself out of the pit, shall be taken in the

snare: for the flood-gates from on high are opened, and the foundations of the earth

shall be shaken.

    19With breaking shall the earth be broken, with crushing shall the earth be crushed,

with trembling shall the earth be moved.

    20With shaking shall the earth be shaken as a drunken man, and shall be removed as

the tent of one night: and the iniquity thereof shall be heavy upon it, and it shall

fell, and not rise again.

Isaiah 38 8Behold I will bring again the shadow of the lines, by which it is now gone

down in the sun dial of Achaz with the sun, ten lines backward. And the sun returned ten

lines by the degrees by which it was gone down.

Isaiah 50 Behold at my rebuke I will make the sea a desert, I will turn the rivers into

dry land: the fishes shall rot for want of water, and shall die for thirst.

    3I will clothe the heavens with darkness, and will make sackcloth their covering.


So I think it is clear that planetary events are being depicted. Hence the Lord is a

planet or something in the ancient sky, that causes chaos on Earth. One would consider

that these events come from a very ancient time - a time before the planets roamed

randomly as described by Velikovsky. But then again one would expect passages in the

bible that describe events that also the ancient Egyptians depicted in their temples and

stories of adventures of their  pharaohs .

In fact such comparisons between the bible and the Egyptians seems likely to have been

done before and by adding in the planetary aspects a timeline might present itself.
Mo




Title: signs and wonders in the skies... and a third of the sun was smitten?
Post by: electrobleme on January 06, 2010, 17:48:58
Mo, great verses describing planetary catastrophe and the poor buggers on earth that died or lived through it!

It has to happen again... will it happen slowly or quickly... will we know what is happening... will the EU theory people be like todays christians walking around with signs saying "The end of the world is nigh"...what will be the signs and wonders seen in the skies?

Never thought of the Lord as a planet but it makes sense, if the other Gods were planets or events then why not the Lord/God.


and a third of the sun was smitten

(http://www.theplasmaverse.com/images/revelations812-star-spots-xxtriangulum-hd12545-sunspots-advert.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=162)
Star Spot (sun spot) found on the K0 giant star XX Triangulum (HD 12545) or a third of the sun was smitten?


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10 For the stars of the heavens, and their constellations, Cause not their light to shine, Darkened hath been the sun in its going out, And the moon causeth not its light to come forth.
Isaiah 13:10 (Young's Literal Translation) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2013:10&version=YLT)

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Then the fourth angel blew [his] trumpet, and a third of the sun was smitten, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that [the light of] a third of them was darkened, and a third of the daylight [itself] was withdrawn, and likewise a third [of the light] of the night was kept from shining.
Revelation 8:12 (Amplified Bible) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%208:12&version=AMP)

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AND THE FOURth MESSENGER TRUMPETS AND WAS-given-a-BLOW [was-eclipsed] THE third OF-THE SUN AND THE third OF-THE MOON AND THE third OF-THE GLEAMers [stars] THAT MAY-BE-BEING-DARKenED THE third OF-them AND THE DAY NO MAY-BE-APPEARING THE [for-the] third OF-her [of-her-it] AND THE NIGHT LIKE-AS [likewise]
Revelation 8:12 (Greek Interlinear Bible NT) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev8.pdf)


The image above of XX Triangulum (HD 12545) shows the largest Star Spot or Sun Spot found so far in the Universe. Is this evidence of how the Sun, moon and stars could darken? In an Electrical Universe the Stars have to be powered by electricity so if the power is reduced or something changes in the Star itself then it could change.

More images and a press release relating to the largest Star Spot can be found in this article here on The Electric Sky (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/verse/the-electric-sky.html)






Title: God's Fire - Moses and the management of Exodus - book by Alfred de Grazia
Post by: electrobleme on January 07, 2010, 05:34:06
God's Fire by Alfred de Grazia

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/gods-fire-moses-thum.jpg)


For those interested in the Electric Universe Bible and how it has either affected humans or been witnessed by our ancestors then Alfred de Grazia's book God's Fire - Moses and the management of Exodus - is a great book.

Written from the EU Theory point of view it takes you through the alleged life of Moses and especially the events and plagues that the Israelite and Egyptian nations endured.

You can buy the God's Fire book 2nd hand from amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0940268035?ie=UTF8&tag=everiselec-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0940268035) (expensive) or there is the free full God's Fire pdf version (http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/gf_docs/gf_1.pdf) from the immense website of Alfred de Grazia (http://www.grazian-archive.com/index_2.htm) that includes basically his lifetimes work.

God's Fire book: TABLE OF CONTENTS:

I PLAGUES AND COMETS
Comets and Angels ... Cosmic Plagues ... The Destruction of Egypt

II THE SCENARIO OF EXODUS
High-Level Negotiations ... Why Pharaoh pursued the Hebrews... The Organized Move ... Opening and Closing the Waters ... Unforeseen Circumstances

III CATASTROPHE AND DIVINE FIRES
Whose Angel?.,.The Censored Designs of Heaven ... The Gentile Exodus ... The Horror of Red ... The Electrostatic Age ... Yahweh's Electrical Fire Conglomerate ... The Celestial First Cause

IV THE ARK IN ACTION
The Giant Capacitor ... Constructing the Ark ... Dangers of Electrocution ... The Ark at Work ... The Electric Oracle ... The Battle of Jericho ... The Ark's End ... God's Fire Gone

V LEGENDS AND MIRACLES
Radiation Diseases ... The Burnt Offering ... Manna ... The Electro-Chemical Factory ... The Brazen Serpent and other Rods

VI THE CHARISMA OF MOSES
The Love Child.. A Disliking for Hebrews ... The Meek Killer ... The Courtly Shepherd ... Circumcision and Speech Problems ... Scientist and Inventor ... Talking with Gods ... The Centralization of Hallucination ... An Israelite Opinion Survey ... Routinizing Charisma ... The Maniac Scientist

VII THE LEVITES AND THE REVOLTS
Numbers Leaving Egypt ... Impedimenta... Technicians and Security Police ... Blame the People ... Protests, Riots, and Massacres... Revolt of the Golden Calf ... Korah's Rebellion ... Freud and the Murder of Moses ... Beth Peor

VIII THE ELECTRICAL GOD
The Name of Yahweh ... The Character of Yahweh ... Sin vs Science... Immortality ... Monotheism



Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on January 07, 2010, 07:21:25
It has to happen again... will it happen slowly or quickly... will we know what is happening... will the EU theory people be like todays christians walking around with signs saying "The end of the world is nigh"...what will be the signs and wonders seen in the skies?
electobleme

The ancients must have depended greatly on the predictions of the planets.  It must have been tremendously important to tell whether a planet would come close to the Earth.  Therefore there would have been a lot of prophecy.  Thus the prophecy in the Bible probably related to their times, and not to ours, even Revelation.

So one has to consider very clearly what situations could upset the Solar system.  For example, if Venus changed orbit or increased electrical charge, then a current would pass between Venus and the Earth, which would stabilize the situation.  So it would take something very big to destabilise the Solar system.

This is why consideration of the Saturn System is important.  We can see the story that something big happened, with possibly Saturn entering the solar system causing an electrical surge.  A semi stable configuration developed but then broke up and a period of random planetary motion ensued.  Eventually the present stable situation resulted.  So to become unstable again, probably something very big needs to happen to the Solar system.  There are candidates for this in the electric universe, but there would be considerable warning.
Mo
Title: Revelations - Gods curse? - if anyone adds to this book/bible or is it scroll?
Post by: electrobleme on January 08, 2010, 23:08:43
The ancients must have depended greatly on the predictions of the planets.  It must have been tremendously important to tell whether a planet would come close to the Earth.  Therefore there would have been a lot of prophecy.  Thus the prophecy in the Bible probably related to their times, and not to ours, even Revelation.
Mo


Yep, planets as part of the Signs and Wonders and I 100% agree with you about Revelation being about what happened. Esoteric knowledge handed down and revealed. Of course they could write about it happening in the future as it is likely to happen again but they either witnessed it or somehow had the knowledge of what had happened. The events described in it are so EU catastrophe!

What I like about the end of Revelations is another "lost in translation". The famous warning quoted by Christians about nothing can be added or taken away from the Bible as its Gods word. But Revelations does not say that. It says this scroll. Meaning just the scroll that revelations was written on. Not the Bible, not the New Testament and not the Old Testament. The Christian Bible did not exist then and Revelations was just one scroll by itself.

The Curse of God is not even God being quoted as such, its the person who wrote it. Why would you not want a single phrase added or taken away only from this scroll? If it is esoteric knowledge and anything is changed then the secret message/knowledge power could be lost.

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16`I, Jesus did send my messenger to testify to you these things concerning the assemblies; I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright and morning star!
17And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing -- let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting -- let him come; and he who is willing -- let him take the water of life freely.
18`For I testify to every one hearing the words of the prophecy of this scroll, if any one may add unto these, God shall add to him the plagues that have been written in this scroll,
19and if any one may take away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the scroll of the life, and out of the holy city, and the things that have been written in this scroll;'
Revelation 22:16-19 (Young's Literal Translation) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022:16-19&version=YLT)

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18 I declare to all who hear the words of the prophecy contained in this book--'If anyone adds to it, God will add to his troubles the Curses described in this book;
19 and if any one takes away any of the words in the book containing this prophecy, God will take away his share in the Tree of Life, and in the Holy City--as described in this book.'
Revelation 22:16-19 - bibleshar (modern versions) (http://www.bibleshark.com/parallel_bible/ASV-WEB-TCNT/Revelation/22/16-19/)

Nearly all the modern translations say book and not scroll.


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16 i JESUS SEND THE MESSENGER OF-ME TO-witness to-YOU these ON THE OUT-CALLEDS I AM THE ROOT AND THE breed [race] OF-THE DAVID THE GLEAMer [star] THE SHINing [resplendent] AND EARLY-one
17 AND THE spirit AND THE BRIDE ARE-sayING BE-YOU-COMING AND THE one-HEARING LET-him-say BE-YOU-COMING AND THE one-THIRSTING LET-him-BE-COMING AND THE one-WILLING LET-him-BE-GETTING THE water OF-LIFE gratuitously
18 I AM TOGETHER-witnessING for to-EVERY one-HEARING THE sayings [words] OF-THE BEFORE-AVERment [prohphecy] OF-THE SCROLLet this IF-EVER ANY MAY-BE-ON-PLACING TOWARDS these SHALL-BE-ON-PLACING THE God ON him THE BLOWS [calamities] THE ones-HAVING-been-WRITTEN IN SCROLLet this
19 AND IF-EVER ANY MAY-BE-FROM-LIFTING FROM THE sayings [words] OF-SCROLL OF-THE BEFORE-AVERment [prohphecy] this SHALL-BE-FROM-LIFTING THE God THE PART OF-him FROM SCROLL OF-THE LIFE AND OUT OF-THE city THE HOLY AND OF-THE ones-HAVING-been-WRITTEN IN SROLLet this
Revelation 22:16-19 - Greek Interlinear Bible (NT) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev22.pdf)

Title: Genesis 1 (v 6-8) : the second day - seperating the waters/firmaments
Post by: electrobleme on February 07, 2010, 23:22:25

Genesis 1 (v 6-8) : the second day - seperating the waters/firmaments

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6 and·he-is-saying Elohim he-shall-become atmosphere in·midst-of the·waters and·he-shall-become separating between waters to·waters
7 and·he-is-making Elohim » the·atmosphere and·he-is-separating between the·waters which from·under to·the·atmosphere and·between the·waters which from·on to·the·atmosphere and·he-is-becoming so
8 and·he-is-calling Elohim to·the·atmosphere heavens and·he-is-becoming orb evening

English version
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Genesis chapter 1 verses 6-8(Hebrew Interlinear Bible) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf)


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6 And God saith, `Let an expanse be in the midst of the waters, and let it be separating between waters and waters.'
7 And God maketh the expanse, and it separateth between the waters which [are] under the expanse, and the waters which [are] above the expanse: and it is so.
8 And God calleth to the expanse `Heavens;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day second.
Genesis 1:6-8 (Young's Literal Translation) | biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:6-8&version=YLT)

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And God said: let there be a firmament between the waters, and let it divide the waters asunder. Then God made the firmament and parted the waters which were under the firmament, from the waters that were above the firmament: And it was so. And God called the firmament heaven. And so of the evening and morning was made the second day.
The First Book of Moses called Genesis | Chapter 1 verses 6-8 | Tyndale's Old Testament
Title: Consciousness as foundation of our reality - Part 1 - Higher Order and Plasma
Post by: peter on February 10, 2010, 22:36:24
The relation between consciousness and electromagnetic fields is evident under the light of an Electric-Universe-Theory.

Consciousness first of all creates order
This order is everywhere in the creation of God. The Fibonacci-Spiral for example is a fractal pattern that is present on all scales, from macro-cosmos to the micro-cosmos (from galaxies to the fractal patterns of electric plasma).

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All electrons have a property called "spin," which describes the way they rotate on their axes, generating a magnetic field as they do so. If the spins of neighboring electrons in a given material are opposite one another, these magnetic fields cancel each other out. But when the spins of neighboring electrons in a material are aligned, such that the electrons are rotating in tandem like synchronized swimmers in a pool, the material itself becomes magnetic. This alignment only occurs among the electrons of certain elements, including iron and manganese.
Source: Electrons on the Brink: Fractal Patterns May Be Key to Semiconductor Magnetism - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100209091840.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100209091840.htm)

Uniformity has higher order than chaotic formations. And uniform alignment of spins in a material creates a strong magnetic field.

The spins of the molecules of air are not uniform, but chaotic. They move all in an random matter.
This is one reason why air is a good isolator. Imagine what would happen if this would not be the case!
But if one could align the spins of air by an uniform force field, the air would become surely an conductor, in other words it transforms into the fourth aggregation form called plasma.

Take a look at this video: Instructional: How to Make Plasma in a Microwave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Ptrwzj10M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Ptrwzj10M)

Through the uniform magnetic field (it's a changing field, but it is uniform by the sinus wave) the spins of the air molecules aligns all in one direction and the air becomes a conductor.


The burning bush

(http://p21chong.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/the-burning-bush.jpg?w=400&h=300)

The presence of an angel "in our 3D world" creates similar phenomenons. The air becomes a conductor and emits light.
In the case of Moses the alignment of the air molecules was so perfect, that the "plasma" was not hot and don't consumed the bush.

The Higher Order of consciousness prevents consumption
Several times the Bible mention that clothes and sandal don't consumed during the time in the desert.
You can imagine that eternal life has a straight relation to the "incorruptible" spirit that a human should acquire.
The spirit of God is a consuming fire, but only for the "corruptible" things, not to the things that are "incorruptible", like the truth.
Therefore we die, because of the fact that we fall into sin (as humanity) and the sin is like a big resistor, that if flooded by the spirit of God would simply burn. To prevent this, we die before this happen (maximum of 120 years as told to Noah after the diluvian) and we get only a small amount of God's life force. But through prayer we can ask for the spirit of God, bit by bit, and this transforms our personality gradually and "we become in tune with this great power" (Nikola Tesla).

Eternal life will only be possible for the hole humanity, not for single individuals

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As I see life on this planet, there is no individuality. It may sound ridiculous to say so, but I believe each person is but a wave passing through space, ever-changing from minute to minute as it travels along, finally, some day, just becoming dissolved. – Nikola Tesla

The Great Awakening, the time before Armageddon, will be a great tribulation for wicked people that refuse to align to the perfect law and will of God. The greater amount of life force will burn them. But before this happens they will consciously recognize the presence of the angelic military force, that prepare the transition from the old system to the new system.

After this Big Event humanity will no longer suffer illness and will live for eternity. All people will be in tune with the power that has it's origin in a invisible dimension, like the spins of the atoms in a magnetic material.

I will edit this post in a few hours to add some references to scriptures.
Title: Re: Consciousness as foundation of our reality - Part 1 - Higher Order and Plasma
Post by: electrobleme on February 11, 2010, 06:18:34

The Higher Order of consciousness prevents consumption
Several times the Bible mention that clothes and sandal don't consumed during the time in the desert.
You can imagine that eternal life has a straight relation to the "incorruptible" spirit that a human should acquire.
The spirit of God is a consuming fire, but only for the "corruptible" things, not to the things that are "incorruptible", like the truth.
Therefore we die, because of the fact that we fall into sin (as humanity) and the sin is like a big resistor, that if flooded by the spirit of God would simply burn. To prevent this, we die before this happen (maximum of 120 years as told to Noah after the diluvian) and we get only a small amount of God's life force. But through prayer we can ask for the spirit of God, bit by bit, and this transforms our personality gradually and "we become in tune with this great power" (Nikola Tesla).

as you mention in the Akashic Records thread (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=182.msg665#msg665) lying is similar to "sin" and increases resistance to the flow or your connection to the EU/Gods/Force...

Truth and not sinning increases your conductivity making you more of a superconductor. this perhaps explains the idea of reincarnation, coming back as a better life/energy force, something more purer/conductive to the EU/Gods/Force energy/fields.

Does sinning increase your resistance so when you go to hell you burst into flames, so to speak! if you are more purer when you die then you are full of energy and light up so to speak. why good/happy/pure/innocent people seem to glow with energy?
Title: Re: Genesis 1 (v 6-8) : the second day - seperating the waters/firmaments
Post by: electrobleme on February 11, 2010, 06:34:16

Re: Genesis 1 (v 6-8) : the second day - seperating the waters/firmaments

i find these verses confusing. from what i read i think it suggests that water was seperated into 2 places.

if it is referring to the earth then on the earth and up in the sky but very high. Not in our immediate atmosphere where there are clouds and rain but much higher than that. because it says that the firmament/expanse between the waters is the heavens. if it was the sky then or the atmosphere then it would just suggest or translate as that?

a seperation of the waters on the earth or in the solar system itself?

links, suggestions, explanations, guidance, ideas on these verses most welcome :)


Title: Genesis 1 (v 9-10) : the gathering of water and appearance of dry land
Post by: electrobleme on February 11, 2010, 07:50:44

Genesis 1 (v 9-10) : the gathering of water and appearance of dry land

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9 and·he-is-saying Elohim they-shall-be-flown-together the·waters from·under the·heavens to place one and·she-shall-be-seen the·dry and·he-is-becoming so

10 and·he-is-calling Elohim to·the·dry land and·to·confluence-of the·waters he-called seas and·he-is-seeing Elohim that good

english translation
9 And d God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

Genesis chapter 1 verses 9-10(Hebrew Interlinear Bible) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf)

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9 And God saith, `Let the waters under the heavens be collected unto one place, and let the dry land be seen:' and it is so.

10 And God calleth to the dry land `Earth,' and to the collection of the waters He hath called `Seas;' and God seeth that [it is] good.
Genesis 1:9-10 (Young's Literal Translation) | biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:9-10&version=YLT)

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9 And God said, let the waters that are under heaven gather themselves unto one place, that the dry land may appear: And it came so to pass.

10 And God called the dry land the earth and the gathering together of waters called he the sea. And God saw that it was good.
The First Book of Moses called Genesis | Chapter 1 verses 6-8 | Tyndale's Old Testament
Title: Re: Genesis 1 (v 9-10) : the gathering of water and appearance of dry land
Post by: electrobleme on February 11, 2010, 08:02:39

just some quick starter thoughts on this...

the water appears to have been either in the solar system, the atmosphere, in different layers or in different states around the planet? then some event happens and it gathers in one place.

could mars and earth have been covered in a layer of water then during a catastrophe the water from mars goes to earth and also mountains etc are formed on earth?


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1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --
2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters
Genesis 1:1-2 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1-2&version=YLT)

was earth covered in a layer of water and had it in the atmsphere also, then an event, the earths charge changing, attracted the waters together and also terrorformed the earth?
Title: Joshua Chapter 10 v 11-14 - the day the earth stood still?
Post by: electrobleme on February 12, 2010, 08:15:59

Joshua Chapter 10 v 11-14 - the day the earth stood still?

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Joshua 10 (Young's Literal Translation)

11 And it cometh to pass, in their fleeing from the face of Israel -- they [are] in the descent of Beth-Horon -- and Jehovah hath cast upon them great stones out of the heavens, unto Azekah, and they die; more are they who have died by the hailstones than they whom the sons of Israel have slain by the sword.

12 Then speaketh Joshua to Jehovah in the day of Jehovah's giving up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he saith, before the eyes of Israel, `Sun -- in Gibeon stand still; and moon -- in the valley of Ajalon;'

13 and the sun standeth still, and the moon hath stood -- till the nation taketh vengeance [on] its enemies; is it not written on the Book of the Upright, `and the sun standeth in the midst of the heavens, and hath not hasted to go in -- as a perfect day?'

14 And there hath not been like that day before it or after it, for Jehovah's hearkening to the voice of a man; for Jehovah is fighting for Israel.

Joshua 10 v 11-14 (Young's Literal Translation) | biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua%2010&version=YLT)


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11 and·he-is-becoming in·to-flee-of·them from·faces-of Israel they in·descent-of Beth-Horon and·Yahweh he-flung on·them stonesgreat-ones from the·heavens as-far-as Azekah and·they-are-dying many-ones who they-died in·stones-of the·hail from·whom they-killed sons-of Israel in·the·sword

12 then he-is-speaking Joshua to·Yahweh in·day to-give-of Yahweh the·Amorite to·faces-of sons-of Israel and·he-is-saying to·eyes-of Israel sun in·Gibeon stand-still-you ! and·moon in·vale-of Aijalon

13 and·he-is-standing-still the·sun and·moon he-stayed until he-is-avenging nation ones-being-enemies-of·him? ·not she being-written on scroll-of the·upright and·he-is-staying the·sun in·the·middle-of the·heavens and·not he-rushed to·to-set-of as·dayflawless
Joshua chapter 10 verses 11-13 (Hebrew Interlinear Bible) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/jos10.pdf)


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The Long Day of Joshua and the Axis Tilt of Earth

Question:  One of the students is researching Joshua 10:12+ re the sun standing still – do you have any scientific/historical info on that?

Setterfield:  There is a potential answer to the matter that the question raises. You will remember the Dodwell axis tilt material. George Dodwell was the late Government Astronomer for South Australia. In his final years at the old Adelaide Observatory, he researched the tilt of the earth’s axis as given by ancient astronomers (Egyptian, Chinese, Greek, Arab etc) using a variety of methods including gnomons. The 66 data points these observers provided indicated that the earth’s axis received a change in tilt in the year 2345 BC, and that the axis has become more upright as a result of that event. Dr. Moe Mandelkehr of the USA did independent research which pointed to some event of sufficient magnitude to bring about archaeological, climatalogical and geological changes about the same time [Society of Interdisciplinary Studies ‘SIS Review’, Vol. V, 1983, p.77 ff]. Independently of these two, Dr. Benny Peiser of the Cambridge Conference group in the UK has concluded that a series of small asteroidal impacts occurred about that same time. A search on the net will bring up much of his material. Dodwell is not unique, as there are others who have come to similar conclusions. Also independently, another research group concluded that the movement of the earth’s virtual geomagnetic pole showed a sudden change in direction around 2300 BC [see Kawai et al, in Nature, Vol. 236, pp.223-225, 1972 “Archaeomagnetism in Iran”]. So the 2345 BC change in axis tilt seems to be on solid ground. 

According to the lightspeed work, this date corresponds with the end of the last ice-age, just before the birth of Abraham in 2304 BC, when the climate started to become more like we have it today. The higher axis tilt before this event allowed more extensive ice-caps along with a world climate that reflected that fact.

Well, you will be wondering how this fits in with Joshua and the behaviour of the sun and moon at his command. It relates to Dodwell’s oscillation curve that was apparent from the observations. This curve revealed oscillatory behaviour of the earth’s axis as it came to a new position of balance after the 2345 BC event. The curve indicated changes at dates roughly corresponding to Joshua’s conquest around 1550 BC (confirming the long chronology for the time of the Judges that appears in my book ‘Creation and Catastrophe’ which you may still have), again about the time of Hezekiah near 710 BC (when the sun went backwards about 10 degrees on the sundial of Ahaz), again about the time of the Crucifixion around 30-33 AD (when there was a strange darkness over the land for 3 hours, and Amos writing of that time said “I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth on a clear day, and I will turn your feast [Passover] into mourning and make it as the mourning of an only son…” Amos 8:9-19) , and again around 800-900 AD and in roughly 1400 to 1500 AD. We know the Biblical examples. These are extant records that document the 800-900 AD event as “a strange dark morning” in England; “a dark day” in Europe, and “The time the night came twice” in Africa. The 1400 AD event has been picked up in pottery from Asia where a change in magnetic pole behaviour has been recorded by the magnetic alignment of the particles in the pottery. Recall that the motion of the geomagnetic pole is involved in all this. 

Well, ultimately, we need to know what is causing these events. The original series of impacts in 2345 BC initiated the response. In any large impact, a segment of the earth’s crust is detached from the surface layers and moves through the mantle towards the earth’s core. This gives the earth, a spinning gyroscope, a new position of balance and it gradually moves to this new position. The Dodwell work indicated that the final balance position was not attained until about 1850 AD. Well, that accounts for the main axis tilt curve. But the oscillation curve is still to be explained. I will come at this from a different direction. About 10 years ago, in a store in Blackwood, South Australia, there was a sophisticated gyroscopic toy for sale. The toy consisted of a central gyroscope suspended by circular loops of metal that were able to move freely in any direction.  Idly, I set the toy spinning, then shortly after I gave it a push, corresponding to an “impact”. The gyroscope heeled over, and then in that new position started oscillating. I was amazed at what happened next. At specific points in the series of oscillations, the whole gyroscopic device underwent a figure-of-eight roll and then returned to the oscillating behaviour it had exhibited before.

Let’s look at this. Dodwell had determined the axis tilt curve from the 2345 BC impact. He had also determined the oscillation curve from the data. That curve potentially suggests that at certain key dates a change in oscillation direction will occur. Those dates roughly correspond with Joshua’s long day, Hezekiah’s sundial event, events at the time of the Crucifixion, and others. At the corresponding times, the gyroscopic toy underwent a figure of eight roll. It is possible that the earth may have behaved similarly, or at least in such a way that the objects in the heavens traced an S-shaped path in the sky. This would have a variety of effects depending where on earth the observer was when it occurred. Thus for Joshua the sun and moon remained visible in the heavens while the S-shaped path was followed. At the time of the Crucifixion, “the sun went down at noon” as Amos indicated, and then returned to resume its normal motion. There is also a reference in Job to this effect. Job was writing as an eye-witness to events in his own day. In Job 9:7 he states that God “commands the sun and it rises not…”. This is referring to the results of a similar axis tilt change due to massive impacts at the time of Peleg “when the continents were divided” (Gen. 10:25). This impact was the one that gave the earth’s axis its high tilt that resulted in the ice-age as well as drifting continents. The motion of the earth’s axis after that event in 3005 BC was similar to that from the 2345 BC event. Job was writing about 2800 BC.
The Long Day of Joshua and the Axis Tilt of Earth | setterfield.org (http://www.setterfield.org/000docs/biblicaldisc.htm#longday)
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on February 12, 2010, 10:03:31
We have shown that the sacred beetle was a planetary conjunction to the east at sunset. And the Djed was involved in another type of planetary conjunction. Now that would mean that there was recurring possibilities for disturbance of the axis of the Earth. Therefore it is quite difficult to ascribe the tilt differences to one main event. It might have been the last strong conjunction that produced the very small difference in tilt that was actually measured by the Chinese, I think, and noted by Dodwell. 
Mo
Title: Re: Consciousness as foundation of our reality - Part 1 - Higher Order and Plasma
Post by: peter on February 13, 2010, 19:08:58
as you mention in the Akashic Records thread (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=182.msg665#msg665) lying is similar to "sin" and increases resistance to the flow or your connection to the EU/Gods/Force...

Truth and not sinning increases your conductivity making you more of a superconductor. this perhaps explains the idea of reincarnation, coming back as a better life/energy force, something more purer/conductive to the EU/Gods/Force energy/fields.

Does sinning increase your resistance so when you go to hell you burst into flames, so to speak! if you are more purer when you die then you are full of energy and light up so to speak. why good/happy/pure/innocent people seem to glow with energy?

I don't believe in a think that is called "Hell". This was an invention of some people that tries to control illegally the faithful people. But now that the Bible is translated in a modern language everybody can read the Truth about the life and what happens to us when we die.

The only semantic domain of the Biblical soul in the Old Testament is the Hebrew word nephesh, which literally means the "complete life of a being" though it is usually used in the sense of "living being" (breathing creature).
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh)

The Bible states that human will die and return to dust:
"In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."
Genesis 3:19

And all souls die:
"Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die."
Ezekiel 18:4

Are the dead people conscious?
"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5

"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish."

Psalm 146:4

King Salomon wrote about the death following inspired words:
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19  For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20  All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21  Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?
Ecclesiastes 3:19-21

Many people believe in an immortal soul (and or in a reincarnation) because of their fear for death. It is normal to fear death, because humans has embedded the will to live forever in their hearts, it is a part of our nature to live forever!

"Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish."
Ecclesiastes 3:11

All people that die will have a hope to come again to life during the resurrection of the death:
"...and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous."
Acts 24:15

Again I repeat the words of Nikola Tesla, to make you note the similar ideas:
"As I see life on this planet, there is no individuality. It may sound ridiculous to say so, but I believe each person is but a wave passing through space, ever-changing from minute to minute as it travels along, finally, some day, just becoming dissolved."

The resurrection can only occur if there exist a God that is able to remember us in his vast memory and willing to remember us:
"But the very hairs of YOUR head are all numbered."
Matthew 10:30

" He is counting the number of the stars;
All of them he calls by [their] names.
 Our Lord is great and is abundant in power;
His understanding is beyond recounting.
"
Psalm 147:4,5

So for the dead people exist a hope based on the Holy Word of our God. His promises will set us free from the fear of death.
But for million people today there exist another electrifying hope to survive the End of this Old System and never die!

Electricity has a straight relation to the Truth. We make all part of a "electric wave", we are all forming one organism. Like the cells in a brain, individuals has their responsibility to communicate with each other. A thought is only formed by complex electric patterns in a brain. If a neuron-cell refuse to communicate (to response), then for what is this cell good for? Responsibility is not an virtue, it is the foundation of our life and consciousness. Refusing to response is comparable to refuse to live!

God would never torture a living creator reincarnating him again and again or burning him for eternity in Hell, because of the fact that God is love:
"God is love, and he that remains in love remains in union with God and God remains in union with him."
1. John 4:16

Note that the words "remaining in union" could be translated also as "connecting with his vast morphic field".
Title: East of the Garden of Eden
Post by: electrobleme on February 17, 2010, 06:32:04
24 yea, he casteth out the man, and causeth to dwell at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flame of the sword which is turning itself round to guard the way of the tree of life.
Genesis 3:24 (Young's Literal Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:24&version=YLT)

24 After sending them out, the Lord God stationed mighty cherubim to the east of the Garden of Eden. And he placed a flaming sword that flashed back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Genesis 3:24 (New Living Translation) - biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:24&version=NLT)



Do you think above/below were different events or could the planetary conjunction and the East of the Garden of Eden be a memory of what had happened? I suppose it depends on which you think came first, how old each event is, if the bible was a copy of other stories before etc


We have shown that the sacred beetle was a planetary conjunction to the east at sunset. And the Djed was involved in another type of planetary conjunction. Now that would mean that there was recurring possibilities for disturbance of the axis of the Earth. Therefore it is quite difficult to ascribe the tilt differences to one main event. It might have been the last strong conjunction that produced the very small difference in tilt that was actually measured by the Chinese, I think, and noted by Dodwell. 
Mo


Title: Re: Consciousness as foundation of our reality - Part 1 - Higher Order and Plasma
Post by: electrobleme on February 17, 2010, 06:46:36
["God is love, and he that remains in love remains in union with God and God remains in union with him."
1. John 4:16

Note that the words "remaining in union" could be translated also as "connecting with his vast morphic field".

i was just looking at the Bible/Torah in a purely physical respect in the Electric Universe, nothing spiritual / morphic field / Akashic Records. I will have to start looking out for things like this to see how they might fit into a super being/energy

can you explain further your idea of God in the Electric Universe, what he/it is for starters? do you believe in just the Christian God or in other Gods of the peoples? Not talking about the faith part of it or love, just what physically you think God(s) may be. Thanks.
Title: Re: Consciousness as foundation of our reality - Part 1 - Higher Order and Plasma
Post by: peter on February 18, 2010, 18:51:53
i was just looking at the Bible/Torah in a purely physical respect in the Electric Universe, nothing spiritual / morphic field / Akashic Records. I will have to start looking out for things like this to see how they might fit into a super being/energy

can you explain further your idea of God in the Electric Universe, what he/it is for starters? do you believe in just the Christian God or in other Gods of the peoples? Not talking about the faith part of it or love, just what physically you think God(s) may be. Thanks.

Sure!

First most important point in my personal believe (and that of most Christians) is that God, the supreme Consciousness of all, the origin, is not an impersonal being like many atheist believes. He has a personality, he is a individual with emotions, thoughts etc. But not imperfect like the idea of "Gods of the Greeks" that behaves stupid like humans. God is almighty, absolutely perfect in thought, emotion and action. He is the impersonation of Love, his most evident characteristic. All this you can read throughout the Bible, from the very beginning Genesis to the last book Revelation.
And why I am convinced that God is not an impersonal force: because nothing comes from nothing, and humans has emotions, thoughts etc, and we are created in His image.

Second, the nature does not contain God in some way like pantheists believes. Nature reveals the power of God, it gives a proof that he exist and a proof for his superior wisdom. We can admire it and we are forced to humbly admit that nobody else than God has the right to govern us (and who is the best King of all if not God who is Love?).

Third, human is created in image of God, he is similar to God in the way that human is able to think about his own existence and purpose. The consciousness of the humans are able to reflect about the "why", animals are not able to do this, even if many animals are intelligent, but such a high consciousness that humans have is the greatest distinction to the animal reign. I want to include to this third point the fact that humans has embed into their hearts the desire to live for eternity, because they was not created to live only a few decades full of pain and then die like animals do (and the fact that humans are able to reflect about eternity should not be ignored).
But like the animals humans are "souls", that mean they are breathing creatures. We have no souls, we are souls. The dogma that humans has an immortal soul is a terrible lie that leads to an attitude of irresponsibility towards God. God has promised to "reawaken" humans in his "new world", an earth (this earth, not another planet or another dimension) freed from the actual devil system (Revelation talks about it).

Ok, I'm conscious about the fact that my believe is in strict contrast to the most "religious people". But this should not become here a debate about religion. I want only to expose my basic believe points for the further understand how I personally can harmonize religion and science.

God and the Electric Universe
The dynamic power of God is not something that we humans can perceive directly. This kind of power or energy is not the same as electricity that we can measure. But electricity is related to it in some way. If everything that exist originate from that ONE consciousness, than a kind of hierarchy exist.
Example:
A word spoken by someone carry information and meaning, in the same time this word is bound to the original consciousness that has spoken this word.

If God decide to create a world based on "matter", than he doesn't create something absolutely new. He makes an abstraction of that what already exist in an spiritual realm and in him itself.
Here on earth nothing new exist. Everything is a shadow of the origin.

So ELECTRICITY then is an abstraction of consciousness itself, revealing the self-similar nature of consciousness.
In an Electric Universe the electricity represents the consciousness as an abstraction of the original consciousness that exist in an spiritual realm.
The very basic structure of the Universe is therefor consciousness.
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: electrobleme on February 25, 2010, 20:39:48

and explain it you did and much more stuff :)  thanks for that,  lots to think about and consider

science and especially the Big Bang seemed to try to disprove a god but there was always something missing which meant there was always room for a god. the electric universe theory does not prove or disprove a god but it certainly seems to give a way/how a god could exist without a physical body (we can not see him) and how the universe could be created by a god who was electrical so to speak

at the end of day it all depends on your faith/ideas and until it is absolutely proven yes or no it will cause endless discussion and debate
Title: Genesis 1 (v 11-13) : the seeding of the Earth
Post by: electrobleme on February 25, 2010, 21:58:00

Genesis 1 (v 11-13) : the seeding of the Earth

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1:11 and·he-is-saying Elohim she-shall-cause-to-vegetate the·land vegetation herbage sowing
seed tree-offruit making do fruit to·species-of·him which seed-of·him in·him on the·land
and·he-is-becoming so

1:12 and·she-is-bringing-forth the·land vegetation herbage sowing seed to·species-of·him and·tree making do fruit which seed-of·him in·him to·species-of·himand·he-is-seeing Elohim that good

1:13 and·he-is-becoming evening and·he-is-becoming morning day third
Genesis chapter 1 verses 11-13 (Hebrew Interlinear Bible) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf)

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11 And God saith, `Let the earth yield tender grass, herb sowing seed, fruit-tree (whose seed [is] in itself) making fruit after its kind, on the earth:' and it is so.

12 And the earth bringeth forth tender grass, herb sowing seed after its kind, and tree making fruit (whose seed [is] in itself) after its kind; and God seeth that [it is] good;

13 and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day third.
Genesis 1:11-13 (Young's Literal Translation) | biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:11-13&version=YLT)
Title: Re: Genesis 1 (v 11-13) : the seeding of the Earth
Post by: electrobleme on February 25, 2010, 22:10:43
how did all the kinds of plants evolve? how did we get such an amazing variety of lifeforms from plants to animals?

why were the lights of the sky formed after the plants and seeds?

were they seeded from space, did they come from other planets, did the Electric Universe (Gaia) create them from a natural design process from electromagnetic fields, was it random, gods or aliens?

one thing that needs to be noted is that the life of earth appeared from nothing, it had to start or come from somewhere but after each catrastophe that has struck the earth there has been an immense blossoming/radiation of life on this Earth.

does this show that the life either comes from the planets involved in the catastrophic events or that Gaia naturally produces the perfect life forms for the energy of the new environment of the planet?
Title: Genesis 1 (v 14-19) : the luminaries of the skies for signs and seasons - day 4
Post by: electrobleme on February 25, 2010, 22:33:09

Genesis 1 (v 14-19) : the luminaries of the skies for signs and seasons - day 4

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1:14 and·he-is-saying Elohim he-shall-become luminaries in·atmosphere-of the·heavens to·to-separate-of between the·day and·between the·night and·they-become for·signs and·for·appointments and·for·days and·years

1:15 and·they-become for·luminaries in·atmosphere-of the·heavens to·to-give-light-of on the·earth and·he-is-becoming so

1:16 and·he-is-making do Elohim two-of the·luminaries the·great-ones the·luminary the·great to·ruling-of the·day and the·luminary the·small to·ruling-of the·night and the·stars

1:17 and·he-is-giving ·them Elohim in·atmosphere-of the·heavens to·to-give-light-of on the·earth

1:18 and·to·to-rule-of in·the·day and·in·the·night and·to·to-separate-of between the·light and·between the·darkness and·he-is-seeing Elohim that good

1:19 and·he-is-becoming evening and·he-is-becoming morning day fourth
Genesis chapter 1 verses 14-19 | Hebrew Interlinear Bible (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf)


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14 And God saith, `Let luminaries be in the expanse of the heavens, to make a separation between the day and the night, then they have been for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years,

15 and they have been for luminaries in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth:' and it is so.

16 And God maketh the two great luminaries, the great luminary for the rule of the day, and the small luminary -- and the stars -- for the rule of the night;

17 and God giveth them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth,

18 and to rule over day and over night, and to make a separation between the light and the darkness; and God seeth that [it is] good;

19 and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day fourth.
Genesis 1:14-19 (Young's Literal Translation) | biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:14-19&version=YLT)
Title: Re: Genesis 1 (v 14-19) : the luminaries of the skies for signs and seasons
Post by: electrobleme on February 25, 2010, 22:41:27

the lights of the heavens are created after the formation of the earth and the seeds/plants?

does this show that the Golden Age / Garden of Eden was a time of natural power/energy/life on earth when we didnt need or have the sun/moon that we have today? plants may have grown with more Electric Universe energy than direct sunshine? perhaps plants adapted after the change and that is why they are different sizes and different types than before?

were we in the life giving energy of one of the gas giants (saturn configuration) or much closer into the sun when it was not in the plasma glow mode it is today?

the luminaries in the heavens were meant to help us keep note of the days of the year but it is interesting that it also says signs. if the solar system has been in its supposed Newtonian clockwork system for basically forever then why and how would the luminaries give us signs and what signs would they be? could this be a mention that the planets/luminaries were the startersof planetary and solar system catastrophe, that the ancients had witnessed?



Title: Re: Genesis 1 (v 14-19) : the luminaries of the skies for signs and seasons
Post by: peter on February 26, 2010, 04:42:34
the lights of the heavens are created after the formation of the earth and the seeds/plants?

God first created "heavens" (with all stars and galaxies) and then the earth.
The primal earth was covered by "waters above the above the expanse." (Genesis 1:7)
These waters becomes gradually clear and then the "luminaries" becomes visible under this dense atmosphere.

does this show that the Golden Age / Garden of Eden was a time of natural power/energy/life on earth when we didnt need or have the sun/moon that we have today? plants may have grown with more Electric Universe energy than direct sunshine? perhaps plants adapted after the change and that is why they are different sizes and different types than before?

The air was for sure more powerful and healthier than today (and in future, after the destruction of this old system by the divine Kingdom, the air will become again clear and healthy [Revelation 21])
At this time the plants has got enough light through the dense atmosphere. The light was diffuse and stars was not visible like today in our past-diluvian era. When Adam was created the "luminaries" was already visible and could be used as "signs" for dating.

The water above the expanse and the diluvian (Genesis 6,7,8)
At the time of Noah some rebellious angels materialized in form of human beings and got sexual relationship with womans.
From this time many legends exists! For example Hercules a "son of a god". (Note how imperfect the gods are in mythology! Imperfect like the egoistic demons!)

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1  Now it came about that when men started to grow in numbers on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2  then the sons of the [true] God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose.

The consequence of this act similar to "homosexuality" was a hybrid between human and angels, very strong and tall, but infertile like the hybrids between a jackass and  a horse (Hinny).

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4  The Neph´i·lim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the [true] God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.

God decided to destroy this abomination together with all the wicked people that has got relationship with the demons.

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5  Consequently Jehovah saw that the badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time.  6  And Jehovah felt regrets that he had made men in the earth, and he felt hurt at his heart. 7  So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground, from man to domestic animal, to moving animal and to flying creature of the heavens, because I do regret that I have made them.” 8  But Noah found favor in the eyes of Jehovah.

God command Noah to make a ark for saving himself and his family from a global flood.
(Interesting facts about the ark and the Fibonacci / Phi Number - http://goldennumber.net/bible.htm (http://goldennumber.net/bible.htm))
(Was the Flood of Noah’s Day Really Global? - http://lux-os.com/y/6q (http://lux-os.com/y/6q))

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11  In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12  And the downpour upon the earth went on for forty days and forty nights.

"the floodgates of the heavens were opened", means that the "water above the expanse" comes down again.
Now this fact has big consequences for the modern science, especially for the archeology. Because the "carbon dating" can only be accurate till the date of the diluvian. After the waters above the expanse fall down on earth, the earth was not protected / shielded like the prediluvian era.
Today scientists claims that no diluvian existed, only a "Ice Age" (they do many efforts for making the normal people believe in this fairytale!)

were we in the life giving energy of one of the gas giants (saturn configuration) or much closer into the sun when it was not in the plasma glow mode it is today?

In fact Adam lived more than 900 years.

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5  So all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.
(Genesis 5:5)

But his long lifetime was not due an external energy source.

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26  And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.”
(Genesis 1:26)

Life force (or Chi, Qi, Prana) is in fact consciousness. And consciousness is self-similar! This is the key for further understanding.
When the first humans, Adam and Eve, decided to decide on their own what is "good and bad" they disconnected from the source. They refused the fact that they are depended from God the primary source of consciousness. This destroyed the connection to God.

The "connection" is only available through the self-similarity!

"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God.” — John 17:3.

Jesus reestablished with his sacrifice this connection.

"When, now, he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and, bowing his head, he delivered up [his] spirit." — John 19:30


the luminaries in the heavens were meant to help us keep note of the days of the year but it is interesting that it also says signs. if the solar system has been in its supposed Newtonian clockwork system for basically forever then why and how would the luminaries give us signs and what signs would they be? could this be a mention that the planets/luminaries were the startersof planetary and solar system catastrophe, that the ancients had witnessed?

You mean perhaps Matthew 24:30
" And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Well, yes there exist a great probability that these signs will be literary signs. If the holy Angels of God get near the earth, their dynamic energy and very dense consciousness field will affect our "material reality" and our sun and our atmosphere.
But I personally don't believe in a planet like "Niburu" that approaches the earth and causes destructions, because "God is Love" and for this reason He will surely beware humanity for such a kind of catastrophe. He will justice the wicked ones, these system of corruption and materialism, but he will not destroy the earth.

"A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite." - Ecclesiastes 1:4

And we know in our modern days that sun and earth communicates with each other every 8 minutes. Is this perhaps a regulatory mechanism like a Radio clock.

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A radio clock is a clock that is synchronized  by a time code bit stream transmitted by a radio transmitter connected to a time standard such as an atomic clock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock)
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on February 27, 2010, 06:43:33
Do you think above/below were different events or could the planetary conjunction and the East of the Garden of Eden be a memory of what had happened? I suppose it depends on which you think came first, how old each event is, if the bible was a copy of other stories before etc
electrobleme  
Where would the bible stories have come from. To me there was a previous civilization with a different planetary configuration that got severely whacked and the human survivors lived in a primitive survival manner, eventually starting a new civilization. The stories the first survivors must have told their children are probably in the bible, somehow. Perhaps some of the ancient information was passed along to the children. This would be in the bible too. And then as the Solar System changed as the planets interacted, this would have produced stories that are in the bible. So we have very ancient information, stories of the break-up of the previous configuration, and stories of the emergence from a primitive lifestyle and the planetary interactions around that time.

Of course there is religious philosophy in there too - the Christ within, etc. I think that we can pick out stories of planetary interactions, just as we can find such things in the Egyptian stories. However Genesis could hold ancient information, break-up stories, planetary interaction stories, and probably religious philosophy from the times of writing the books of the bible. Too difficult.

how did all the kinds of plants evolve? how did we get such an amazing variety of lifeforms from plants to animals?

why were the lights of the sky formed after the plants and seeds?
were they seeded from space, did they come from other planets, did the Electric Universe (Gaia) create them from a natural design process from electromagnetic fields, was it random, gods or aliens?

one thing that needs to be noted is that the life of earth appeared from nothing, it had to start or come from somewhere but after each catrastophe that has struck the earth there has been an immense blossoming/radiation of life on this Earth.

does this show that the life either comes from the planets involved in the catastrophic events or that Gaia naturally produces the perfect life forms for the energy of the new environment of the planet?
electrobleme  

The sudden appearance of a very large variety of complex creatures in the Cambrian rocks, the first of the layered rocks formed, is very compelling evidence of a planetary interaction and transfer of life and sediment. Throw in the change of soil signature of the Cambrian compared with the old Precambrian rocks, the evidence is very strong.

Or is the passage refering to warming conditions and the return of plants after the planet had lessened it's eccentricity. It's hard to tell.
Mo
Title: The Ark of Covenant - electrical power device and weapon?
Post by: electrobleme on March 10, 2010, 07:05:06
The Ark of Covenant - electrical power device and weapon?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Ark-of-Covenant-replica-ngoma-lungundu-Harare-Zimbabwe-Tudor-Parfitt.jpg)
Ark of the Covenant replica called "ngoma lungundu" found in Harare Zimbabwe by Tudor Parfitt

In the God's Fire by Alfred de Grazia he goes into detail about the Biblical Ark of the Covenant being an electrical device and also an electrical weapon (chapter 4 - The Ark in Action) (http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/gf_docs/gf_4.pdf). I read years ago about a race of Black Africans, the Lemba people of Zimbabwe, who claim and appear to be of Jewish descent, a or the lost tribe of Isreal. Interesting stuff in itself and then i found just read this article about one of their sacred relics, ngoma lungundu. The Lemba people say and believe that the ngoma lungundu is a wooden replica of the Ark of the Covenant.


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Tudor Parfitt, who rediscovered the artefact three years ago, told the BBC he believed it was the oldest wooden object ever found in sub-Saharan Africa.

"On each corner there is the remnants of a wooden ring, and obviously at one point, it was carried by inserting poles through these two rings on either side," he said.

"Of course in the biblical account, that's precisely how the Ark of the Covenant was carried across the wilderness."
Zimbabwe displays 'Ark of Covenant replica' | bbc.co.uk (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8522097.stm)

Although this is fascinating in itself a description of its history is stunning, when considered with what previous scholars and Alfred de Grazia have investigated and said about the Ark of the Covenant.


African Ark of the Covenant - the drum that thunders and the Fire of God

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The Lemba, who number perhaps 80,000, live in central Zimbabwe and the north of South Africa.
Zimbabwean... And they also have a prized religious artefact that they say connects them to their Jewish ancestry - a replica of the Biblical Ark of the Covenant known as the ngoma lungundu, meaning "the drum that thunders".

....The oral traditions of the Lemba say that the ngoma lungundu is the Biblical wooden Ark made by Moses, and that centuries ago a small group of men began a long journey carrying it from Yemen to southern Africa.

...Carbon dating shows the ngoma to be nearly 700 years old - pretty ancient, if not as old as Bible stories would suggest.

But Prof Parfitt says this is because the ngoma was used in battles, and would explode and be rebuilt.

The ngoma now on display was a replica, he says, possibly built from the remains of the original.

"So it's the closest descendant of the Ark that we know of," Prof Parfitt says.
Lost Jewish tribe 'found in Zimbabwe' | bbc.co.uk (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8550614.stm)


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/ngoma-lungundu-Ark-of-Covenant-replica-Lemba-people-black-Africans-Jewish-ancestry.jpg)
The "ngoma lungundu" of the Lemba people - Ark of Covenant replica?


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...a drumlike object called the ngoma lungundu. The ngoma, according to the Lemba, was near-divine, used to store ritual objects, and borne on poles inserted into rings. It was too holy to touch the ground or to be touched by non-priests, and it emitted a "Fire of God" that killed enemies and, occasionally, Lemba. A Lemba elder told Parfitt, "[It] came from the temple in Jerusalem. We carried it down here through Africa."

...Parfitt's final hunt for the ngoma, which dropped from sight in the 1940s, landed him in sometimes-hostile territory ("Bullets shattered the rear screen," of his car, he writes). Ark leads had guided him to Egypt, Ethiopia and even New Guinea, until one day last fall his clues led him to a storeroom of the Harare Museum of Human Science in Zimbabwe. There, amidst nesting mice, was an old drum with an uncharacteristic burnt-black bottom hole ("As if it had been used like a cannon," Parfitt notes), the remains of carrying rings on its corners; and a raised relief of crossed reeds that Parfitt thinks reflects an Old Testament detail. "I felt a shiver go down my spine," he writes.

A Lead on the Ark of the Covenant | time.com (http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1715337,00.html)


video link: Is the ‘lost ark’ found? (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/23406793#23406793) - Dr. Tudor Parfitt, author of “The Lost Ark of the Covenant,” talks to TODAY’s Matt Lauer about the 2,500-year old mystery of the missing Biblical ark.







Title: Re: Genesis 1 (v 14-19) : the luminaries of the skies for signs and seasons
Post by: electrobleme on March 23, 2010, 07:20:22
the lights of the heavens are created after the formation of the earth and the seeds/plants?

God first created "heavens" (with all stars and galaxies) and then the earth.
The primal earth was covered by "waters above the above the expanse." (Genesis 1:7)
These waters becomes gradually clear and then the "luminaries" becomes visible under this dense atmosphere.

does this show that the Golden Age / Garden of Eden was a time of natural power/energy/life on earth when we didnt need or have the sun/moon that we have today? plants may have grown with more Electric Universe energy than direct sunshine? perhaps plants adapted after the change and that is why they are different sizes and different types than before?

The air was for sure more powerful and healthier than today (and in future, after the destruction of this old system by the divine Kingdom, the air will become again clear and healthy [Revelation 21])
At this time the plants has got enough light through the dense atmosphere. The light was diffuse and stars was not visible like today in our past-diluvian era. When Adam was created the "luminaries" was already visible and could be used as "signs" for dating.

....

"the floodgates of the heavens were opened", means that the "water above the expanse" comes down again.
Now this fact has big consequences for the modern science, especially for the archeology. Because the "carbon dating" can only be accurate till the date of the diluvian. After the waters above the expanse fall down on earth, the earth was not protected / shielded like the prediluvian era.
Today scientists claims that no diluvian existed, only a "Ice Age" (they do many efforts for making the normal people believe in this fairytale!)

were we in the life giving energy of one of the gas giants (saturn configuration) or much closer into the sun when it was not in the plasma glow mode it is today?

In fact Adam lived more than 900 years.

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5  So all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years and he died.
(Genesis 5:5)

But his long lifetime was not due an external energy source.

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26  And God went on to say: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.”
(Genesis 1:26)

Life force (or Chi, Qi, Prana) is in fact consciousness. And consciousness is self-similar! This is the key for further understanding.
When the first humans, Adam and Eve, decided to decide on their own what is "good and bad" they disconnected from the source. They refused the fact that they are depended from God the primary source of consciousness. This destroyed the connection to God.

The "connection" is only available through the self-similarity!

....

But I personally don't believe in a planet like "Niburu" that approaches the earth and causes destructions, because "God is Love" and for this reason He will surely beware humanity for such a kind of catastrophe. He will justice the wicked ones, these system of corruption and materialism, but he will not destroy the earth.



i have shortened the quote of your post as i could have just print it all but had to only pick a few things to discuss further

i like the further explanation of the water and the earth

your explanation of the nephalim is good from a christian point of view and perhaps with only a change of names would be recognised by those who believe in the seeding of the earth by ETs, if it is not the same event

the ages of man, not just living longer because of the healthier world and energy but due to being more in tune with the EM field of the universe. could also changes in the earths orbit and the length of the year (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=150.0) be another reason for the difference in the years that we and they lived?

what you say about Nibiru, do you also apply that to the supposed planetary catastrophes that have occured to the earth in the Electric Universe Theory or are you meaning the total destruction of the earth?




Title: Genesis 7 and 8 - Noah the flood and the deluge
Post by: electrobleme on March 23, 2010, 07:55:52


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Genesis 7
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.  21 Every living thing that moved on the earth perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22  Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.


Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. 2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. 3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, 4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

13 By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. 14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.
Genesis 7 and 8 | New International Version (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%207&version=NIV)



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Genesis 7
11In the six hundredth year of the life of Noah, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, in this day have been broken up all fountains of the great deep, and the net-work of the heavens hath been opened,

Genesis 8
2 and closed are the fountains of the deep and the net-work of the heavens, and restrained is the shower from the heavens.
Genesis chapters 7 and 8 (Young's Literal Translation) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+7&version=YLT)


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7:11 they-were-rent all-of springs-of abyss vast and·crevices-of the·heavens they-were-opened

8:1 and·he-is-causing-to-pass Elohim wind over the·earth and·they-are-subsiding the·waters
8:2 and·they-are-being-held-in-check springs-of abyss and·crevices-of the·heavens and·he-is-being-detained the·downpour from the·heavens
8:3 and·they-are-returning the·waters from·on the·earth to-go and·to-return and·they-are-abating
Genesis chapters 7 and 8 (Hebrew Interlinear Bible) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen7.pdf)

The bible does seem to back up the idea that the flood came from inside the earth and from the deluge in from the heavens. But how and what happened? Did the water come from our atmosphere or was it transferred from another planet? Where and what were the waters that came from the inside of the earthm, from the abyss?

What was the wind of god that caused the waters to abate, did it cause the flood and the deluge to stop? It seems according to biblical accounts the wind (spirit/current?) of god flowed and then the water flood/deluge stopped. Was this due to the end of a planetary connection, the equalisation of the earth and that planet? Leaving the earth or its surface in "equal" charge so not attracting or creating the huge amounts of water?








Title: The Arks to produce electric arc discharges?
Post by: electrobleme on March 23, 2010, 18:08:41
The Arks to produce electric arc discharges?

Some of Alfred de Grazia's ideas on there also being an Egyptian Ark are covered shown and quoted in the egyptian mythology post
 (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg940#msg940)

quote below from God's Fire (chapter 4 - The Ark in Action) (http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/gf_docs/gf_4.pdf) by Alfred de Grazia mentions where he mentions the electrical nature of the Ark (and Noahs Ark) and his idea of an Egyptian Ark.

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(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Egyptian-Ark-Procession-III-Denkmaler-Die-Lade-Jahves-das-Allerheiligste-des-Solomonischen-Temples-forum.jpg)
Egyptian Ark being transported?

A capacitor or condenser of the size of the Ark might be rated in many thousands of volts if atmospheric electricity were more continuous and abundant then it is today and if the earth had suffered shocks and were emitting electricity in the aftermath. Large sources of leaking or gathering earth charges and a heavily
electrified atmosphere would be required. The operators of the Ark system would, under such favorable conditions, be able to induce repeated sparks, of heavy or light intensity, slowly or rapidly.

Early modern science also discovered that electricity could be induced from the atmosphere and ground to produce differential charges and then sparking or shocking discharges. This discovery was combined with the knowledge that a charge could be built up by scraping the electrical "fluid" off of certain materials and loading it onto other materials. So they went about rubbing and storing and discharging electricity with cloths and amber or glass or gem sticks. They devised machines to create ever larger charges. One experimenter was sure be could create a discharge attaining the power of a lightning bolt by enlarging
the surface to hold the charge which a rubbing machine would create. Some inventors imagined they might fabricate a circular series of lugs that could turn a wheel whose bits would be alternately attracted and repelled until a perpetual motion machine was thought to be possible.

Did Moses and the Levites explore frictional electric manufacturing so thoroughly? They probably did; once begun, the logic and direction of experimentation is irresistible [22]. However, the difference between those days and nowadays is that the Exodus atmosphere had more than enough to offer to build any usable charges without further exertion. Like agriculture was unnecessary in the climate and ecology of Adam and Eve's Garden of Eden, electrical manufacture in Moses' time did not require hydraulic, fossil, animal, or human energy input.

...The Ark box was gold outside and gold inside with an insulating layer of hard wood in between. The lid of the box, the kapporeth, also of wood overlain with gold, held at each end a cherub of gold. These cherubim faced each other with their wings spread out. In between them, over the lid, when he chose to be among his people, hovered Yahweh. This was his "mercy seat," in the anachronous English translation. Here he manifested
himself to his people and, it is important to stress, to their enemies.

...The Bible affords images of Yahweh enthroned on the wings, speaking of "the ark of the covenant of the Lord of hosts, who is enthroned on the cherubim."[28] He at the same time is "the Lord, that dwelleth between the cherubim, whose name is called on it." And another verse speaks of "the ark of God, whereupon is called the Name, even the name of the Lord of hosts who sits enthroned on the cherubim."[29] Then Yahweh is appealed to, with the words: "Thou that dwelleth between the cherubim, shine forth." Moreover, Yahweh says, I will speak with you from above the Kapporeth, from between the two cherubim that are upon the ark of the testimony
of all that I will give you in commandment for the children of Israel."[30]

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Cherubim-of-Nimrud-aegis-of-Bastet-on-the-flowering-Lily-tree.jpg)
Figure 11. Cherubim of Nimrud. In this piece open work of ivory, a pair of winged female figures wearing
the Egyptian double crown protect with their outstretched wings the aegis of Bastet on the flowering "Lily" tree between them. Since Nimrud (or Kalah) became the Assyrian capital city only after 880 BC The plaque must
be post- Mosaic. The resemblance to the floral pattern to flames and even the Lion of Judah may indicate the invisible electrical flames. A very old principle of opposing and yet cooperative forces seems to be incorporated in the twin figures so often encountered around the world-- from Castor to Pollux to Yin and Yangmartin, pp 293ff: Ziegler, pp 113ff)It appears more likely than not that the two identical cherubim of the Ark are mossaic version of this universal twinship. (source: redrawn from Kenyon p58)


God's Fire (chapter 4 - The Ark in Action) | Alfred de Grazia (http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/gf_docs/gf_4.pdf)
Title: Fire of God - the ngoma lungundu
Post by: electrobleme on March 23, 2010, 18:42:50


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/ngoma-lungundu-Ark-of-the-Covenant-artefact-replica-sacred-relics.jpg)
ngoma lungundu a sacred relic for the Lemba tribe - Ark of the Covenant artefact or replica?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/ngoma-lungundu-African-jewish-tribe-priests-acr-reconstruction-Tudor-Parfitt-small.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/ngoma-lungundu-African-jewish-tribe-priests-acr-reconstruction-Tudor-Parfitt.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/african-other-arcs-ngoma-lungundu-The-Lemba-people-black-jewish-tribe-Zimbabwe.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/african-other-arcs-ngoma-lungundu-The-Lemba-people-black-jewish-tribe-Zimbabwe-large.jpg)
The ngoma lungundu - is this an African jewish tribes reconstruction of an arc? Tudor Parfitt lived and spoke to the Lemba people a tribe in Zimbabwe and their priest folk lore suggests it is.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Fire-of-God-form-temple-in-Jerusalem-ngoma-lungundu.jpg)
the Fire of God - carried from the temple in Jerusalem and this version of the Arc called the ngoma lungundu

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/how-was-the-Ark-of-the-Covenant-carried-across-the-wilderness-ngoma-lungundu.jpg)
how was the Ark of the Covenant carried across the wilderness? the african arc, the ngoma lungundu reconstructed




Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: kevin on March 23, 2010, 22:04:47
Electrobleme,
                    Glad You are back, this site is a credit to You and one of great interest and inspiration.

I would recommend that We find out the very finite crystaline structure of gold, then think in terms of geometric field of opposing structure been imploded into the ark, the crystaline refractive structure of certain woods been employed to ensure this implosion, as Wilhelm reich did.
If the ark itself is then positioned precisely in the geometric implosion point wherever it is, thus it will then implode whatever is travelling into it, or deposit such(manna)
I can supply the rod to ensure position( arons rod)
A seed pod may be composed of the correct geometries, otherwise fibonacci will supply the measure.
From little acorns , giant oaks grow.
Kevin
Title: Re: signs and wonders in the skies... and a third of the sun was smitten?
Post by: ElectricUniverse on March 25, 2010, 09:34:52
Mo, great verses describing planetary catastrophe and the poor buggers on earth that died or lived through it!

It has to happen again... will it happen slowly or quickly... will we know what is happening... will the EU theory people be like todays christians walking around with signs saying "The end of the world is nigh"...what will be the signs and wonders seen in the skies?

Never thought of the Lord as a planet but it makes sense, if the other Gods were planets or events then why not the Lord/God.


and a third of the sun was smitten

(http://www.theplasmaverse.com/images/revelations812-star-spots-xxtriangulum-hd12545-sunspots-advert.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=162)
Star Spot (sun spot) found on the K0 giant star XX Triangulum (HD 12545) or a third of the sun was smitten?


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10 For the stars of the heavens, and their constellations, Cause not their light to shine, Darkened hath been the sun in its going out, And the moon causeth not its light to come forth.
Isaiah 13:10 (Young's Literal Translation) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2013:10&version=YLT)

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Then the fourth angel blew [his] trumpet, and a third of the sun was smitten, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that [the light of] a third of them was darkened, and a third of the daylight [itself] was withdrawn, and likewise a third [of the light] of the night was kept from shining.
Revelation 8:12 (Amplified Bible) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%208:12&version=AMP)

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AND THE FOURth MESSENGER TRUMPETS AND WAS-given-a-BLOW [was-eclipsed] THE third OF-THE SUN AND THE third OF-THE MOON AND THE third OF-THE GLEAMers [stars] THAT MAY-BE-BEING-DARKenED THE third OF-them AND THE DAY NO MAY-BE-APPEARING THE [for-the] third OF-her [of-her-it] AND THE NIGHT LIKE-AS [likewise]
Revelation 8:12 (Greek Interlinear Bible NT) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev8.pdf)


The image above of XX Triangulum (HD 12545) shows the largest Star Spot or Sun Spot found so far in the Universe. Is this evidence of how the Sun, moon and stars could darken? In an Electrical Universe the Stars have to be powered by electricity so if the power is reduced or something changes in the Star itself then it could change.

More images and a press release relating to the largest Star Spot can be found in this article here on The Electric Sky (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/verse/the-electric-sky.html)





Electrobleme,

Perhaps three years ago when I first saw the photo of HD12545 on page 156 of Don Scott's Electric Sky, I came instantly to the exact same conclusion regarding the passage in Revelation about 1/3 of the sun not giving off its light,. I continued to work hard to really absorb what Scott presented in that chapter regarding there being really no such thing as star class distinction between stars, brown and red dwarfs, and planets (especially large gaseuos planets). And how the HR diagram is obsolete and does not even plot them most vital  characteristic on an Electric Star : its Current Density at the Star's Surface. The H-R Diagram is inverted and fails completely to predict rapid movement of stars from one class to another in extremely brief periods of time (days in some cases). Once I fully grasped the fundamentals of the Electric Star/Sun model, it all made perfect sense, that not just our sun BUT ANY STAR, can almost instantly transform from one stage of photospheric discharge (dark,glow, or arc)  when its external electrical currect density input fluctuates dramatically. So when we see an entire half of a globe of a star in dark mode when the rest is in arc mode, we can deduce there is a severe electrical gradient differential at the photosphere of that star bewteen the two sides. Or think of it like this. One side of the star - the one in arc-mode, is anormal star, while the dark side is consistent with the characteristcis of a brown-drwarf, or red-dwarf. So a star in such a state is actually a hybrid Star/brown/red dwarf.
Title: Re: Consciousness as foundation of our reality - Part 1 - Higher Order and Plasma
Post by: ElectricUniverse on March 25, 2010, 10:11:52
as you mention in the Akashic Records thread (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=182.msg665#msg665) lying is similar to "sin" and increases resistance to the flow or your connection to the EU/Gods/Force...

Truth and not sinning increases your conductivity making you more of a superconductor. this perhaps explains the idea of reincarnation, coming back as a better life/energy force, something more purer/conductive to the EU/Gods/Force energy/fields.

Does sinning increase your resistance so when you go to hell you burst into flames, so to speak! if you are more purer when you die then you are full of energy and light up so to speak. why good/happy/pure/innocent people seem to glow with energy?

I don't believe in a think that is called "Hell". This was an invention of some people that tries to control illegally the faithful people. But now that the Bible is translated in a modern language everybody can read the Truth about the life and what happens to us when we die.

The only semantic domain of the Biblical soul in the Old Testament is the Hebrew word nephesh, which literally means the "complete life of a being" though it is usually used in the sense of "living being" (breathing creature).
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh)

The Bible states that human will die and return to dust:
"In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return."
Genesis 3:19

And all souls die:
"Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die."
Ezekiel 18:4

Are the dead people conscious?
"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5

"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish."

Psalm 146:4

King Salomon wrote about the death following inspired words:
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19  For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20  All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21  Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth?
Ecclesiastes 3:19-21

Many people believe in an immortal soul (and or in a reincarnation) because of their fear for death. It is normal to fear death, because humans has embedded the will to live forever in their hearts, it is a part of our nature to live forever!

"Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish."
Ecclesiastes 3:11

All people that die will have a hope to come again to life during the resurrection of the death:
"...and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous."
Acts 24:15

Again I repeat the words of Nikola Tesla, to make you note the similar ideas:
"As I see life on this planet, there is no individuality. It may sound ridiculous to say so, but I believe each person is but a wave passing through space, ever-changing from minute to minute as it travels along, finally, some day, just becoming dissolved."

The resurrection can only occur if there exist a God that is able to remember us in his vast memory and willing to remember us:
"But the very hairs of YOUR head are all numbered."
Matthew 10:30

" He is counting the number of the stars;
All of them he calls by [their] names.
 Our Lord is great and is abundant in power;
His understanding is beyond recounting.
"
Psalm 147:4,5

So for the dead people exist a hope based on the Holy Word of our God. His promises will set us free from the fear of death.
But for million people today there exist another electrifying hope to survive the End of this Old System and never die!

Electricity has a straight relation to the Truth. We make all part of a "electric wave", we are all forming one organism. Like the cells in a brain, individuals has their responsibility to communicate with each other. A thought is only formed by complex electric patterns in a brain. If a neuron-cell refuse to communicate (to response), then for what is this cell good for? Responsibility is not an virtue, it is the foundation of our life and consciousness. Refusing to response is comparable to refuse to live!

God would never torture a living creator reincarnating him again and again or burning him for eternity in Hell, because of the fact that God is love:
"God is love, and he that remains in love remains in union with God and God remains in union with him."
1. John 4:16

Note that the words "remaining in union" could be translated also as "connecting with his vast morphic field".

Ah, it seems  you have been studying the bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, for they are the only Christian sect that know all these points you have brought out here. I studied the Bible with them intensely for five years and am grateful even know for what I learned about the bibles teaching from those studies.
Title: Re: Consciousness as foundation of our reality - Part 1 - Higher Order and Plasma
Post by: peter on March 25, 2010, 19:48:55
Ah, it seems  you have been studying the bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, for they are the only Christian sect that know all these points you have brought out here. I studied the Bible with them intensely for five years and am grateful even know for what I learned about the bibles teaching from those studies.

True.
Including God in Science everything make sense.

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What Quantum Mechanics Proves About Consciousness

The implications of quantum physics is so beyond our everyday understanding of reality that, Neils Bohr, one of the most influential physicist of the 20th century, considered  it "fundamentally incomprehensible", and Richard Feynman, one of its greatest teachers famously said "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics".

Quantum physics confounds the mind because it proves that without an observer, reality as we know it would not exist. Known as The Observer Effect, it implies that not only did an observer precede all known phenomena that we think of as reality, but that the act of observing brought that same reality into existence. This of course leads to a profound but obvious conclusion: being that observation is an act of consciousness, consciousness therefore must have pre-existed before anything else. 
The Observer Effect  - In The Words Of Quantum Physicists

Marx Planck Founder of Quantum Theory 
"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter."

Anton Zeilinger Quantum Physicist

"What is real is dependent upon whether I look and the way I look.  This is not a philosophical question we can see this in experiment. "

John Hagelin Quantum Physicist
"The ultimate inseparability of the observer from the observed."

Neils Bohr Quantum Physicist

"Everything is possibility until an observer observes and then things come into being."

Amit Goswami Theoretical Nuclear Physicist 
"The meaning of quantum physics gives us a new world view ... consciousness is the ground of our being....Quantum physics enables us to see directly that we can make sense of the world only if we base the world on consciousness.".

As in any field of science there is debate and differing lines of enquiry, but as physicist Frank Herbert observed " most physicists agree that the results of measurements are truly real." In other words no one can dispute the findings of quantum physics because the pure science of math required to prove the theories doesn't lie. So if the math is correct, we are forced to conclude: the substance of the universe is consciousness. So what is consciousness?
Source: http://www.consciousnessquantum.com/whatquantumphysicsprovesaboutconsciousness.htm (http://www.consciousnessquantum.com/whatquantumphysicsprovesaboutconsciousness.htm)

So what is consciousness?
For me personally, consciousness is only ONE. All creation is related to the ONE and how Nikola Tesla formulated it once "as I see life on this planet, there is no individuality".
Adam and Eve disconnected from the Original Source of Consciousness, the ONE, that is Jehovah or JHVH or Jahve (the Name of God).

Now actually what happens inside us, in our body?
The cells that should normally collaborate with each other in harmony behaves rebellious. Why? Because we are born in sin and the sin in us leads us to oppose to the perfect will of God. The cells in our body imitate our behavior (personal and from society) and so our life-force flows not through eternal cycles. We are destinate to die.

Microcosm and Macrocosm out of trajectory
Our Body has 12 major energy paths (meridians). On this meridians are 361 influence points (micro-vortexes similar to chakras). Our earth has 12 months and 360 days. As I mentioned in my newsblog the 365 days that we have today are not natural, because our earth was catapulted out of it's original orbit around the sun during a major global catastrophe.
Before the Kingdom of God will be established on earth, the trajectory of our earth will be fixed again to the original 360 days per year. You already mentioned the Bible passage of Revelation when the third of our sun will not giving off its light. During and short after this event the humans are forced to follow too the "perfect path in their hearts". Every action and every thought should be considered in sight of an eternal life and for the best of all. No egoistical action will endure. No lie or evil thought will come to completion then. This days are called "great tribulation".
The correction of the original trajectory will be the first act of the Heavens Kingdom, our new government. This government from heaven will replace all governments on earth. Personally I believe that this time is really near.
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on March 28, 2010, 08:21:35
10 For the stars of the heavens, and their constellations, Cause not their light to shine, Darkened hath been the sun in its going out, And the moon causeth not its light to come forth.
Isaiah 13:10 (Young's Literal Translation)

Probably dusty conditions. I think dust clumped often in electrical conditions and produced mythical beings in doing so. So there was a lot of dust effects in those days.
Mo
Title: The Electric Universe Bible and accessing the Akashic Records
Post by: electrobleme on March 29, 2010, 06:38:11
having a religious or faith belief energizes our body by connecting with the electric universe, so when people seem to glow when they have a faith in something its because they are glowing as the energy surges through them? connecting to the Akashic Records is like powering up and recharging your body. any cells that come under the influence of electromagnetic forces are affected and changed.

the great catastrophes cause changes to our body as the EU changes greatly. does accessing the Akashing Records also become easier or harder if our local EU has changed or is it just us that changes? do the changes to ourselves change what we can access? when you become a member of the AR you get new privileges and as your go up the levels more so? or do you just recognise what is already there but you could not see it before? similar to EU stuff, you have been living in this universe your whole life but at 1 moment in time, when you first discovered the EU theory the whole universe changes. from then on it changes more rapidly as you see how it is linked, your knowledge, recognition or access to it changes.

the change in orbit is fascinating, if we were designed for one orbit which is an energy level or place in the EU and we humans are electric then our bodies could be wrong for this orbit. why we had a golden age before when everything was peaceful and wonderful and then when the orbit changed everything changed. anger, fear, frustration, hatred towards god for allowing everything that was perfect to be lost and changed.

will we ever go back to the same orbit though? even if we go back to the same orbit the energy field will be different i would think as it would be a different EU?

and talking about if these things will be soon the EU people understand that the earth and our solar system can change dramatically. are there any physical signs in the EU that would show something is brewing up, anything in history or that someone in the EU has written? the sun getting a massive sunspot might be the most obvious sign? i have thought that changes to our natural world would show this.

things like those Noctilucent Clouds that have appeared after the Krakatoa eruption. maybe punch hole clouds are similar? would the northern lights increase dramatically? dust and sand storms get stronger and longer? a return of proper St Elmos fire etc
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible and space dust
Post by: electrobleme on March 29, 2010, 06:49:31
10 For the stars of the heavens, and their constellations, Cause not their light to shine, Darkened hath been the sun in its going out, And the moon causeth not its light to come forth.
Isaiah 13:10 (Young's Literal Translation)


Probably dusty conditions. I think dust clumped often in electrical conditions and produced mythical beings in doing so. So there was a lot of dust effects in those days.
Mo


Sounds a good alternative to the sun spots a third of the sun, or, its own very different physical effect.  good to re read things after a certain time and amount of new knowledge. also great doing it like an internet bible book club as i have no one else to discuss this particular topic with!

this dust thing fitting in with the discussion of the Comet Venus (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.0) book. Actually i am going to "copy and post" it in there now!

Title: Exodus chapters 19,20 and 24 - The EU God appears on Mount Sinai?
Post by: electrobleme on March 29, 2010, 07:09:12


Exodus chapters 19,20 and 24 - The EU God appears on Mount Sinai?

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Exodus 19 (New International Version)

16 On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled. 17 Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. 18 Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the LORD descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, the whole mountain trembled violently, 19 and the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder. Then Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him.

20 The LORD descended to the top of Mount Sinai and called Moses to the top of the mountain
Exodus 19 (New International Version) | biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+19&version=NIV)

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Exodus 20 (New International Version)

18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. 

21 The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.
Exodus 20 (New International Version) | biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV)

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Exodus 24 (New International Version)

9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself.

15 When Moses went up on the mountain, the cloud covered it, 16  and the glory of the LORD settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day the LORD called to Moses from within the cloud.
Exodus 24 (New International Version) | biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2024&version=NIV)
Title: Re: Exodus chapters 19,20 and 24 - The EU God appears on Mount Sinai?
Post by: electrobleme on March 29, 2010, 07:28:34
sounds like a lot of EU things to me, the sound of the trumpet etc...

what i now found interesting is the timing of this, the battles to come and that it is mentioned that the Ark of the Covenant was constructed after or duing this time, this show of the EU God. Did Moses or the people learn special things about the EU and how to harness it?

What did or could have these events been?

One thing that i now read that i had not noticed before was the line "Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself." Previously when reading Revelation 21 and the construction of the new holy city i had considered the following to be a description of how material was transformed in the EU, some sort of alchemy.

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Revelation 21

16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17He measured its wall and it was 144 cubits thick, by man's measurement, which the angel was using. 18The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 21The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass.
Revelation 21 (New International Version) | biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21&version=NIV)

i will have to have a new look at it and see what i think it might be now.

The book of Revelation is an immense book and we should start discussing it. if anyone wants to post chapters, verses or ideas that they have about Revelation then please get the party started :)

what i will do is that the next post will be an index page with links to the various chapters and discussions (similar to this) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg533#msg533). i suspect and hope that the discussion on Revelations should be fairly long and wide ranging so it might be to much for that other links page.

got a question for Peter and ElectricUniverse, do the Jehovah's Witnesses study a different bible to the "normal" one, do you study extra books? and Peter how does your EU Theory stuff go down with the JWs?

Title: The Electric Universe Bible - Revelations discussion links page
Post by: electrobleme on March 29, 2010, 07:30:57

The Electric Universe Bible - Revelations discussion links page

links to the various Revelations discussions and posts will be put here
Title: The Egyptian Ark of the Covenant?
Post by: electrobleme on March 29, 2010, 07:59:42
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(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Ark-of-the-Covenant-egyptian-chest-Tutankhamuns-Tomb.jpg)
The Ark of the Covenant may have looked similar to this chest (found in the Tomb of Tutankhamun).

The Bible describes the Ark as made of shittah-tree wood (acacia), known to the Egyptians as the Tree of Life and an important plant in traditional medicine containing in many cases psychoactive alkaloids. It was 1.5 cubits broad and high, and 2.5 cubits long, conforming to the golden ratio. The Ark was covered all over with the purest gold. Its upper surface or lid, the mercy seat, was surrounded with a rim of gold.

On each of the two long sides were two gold rings, wherein were placed two wooden poles (with a decorative sheathing of gold), to allow the Ark to be carried (Num. 7:9; 10:21; 4:5,19, 20; 1 Kings 8:3, 6). Over the Ark, at the two extremities, were two cherubim, with their faces turned toward one another (Leviticus 16:2; Num. 7:89). Their outspread wings over the top of the Ark formed the throne of God, while the Ark itself was his footstool (Ex. 25:10-22; 37:1-9). The Ark was placed in the "Holy of Holies," so that one end of the carrying poles touched the veil separating the two compartments of the tabernacle (1 Kings 8:8 ). The Book of Deuteronomy describes the Ark as a simple wooden container with no mention of ornaments or gold. Similarly, the Quran makes a reference to the Ark as a wooden box with holy relics inside it.

The Ark of the Covenant | crystalinks (http://www.crystalinks.com/ark.html)


I read it but can not find it now (will add it later if someone knows where it is or i find it) that God says to the people that he or his power will go before the jews and help them to victories over their enemies. The above suggests that the Ark was carried in front of the peoples, is this what it is referring to?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Canopic-Chest-of-King-Pharaoh-Tutankhamuns-tomb.jpg)
photograph of the Canopic Chest of King Tutankhamun (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandrovannini/page3/) found in his tomb

If the Egyptians did have their own versions of the Ark of the Covenant could one have survived, are there variations on a theme of them? They could either be something very ordinary looking or something very different. I am not suggesting this is one, as I have only just thought about this after seeing the crystalinks thing, but if its something very different would it be strange like the "Canopic Chest of Tutankhamun" for example?

Could there be other variations of the Ark of the Covenant around the world in other countries?


Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on March 29, 2010, 13:31:58
12I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13and among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man,"dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

Is it just me, or do others see something electrical here. A toroidal sash ?  There is that sword again.

 1After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this." 2At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne. 4Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God. 6Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
   In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." 9Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:
 11"You are worthy, our Lord and God,
   to receive glory and honor and power,
   for you created all things,
      and by your will they were created
      and have their being."

Again. The flashes of lightning and blazing lamps, etc. This puts the lion, ox, face and eagle in the sky as a visual thing. The 7 is a stable plasma formation.

12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

 15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

A classic !  Clear as a bell. Polar shift. The throne and the Lamb were in the sky.

7The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

 8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

 10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

 12The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

Other than the mysterious thirds, heavy astral events are portrayed.

17The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury

Also horses in the sky with very electrical effects.

More later I guess,
Mo
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on March 30, 2010, 09:45:31
19Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

So the temple and the ark of his covenant were in the sky. Along with the usual electrical effects.

1A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
 7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.  

A birth in the sky, so the appearance of something that was not noticeable previously. So probably Venus or Mercury or the Moon. The dragon and Satan clearly from the sky.

When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Again the eagle, and now a river of water from the sky.

13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.

Clear description of a firey electrical occurrence.

The Harvest of the Earth
 14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man"[a] with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.  

Sounds like an electrical sickle to me !

17The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

The great city was presumably in the sky. How do islands flee, and mountains disappear. Mighty big hailstones.

So this ends a first pass through revelation. One wonders whether just about everything depicted in this book of revelation happened in the sky. Was Moses in the sky ?  There are many keys to the bible however.
Mo
Title: revelations and the Dogon
Post by: electrobleme on March 30, 2010, 16:55:17
12I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13and among the lampstands was someone "like a son of man,"dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

Is it just me, or do others see something electrical here. A toroidal sash ?  There is that sword again.
Mo




first thought is the white squatter man, stars in his hand, blazing white. the sword is interesting and it coming out of his mouth. does this show that the man in the sky was huge and sword was a birkeland current coming down to cut and create catastrophe on the earth, or is it the squatter man touching down to ground?

when i looked into the squatter man before i found out that the Dogon (african tribe) had face masks that seemed to be perfect squatting man, some of their festivals are so EU its amazing. But what really struck me was that the men with the really tall masks, at the end of one dance, have to sweep their heads/masks down to touch the earth! Is this what happened at the end to the squatter man, he visited the earth or he turned into/sent  a sword to the earth?

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Dancers swing the mask in sweeping motions to represent the arc of the sun

there is enough images in this post already but if you have a read of this national geographic article (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0529_030529_dogon_2.html) and then look at a couple of these Dogo photos (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/photogalleries/dogon/photo6.html) you have to think squatting man / tree of life or something similar


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/squatting-squatter-man-petroglyphs-rockart-highenergyzpinchplasmadischarge-forum.jpg) (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/verse/squatterman-plasmadischarges-petroglyphs.html)


stars in hand, 7 lines/hands/stars? the phrase "in his right hand" can mean a number of different things and not just talking about a literal hand

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/solar-disk-ashur-tree-of-life-seal-thumbb.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg774#msg774)


 but what about gary gilligans ideas of the Epliptic Haze / earths Dust Ring of Hathor etc? perhaps going through a massive discharge or event? or birkeland currents discharging and flowing around the earth?

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/marstutsc.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg769#msg769)


and talking of sashes and robes...

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egyptian-kings-pharoahs-pharaohs-isis-hathor-djed-raising-religous.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg794#msg794)


Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: The Aten on March 31, 2010, 02:12:28
IMO the bible has little if any historical value whatsoever. Unlike the 'sacred' hieroglyphs and images which were written in the 'here and now,’ the bible is a corrupt version of celestial events previous (the very same events I talk about in my books). Drawing from Egyptian and Mesopotamian sources (cosmic chaos) later generations have attempted to decipher ancient scripture in an attempt to identify the celestial god or gods of old - gods no longer extant due to chaos subsiding and the gods leaving mankind to fend for themselves. This has led to a collection of authors imposing the own bias beliefs on what god should or shouldn't be.  

An example of sourced Egyptian stuff, and one I often quote, can be found by comparing Psalm 104 to Akhenaten's hymn to the Aten.

Psalm 104, the great manifesto of God's all-encompassing power, read how He created grass for cattle to eat, and trees for birds to nest in, and the sea for ships to sail and fish to swim in:

Bless the Lord . . . you who coverest thyself with light as with a garment . . .
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters; . . .
He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and . . . the trees
Where the birds make their nests; as for the stork, the fir trees are her house.
The high hills are a refuge for the wild goats; . . .
(As) the sun ariseth, (the beasts) gather themselves together . . .
There go the ships: there is that leviathan (whale), whom thou hast made to play therein.

Compare to the Hymn to the Aten which says:

When the land grows bright and you are risen from the Akhet (horizon) and shining in the sun-disk by day, . . .
All flocks (are) at rest on their grasses, trees and grasses flourishing;
Birds flown from their nest, their wings in adoration of your life-force;
All flocks prancing on foot, all that fly and alight living as you rise for them;
Ships going downstream and upstream too, every road open at your appearance;
Fish on the river leaping to your face, your rays even inside the sea. (trans. James P. Allen)

The similarity is simply astounding. Comparing these passages, who could argue against the bible as having been influenced by the ancient Egyptians?

Conclusion; God, in this particular case was most definitely a celestial body. We have a slightly corrupt version of the hymn to the Aten (Mercury).

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Ark-of-the-Covenant-egyptian-chest-Tutankhamuns-Tomb.jpg)

Tutankamun’s ‘chest’ is actually an Anubis shrine. Anubis was a guardian of the dead and here he is shown protecting Tut in the afterlife. Basically Anubis was the blackness of space that seemingly wrapped white lined bandages around planetary bodies as they ascended to the land above. The box or shrine is decorated with alternating djed and tjet symbols, representing Osiris (whiteness stars) and his sister-wife Isis (haze of the ecliptic) respectively. Symbols and gods associated with Upper Egypt, the firmament of above. Anubis was often said to be 'upon his mound' or 'sand' an illusion perhaps to apex of the ecliptic, and perhaps a reason to place him upon a shrine.  

In this respect I don't believe there was any special harnessing of any electrical phenomenon regarding Tut’s or other similar ‘chests,’ just primitive people and their interpretation of events in the heavens.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Egyptian-Ark-Procession-III-Denkmaler-Die-Lade-Jahves-das-Allerheiligste-des-Solomonischen-Temples-forum.jpg)

The processional scene above depicts the Opet festival. A time when the barque of Amun (aurora) was carried from Karnak to Luxor (this varied somewhat). Here I can offer some tentative ideas as to what is occurring although it may be advisable to read my section on Amun first. http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/ I might also add the following is something I’m still researching.

Amun was the aurora. It was observed globally due to cosmic chaos giving rise to an intense solar wind (as you would expect). Although mainly a night time phenomenon the aurora was also observed many times during the day courtesy of the Red Sun. Since Amun manifested himself as magical shimmering neon lights dancing across the heavens he was aptly known as the 'hidden one' or 'one whose true form could never be known.' Amun's boat has on it Amun's secret or hidden chamber and I believe the Opet festival was basically a celebration of the aurora lights migrating from the north to the south (some record both ways). In other words, the aurora lights were primarily a northern phenomenon (Egypt POV, northern hemisphere) but at a certain time of the year, amun’s lights migrated south somewhat or at least for a period of time. In celebration of this event, we have Amun (aurora) ferried south by way of a processional barque - Amun, the hidden one, transported via his secret chamber to manifest his magical lights from his secret dwelling in the south. By my reckoning this occurred around the time of the spring equinox, this around the same time the Egyptians celebrated the Opet Festival. It is interesting to note, the aurora today increases around the time of the equinoxes, cause unknown (unless EUers can answer this?). The festival varies in length, this sounds about right given aural apparitions. 

The winged deities inside the secret chamber I would associate with the all encompassing ecliptic haze i.e. wrapping around or enveloping bodies. The aegis (shield) at the prow and stern represent the gossamer, (aurora) like rings around celestial bodies, similar to that of Saturn's recently discovered ring. The large 'skirts' worn by the priests represent 'gravity' (electric!) waves caused by moon sized bodies perturbing earth’s rings or dust of the ecliptic. There were many barques or boats in the heavens, again dust is to blame. This granting visibility to the gossamer like rings around bodies, from earths pov, this taking on the appearance of a boat.  

Gg   -  http://www.gks.uk.com/ (http://www.gks.uk.com/)



Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on March 31, 2010, 07:16:58
IMO the bible has little if any historical value whatsoever. Unlike the 'sacred' hieroglyphs and images which were written in the 'here and now,’ the bible is a corrupt version of celestial events previous (the very same events I talk about in my books).
Gary

As I mentioned before the bible is probably a mixture of ancient stories and the philosophy of the times when it was written, but perhaps I should have added that the visions of the writers were very real and in revelation there is a description of how such visions were induced. Just as DMT visions can be produced today.

And I think that the explanations that you are producing will assist the experiencers of visions explain and crystalize what they see. At the moment there is no understanding of what they see, and they conclude that they have entered another dimension. But it is just that the past sky was so utterly different. I see people write that such and such about the past will never be known, but the past is a physical reality in my view. All we need to do is access it, and then understand just what we are seeing.
Mo
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: The Aten on March 31, 2010, 20:21:30
Hi Mo and all,

An example of Egyptian 'borrowings?'

Will the real Moses Please stand up?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1159903.html (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1159903.html)

Moses is of course an Egyptian name, with the same root as Tuth-mose (born of thoth) Ahmose ('moon is born', ref Clayton) and Ramses Ra mose (born or fashioned by Re). It basically means "born" (Egyptian hieroglyphs ms).  As if Pharaohs daughter would upon finding Moses in the bulrushes give him a Hebrew name?!  

Mo wrote: Was Moses in the sky ?

Absolutely!

My research many years ago led me to conclude the Exodus derives from the whole Egyptian expulsion of the Hyksos epoch. The authors of the above article have the right idea by tracing 'Moses' back to the time of the Hyksos (rogue Shepherd moons) only now, they should transfer the whole thing to the heavens above, and answers will be forthcoming.      

Moses should be equated with Ahmose, Kamose and Thuthmose, all names given to the Moon as it fell under the earths influence and expelled (led) foreign debris from the skies above. In other words...  

Moses was the Moon! (Mo = Moon).

I began writing a book on Moses a few years ago but felt the whole Egyptian god king Scenario, the forerunner to many of the stories in bible had to be explained first. Brief supporting evidence, Moses was many times portrayed with horns. An illusion to the moon exhibiting horns as the solar wind slammed into is surface (similar to Mercury's horns today). The promised land would be the real land above. Perhaps the Israelites were the 'elite ones of Ra' (Is Ra elite) who were led from the company (or slavery) of Ra out to the night sky and the firmament above, the promised land. Mount Sinai (Mesopotamian Moon god "Sin" ia) has to do with earths dusty ring - a 'mountain' from earths point of view, with the Moon/Moses/Ahmose appearing to climb the largest one of these to meet with 'god.' There is so much more to this but either way the answer lies in the original interpretation of cosmic catastrophe as witnessed firsthand by the Egyptians.

Of course what I am suggesting is blasphemous as the exodus lies the bedrock of today's major religions. But as with the illusive Egypt fallen soldiers, I would simply ask these guys, where is Moses buried? What of his brother Aaron, where's he interred? Let's go the whole hog, where are any of the biblical patriarchs buried?

Just think, if it wasn't for cosmic chaos, which for me is directly responsible for all the major religions, those of a religious nature, would, in all probability, and naturally I might say, believe in just one omnipresent god (that is, after we discovered the sun to be an electrified orb and not a god).

Might be a lot less wars, I wonder. God dam them rogue planets!    

Gg

 

Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on April 01, 2010, 10:14:33
Moses was the Moon! (Mo = Moon).GG

Hey - I've just become the Moon !!

Mount Sinai (Mesopotamian Moon god "Sin" ia) has to do with earths dusty ring - a 'mountain' from earths point of view, with the Moon/Moses/Ahmose appearing to climb the largest one of these to meet with 'god.' GG  

I'm dabbling with the idea that the cone-shaped magnetosphere had a lot of dust in or around the sheath. And this produced an inverse V shape in the sky on the night side of the Earth, and hence this was described as a mountain. Perhaps the dust was lit up in the sheath. So there was probably different 'mountains' in the past, and this has confused the Saturn System theory.
Mo (The Moon !!)
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: The Aten on April 01, 2010, 16:03:38
Hi the Moon (Mo)

I like your thoughts. In my book Comet Venus under Amun I discuss the very possibility that earth's plumed magnetotail was actually deemed visible by dust (dust accounts for so much as to what was made visible). The plumes (possibly mountains to others) were attributed to auroral manifestations and the one 'whose true form could never be known,' the king of the gods Amun. Hence Amun's most familiar trait was that of wearing a double plumed 'auroral' headdress.

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Amun%205.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/amun%20amen.jpg)

Amun was the aurora. http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/ (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)

Amun's red crown to represent Lower Egypt, Earth. To my knowledge Amun never wears the white crown of Upper Egypt (heaven). The reason being, the aurora was more of an earthbound phenomena.

I further believe intense solar winds caused numerous magnetic poles to open up throughout the globe. So if the ancients refer to Amun/Aurora as dwelling in a particular mountain (such Gebel Barkal in the south) or in a temple (such as Karnak) then I'm inclined to believe them. Amun's neon lights were observed seemingly entering mountains and the temple complex at Karnak (dedicated to Amun). I only wish there was a way of confirming this. Again I would suggest this a natural sequence of events, magnetic poles opening up globally due to intense auroral storms, fed by a highly charged Sun, fed by countless tons of dust and debris, fed by planetary chaos.    
    
The following either refers to Amun's (earth's) magnetotail or the aurora or both returning to its earthly dwelling as the Sun rose in the east.  

“They believed at dawn each day when the sun broke the horizon Amun’s soul returned to its earthly dwelling.” (TV Documentary, Lost Temple to the Gods).

We have to take into account (chaos) the aurora (not earths tail) was also many times observed during the day courtesy of a red sun. Also, if the plumes represent earth's tail, these would only be visible as plumes on the two horizons. Other times, as earth spins, we would be looking up, or contained within them (if seen).

Forgot to mention, the 'parting of the waves' is the Moon/Moses cutting a path through earth dusty rings, similar to Saturn's moons hovering up debris, only in this particular case (or corrupt reference) the 'waters' (dust) came crashing back to fill the space behind.
 
Gg

Ancient history is upside down!


Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on April 01, 2010, 16:07:38
Which would mean that when the Moon got to the top of the hill that would be the full moon which is conjunction, and thus the time of the electric tree forming, which would be associated with the gods.
Mo
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on April 02, 2010, 10:03:17
 So if the ancients refer to Amun/Aurora as dwelling in a particular mountain (such Gebel Barkal in the south) or in a temple (such as Karnak) then I'm inclined to believe them.  Gg

Then you don't think that each position on the ground referred to some position in the sky. Especially the stars.
Mo
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: The Aten on April 02, 2010, 19:43:09
Mo wrote: "Which would mean that when the Moon got to the top of the hill that would be the full moon which is conjunction, and thus the time of the electric tree forming, which would be associated with the gods."

You may be right Mo as Amun/Aurora was 'one who has millions of forms and transformations.' However, I cannot find any references to Amun's association with a tree.  

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/solar-disk-ashur-tree-of-life-seal-thumbb.jpg)


To a high degree of confidence I will say this, the 'tree of life' above which is to be found on thousands of Mesopotamian cylinder seals derives from the time when Mars (winged disk) locked into a geosynchronous orbit above the Trans-Himalayas (thus catastrophically raising them) prior to and during the electromagnetic extraction of Mars' core to become the planet Mercury (Egyptian Aten, Babylonian Nabu?). The tree represents the intermingling of atmospheres - the transference of volatiles and such like. So whatever you want to throw in here - electrical discharges, sprites, jets, swirling winds, dust and debris, you wouldn't be far off the mark - this was the ultimate in illuminated Christmas trees (the origin of the Xmas trees). Not far off the images presented on the cylinder seals. It was also known as the 'hanging gardens of Babylon' as we literally have gardens hanging from the gods. From an Egyptian perspective the 'tree' was probably the sacred scarab beetle.    

Mo wrote: "Then you don't think that each position on the ground referred to some position in the sky. Especially the stars."

The ancients tried to line up with the chaotic heavens and everything that went with it numerous times by building dedicatory temples - this would be the natural thing to do but polar shift deemed monitoring the background stars, and chaotic phenomena almost impossible. The distinctly odd axis of many Egyptian temples are testament to this. This would include Hathor and Isis (ring and ecliptic). Earth's more profound wobble would see earths rings playing catch up most of the time. Apart from an east west axis, the eciptic was also probably all over the shop.  

The best they could do sometimes was built capitols in honour of gods when reaching their most northerly or southerly points (plus east and west) when traversing the ecliptic. An example; Memphis was home of the god Ptah ('one who held up the metal plate of heaven'). I associate Ptah with Jupiter. The Egyptians built Memphis as far north as possible to be directly under Jupiter as its furthest most northerly point at that time (polar shift). Directly below the creator god Ptah/Jupiter would bring them closer to the god, if you see what I mean.

In regards to Amun/Aurora; numerous magnetic poles opened up all over the globe due to intense geomagnetic storms. Although an illusion, these were seen to 'touch' the earth in many places (some people believe they have witnessed the northern lights touching the ground). Many documentaries show the same thing would occur if earth's magnetic field flipped (something I believe actually occurred numerous times during the period of chaos). Auroral glows were seen particularly above large outcrops of rocks such as Gebel Barkal and above Karnak, hence it was believed Amun literally dwelt in the mountain or in the temple. You could say 'fixed' but apart from the general location, how fixed are the northern lights?  

Gg

I think I'm going to change my name to Solomon... Solo Moon. After all its what we're left with.



Title: powering up the aurora
Post by: electrobleme on April 03, 2010, 02:21:34

Amun was the aurora. It was observed globally due to cosmic chaos giving rise to an intense solar wind (as you would expect). Although mainly a night time phenomenon the aurora was also observed many times during the day courtesy of the Red Sun. Since Amun manifested himself as magical shimmering neon lights dancing across the heavens he was aptly known as the 'hidden one' or 'one whose true form could never be known.' Amun's boat has on it Amun's secret or hidden chamber and I believe the Opet festival was basically a celebration of the aurora lights migrating from the north to the south (some record both ways). In other words, the aurora lights were primarily a northern phenomenon (Egypt POV, northern hemisphere) but at a certain time of the year, amun’s lights migrated south somewhat or at least for a period of time. In celebration of this event, we have Amun (aurora) ferried south by way of a processional barque - Amun, the hidden one, transported via his secret chamber to manifest his magical lights from his secret dwelling in the south. By my reckoning this occurred around the time of the spring equinox, this around the same time the Egyptians celebrated the Opet Festival. It is interesting to note, the aurora today increases around the time of the equinoxes, cause unknown (unless EUers can answer this?). The festival varies in length, this sounds about right given aural apparitions. 


Gg   -  http://www.gks.uk.com/ (http://www.gks.uk.com/)




(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/earth-sun-orbit-equinox-solstice.jpg)
earths orbit around the sun showing the eqinox and solstices


i had thought before the increase in auroa during the equinox was perhaps due to a few things including the angle of the earth at those points and how the current flows through it, change in the "charge" of the planet as it moves from the winter energy to the summer energy and the difference in the EU current as it moves around the sun

obviously not got a clue if any of these are right or wrong!
Title: 40 years wandering the wilderness of Sinai
Post by: electrobleme on April 03, 2010, 02:28:05
gary, so doing the same as you have done with the GKS to the bible may help to explain other puzzles, especially the 40 years spent wandering the wilderness of Sinai, where manna came down from heaven, the Mt Sinai saga and Mt Sinai itself...


Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on April 03, 2010, 09:47:27
( Mount Sinai (Mesopotamian Moon god "Sin" ia) has to do with earths dusty ring - a 'mountain' from earths point of view, with the Moon/Moses/Ahmose appearing to climb the largest one of these to meet with 'god.' Gg)
You may be right Mo as Amun/Aurora was 'one who has millions of forms and transformations.' However, I cannot find any references to Amun's association with a tree. Gg

Some confusion here. Are you saying that Amun must be associated with Mount Sinai ?  I don't know how Amun got into the Moon climbing the hill to the gods.

Earth's more profound wobble would see earths rings playing catch up most of the time. Apart from an east west axis, the eciptic was also probably all over the shop. Gg

But the stars could still be followed easily no matter what the pole was doing. And so the stars would be the best reference, and by associating the stars with the temples and cities of Egypt a map of Egypt could be used to track the planets even if the Earth had picked up a severe wobble. Along with the use of gnomons the ancients could then keep track of the planets and the Earth's movements.
Mo
Title: The EU Bible - advanced knowledge?
Post by: electrobleme on April 05, 2010, 15:46:45
does the bible show further or advanced knowledge of EU events/stuff compared to its inspiration eg the other stories/cultures before it?

can the stories/events in the bible show the development of ideas and knowledge from previous peoples, perhaps revelations showing advanced knowledge compared to the old testament?

I dont suppose any one has studied kabbalah have they and knows what that suggests or says about these stories and ideas?
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: The Aten on April 08, 2010, 17:39:09
Mo

>>are you saying that Amun must be associated with mount Sinai?

I will attempt to clarify the situation, although unlike some of my Egyptian work (god king planets), my biblical stuff is far short of set in stone.
  
Amun is to be associated first and foremost with the 'global' aurora. He is also to be coupled with electrical apparitions periodically observed around the astral monarchy. An example; Some pharaohs had the title 'Amun is at the head.' A nonsensical epithet to Egyptologists but in a world dominated by cosmic chaos and god king planets  - this is Amun's neon blue lights (Amun's main sacred colour) observed at the head of, in this case, Pharaonic Mars. Cometary bodies probably also had Amun 'attached' to them, but dust may have deemed such phenomena invisible apart from downwind of some larger bodies.

I believe earth's plumed magnetotail was also observed (mainly on the horizons) and this too, should be ascribed to Amun. I say this because there exists scant references to Amun as "lord of heaven and of earth, and of the deep, and of the two mountains. " This would explain why he wore exactly 'two' plumes atop his Lower Egypt red crown. When seen to pass overhead during the night, Amun's mountains may had appeared to merge into one, but who knows  exactly what was seen.

We have to bear in mind Hathor's dusty ring (& other phenomena). If I find references in support of Amun and a single mountain, then I will revaluate this.  What I don't see (so far) is any tree-like electrical apparitions associated with Amun. Hathor on the other hand did have an association with a tree  i.e. she was the 'lady of the sycamore'. This was, in all probability electrical tree-like apparitions seen with earths rings.  

I do not associate Amun with M Sinai.

I think the confusion (here and with past cultures) arises because of later peoples attempting to decipher earlier writings at a time (AD) when the heavens had begun to clear somewhat. We probably still had faint rings and being more defined these appeared as mountains or mountain (mountain of god) This would include mount Sinai, the mountain of the Moon or the celestial mountain the moon (Moses) climbed to have little 'chat' with god. The two tablets could be a 'plumed' moon or perhaps only  the tips of Amun's magnetotail were seen (just an idea) and these looked like 'tablets' engraved with the 10 commandments.  God in this case is anybody's guess, the bible is corrupt with many bias authors attempting to decipher ancient script, injecting their own ideas as to what 'god' should be. With psalm 104 we can trace god back to Mercury (hymn to the Aten), however, perhaps the god of the exodus can be traced back to Amun. With such bias views we may never know.
 
>>But the stars could still be followed no matter what the pole was doing.

I am referring to a pole shift, movements in earth's axis as opposed to a magnetic pole reversal  (which I also believed occurred numerous times). If earth's axis shifts, so do the stars albeit on a small scale. There is more than enough evidence to suggest the geological north pole was at some point in the past located around the Hudson Bay area. Probably when Mars/Amunhotep locked into a geosynchronous orbit above the Trans Himalayas, prior to and during its catatrophic electromagnetic birth of Mercury (core of Mars). This, so far (ancient chronology is way out!) I have dated to around the 7 - 8th century B. C. This is the time I believe vast quantities of vaporised fine sand was deposited on earth. Fanning out from the Himalayas in great swaths across Asia and North Africa. Forming the vast deserts we see today.

Later temples (as earth's axis settled somewhat) probably tracked the movements of the transposed Egyptians (stars)although the sun, moon, kingly planets and bright stars would undoubtedly come before the background stars. Something I'm still researching.

I like to thank yourself and Matt for your positive comments on the TPOD forum, very much appreciated.

Gg        
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: The Aten on April 08, 2010, 18:43:52
>>gary, so doing the same as you have done with the GKS to the bible may help to explain other puzzles, especially the 40 years spent wandering the wilderness of Sinai, where manna came down from heaven, the Mt Sinai saga and Mt Sinai itself...

Matt, who knows how the original story, drawn possibly from both Egyptian and Mesopotamian sources became embellished on. The Moon/Moses may just have wandered the apparent wilderness of above for 40 years but it could just be figure drawn from thin air.

With the sacred hieroglyphs and images we have the testimony of the ancients, written during the time of cosmic catastrophe, the 'here and now.' Unlike the bible written decades after the event, we can go back and revaluate the text and images. This along with the sciences is the only way we are going to get a realistic account of what actually occurred some 4,000 years ago.  

Gg  
Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on April 09, 2010, 09:07:29
I believe earth's plumed magnetotail was also observed (mainly on the horizons) and this too, should be ascribed to Amun. Gg

Now a ring around the Earth would have appeared near the horizon at all times of the day and night, whereas the magnetotail would get up high in the sky around midnight. I'm starting to see Amun as a shimmering light no matter where it appeared in the sky. So one would then expect it associated with the magnetotail.

If earth's axis shifts, so do the stars albeit on a small scale. Gg

By observing when the stars set and rise and noting the star that does not move because the pole is pointing at it, the ancient Egyptians would have been able to keep track of the planets and the motion of the Earth. Thus relate the planets movements to the stars and parallel each star with a place on the map of Egypt and surroundings, and you have a good practical observation system. The Nile could well have been the ecliptic with the pharoahs moving up and nown the Nile and the ecliptic.

Then one can look at the movements of Moses in this light and consider that some planetary interacion sent the Moon, or maybe some other body, on a trip off the ecliptic plane. I have been considering the Exodus the last couple of days and I'm thinking that just as there was actual pharoahs representing planets, perhaps there was an actual Moses representing the Moon, or maybe Mars. When reading the 40 days and 40 nights Moses was on the mountain one starts seeing a lock between the earth and this other planetary body. But it could be some symbolic numbering and it is extremely difficult and quite a headache to try to work out just what Exodus is all about, but something planetary at it's core for sure.

There is more than enough evidence to suggest the geological north pole was at some point in the past located around the Hudson Bay area.Gg
Science has no idea about anything in the past. The pole of the Earth does a wobble now, but under planetary interaction this wobble could and probably did become extremely large, so that the pole would have traced out a very large circle in the sky and there would have been no pole star, but a pole circle. And if this circle was large enough then that would explain the Sun rising in the West in the northern latitudes. Such a large wobble would not last long and would itself cause catastrophic conditions on Earth.

Matt, who knows how the original story, drawn possibly from both Egyptian and Mesopotamian sources became embellished on. The Moon/Moses may just have wandered the apparent wilderness of above for 40 years but it could just be figure drawn from thin air. Gg

However it does suggest to me a movement from the ecliptic.
Mo
Title: copy cat Bible?
Post by: electrobleme on April 15, 2010, 06:53:27


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Source of Bible Covenant with God discovered?

Archaeologists working in Turkey have unearthed an Assyrian tablet dating to around 670 BCE that "could have served as a model for the biblical description of God's covenant with the Israelites." What this fascinating discovery suggests, of course, is that the Bible tale of a divine pact does not represent "history" or a "factual" event, but is instead a fictional rewrite, borrowing or plagiarism of this older Assyrian treaty.

Over the centuries, many Bible critics, minimalists and mythicists have asserted that much of the Old Testament constitutes not factual history but a rehash of ancient myths and traditions dating to before the founding of the Jewish kingdom. This new find apparently adds more evidence to that theory, and it is quite refreshing that both the scholars and the media are spelling out clearly this possible "borrowing," without prejudice in favor of bibliolatry or upholding unprovable matters of faith.

Ancient treaty resembles part of the Bible.  "Canadian archeologists in Turkey have unearthed an ancient treaty that could have served as a model for the biblical description of God's covenant with the Israelites.

The tablet, dating to about 670 BC, is a treaty between the powerful Assyrian king and his weaker vassal states, written in a highly formulaic language very similar in form and style to the story of Abraham's covenant with God in the Hebrew Bible, says University of Toronto archeologist Timothy Harrison.

Although biblical scholarship differs, it is widely accepted that the Hebrew Bible was being assembled around the same time as this treaty, the seventh century BC.

"Those documents...seem to reflect very closely the formulaic structure of these treaty documents," he told about 50 guests at the Ottawa residence of the Turkish ambassador, Rafet Akgunay.

He was not necessarily saying the Hebrews copied the Assyrian text, substituting their own story about how God liberated them from slavery in Egypt on the condition that they worship only Him and follow His commandments.

But it will be interesting for scholars to have this parallel document.

"The language in the [Assyrian] texts is [very similar] and now we have a treaty document just a few miles up the road from Jerusalem."...


Science Daily provides more details about the tablet: "The tablet is quite spectacular. It records a treaty -- or covenant -- between Esarhaddon, King of the Assyrian Empire and a secondary ruler who acknowledged Assyrian power. The treaty was confirmed in 672 BCE at elaborate ceremonies held in the Assyrian royal city of Nimrud (ancient Kalhu). In the text, the ruler vows to recognize the authority of Esarhaddon's successor, his son Ashurbanipal," said Timothy Harrison, professor of near eastern archaeology in the Department of Near & Middle Eastern Civilizations and director of U of T's Tayinat Archaeological Project (TAP)....

The researchers hope to glean information about Assyria's imperial relations with the west during a critical period, the early 7th century BCE. It marked the rise of the Phrygians and other rival powers in highland Anatolia -- now modern-day Turkey -- along the northwestern frontier of the Assyrian empire, and coincided with the divided monarchy of Biblical Israel..."


Notable is the fact "it is widely accepted that the Hebrew Bible was being assembled around the same time as this treaty," i.e., during the 7th century BCE. The case for this "late" dating of the Old Testament's compilation - with a significant part of it also written later, after the Jews' "Babylonian Exile" (597-538 BCE) - has been made by Israeli archaeologists, including and especially Israel Finkelstein in The Bible Unearthed.

Although the article states that the archaeologist Timothy Harrison "was not necessarily saying the Hebrews copied the Assyrian text, substituting their own story about how God liberated them from slavery in Egypt," it is nonetheless raising that very issue in a manner which breaks with the centuries-old tradition of bending all finds in the "Holy Land" and other places of biblical interest to fit the Bible, in attempts to prove the "Good Book" as "history." It is obvious that this sort of bibliolatry appeasement from the more scientific segment of society is losing ground precisely because of such discoveries - and the implication of this one is a doozy.


No historical covenant with God?


It needs to be emphasized that this intriguing development concerns not just any biblical event but the very covenant between God and the Israelites - here indicated as not something supernatural that actually occurred but, rather, as mere human propaganda based on older texts from other cultures. This discovery, therefore, would essentially negate the basic premise of the Old Testament: To wit, that the Hebrews, Israelites and Jews are the "chosen people" of the Lord of the universe.

Needless to say, for those of us who have been stating as much for many years - and getting pilloried for our efforts - this archaeological find is very exciting, as it adds to the growing body of hard, scientific evidence that the Bible is not "God's Word" but a manmade cultural artifact designed for propagandistic purposes.

Furthermore, as the Old Testament is thus apparently in significant part a rehash and rewriting of the traditions and myths of other cultures, so does the New Testament story of Jesus Christ represent a remake of the mythical motifs of pre-Christian cultures, combined with OT scriptures serving as "blueprints" for the gospel tale's creation.
Source of Bible Covenant with God discovered? | examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-17009-Freethought-Examiner~y2010m4d13-Source-of-Bible-Covenant-with-God-discovered)



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Researchers Shed Light on Ancient Assyrian Tablets

A cache of cuneiform tablets unearthed by a team led by a University of Toronto archaeologist has been found to contain a largely intact Assyrian treaty from the early 7th century BCE.

"The tablet is quite spectacular. It records a treaty -- or covenant -- between Esarhaddon, King of the Assyrian Empire and a secondary ruler who acknowledged Assyrian power. The treaty was confirmed in 672 BCE at elaborate ceremonies held in the Assyrian royal city of Nimrud (ancient Kalhu). In the text, the ruler vows to recognize the authority of Esarhaddon's successor, his son Ashurbanipal," said Timothy Harrison, professor of near eastern archaeology in the Department of Near & Middle Eastern Civilizations and director of U of T's Tayinat Archaeological Project (TAP).

"The treaties were designed to secure Ashurbanipal's accession to the throne and avoid the political crisis that transpired at the start of his father's reign. Esarhaddon came to power when his brothers assassinated their father, Sennacherib."

The 43 by 28 centimetre tablet -- known as the Vassal Treaties of Esarhaddon -- contains about 650 lines and is in a very fragile state. "It will take months of further work before the document will be fully legible," added Harrison. "These tablets are like a very complex puzzle, involving hundreds of pieces, some missing. It is not just a matter of pulling the tablet out, sitting down and reading. We expect to learn much more as we restore and analyze the document."

The researchers hope to glean information about Assyria's imperial relations with the west during a critical period, the early 7th century BCE. It marked the rise of the Phrygians and other rival powers in highland Anatolia -- now modern-day Turkey -- along the northwestern frontier of the Assyrian empire, and coincided with the divided monarchy of Biblical Israel, as well as an era of increased contact between the Levantine peoples of the Eastern Mediterranean and Egypt, as well as the Greeks of the Aegean world.

The cache of tablets -- which date back to the Iron Age -- were unearthed in August 2009 during excavations at the site of an ancient temple at Tell Tayinat, located in southeastern Turkey. A wealth of religious paraphernalia -- including gold, bronze and iron implements, libation vessels and ornately decorated ritual objects -- was also uncovered.

TAP is an international project, involving researchers from a dozen countries, and more than 20 universities and research institutes. It operates in close collaboration with the Ministry of Culture of Turkey, and provides research opportunities and training for both graduate and undergraduate students. The project is funded by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada and the Institute for Aegean Prehistory (INSTAP), and receives support from the University of Toronto.
Researchers Shed Light on Ancient Assyrian Tablets | sciencedaily.com (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100408134519.htm)

Title: Revelation 1 (1-11) : the number 7 - duality - that which is to come
Post by: electrobleme on May 15, 2010, 17:52:03


Revelation 1 (1-11) : the number 7 - duality - that which is to come

the bible seems to repeat important information and at the start of revelations the number 7 is mentioned a lot of times in this chapter. 7 churches, 7 spirits, 7 golden candlesticks/lampstands, 7 stars. why 7? are they different things or one thing that is being referenced? was "7" of something seen in the skies before the last catastrophe that struck the earth?

then the duality of god/jesus is mentioned a couple of times - alpha/omega - first/last - was/is. is this in reference to the positive/negative - male/female forces that seems to be part of the natural power of the electric universe?

is one of the most important parts of the opening section of this chapter the "and which is to come"? does this show the revelations is about what was (what has happened) and what will happen again. EU catastrophe events have occured and were remembered by ancient man. we remembered them until recently but now our science in the west is trying to eradicate silly "non empirical" ideas... myths.

how did catastrophes start before or what are the possible signs it may be about to come?

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Revelation 1:7 Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!
Revelation 1:7  (Young's Literal Translation) | .biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:1-11&version=YLT)

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BE-PERCEIVING He-IS-COMING WITH THE CLOUDS AND SHALL-BE-VIEWING Him EVERY VIEWer AND WHO-ANY Him THEY-stab AND SHALL-BE-STRIKING ( selves ) ON Him ALL THE tribes OF-THE LAND YEA AMEN
 Revelation 1:7 | Greek Interlinear Bible (NT) | scripture4all.org (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev1.pdf)

there is evidence of electrical activity sounding like trumpets, trains - the bible mentions the voice of god as something like this many times and earthquakes also make similar noises (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=243.msg1043#msg1043)

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10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet
Revelation 1:10  (Young's Literal Translation) | .biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:1-11&version=YLT)

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I-BECAME IN spirit IN THE Master DAY AND I-HEAR BEHIND OF-ME SOUND GREAT AS OF-TRUMPET
 Revelation 1:10 | Greek Interlinear Bible (NT) | scripture4all.org (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev1.pdf)


Title: Re: The Electric Universe Bible
Post by: Mo on May 16, 2010, 09:12:46
A Birkeland current occurs in pairs and each of these pairs can split into two current, making a 4-fold division. However the next stable configuration is a 7-fold division of the current, and thus the 7 golden candlesticks can readily be explained by this. Also if the current was coming directly towards Earth then 7 stars or maybe 7 spirits would have been seen.

This is besides the symbolic use of numbers in the bible.
Mo
Title: Revelation 1 (12-15) : voice or sound? and the girdle
Post by: electrobleme on July 22, 2010, 17:27:13

Revelation 1 (12-15) : voice or sound? and the girdle


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1:12 AND I-ON-TURN (I-turn-about) TO-BE-lookING (to-be-looking-for) THE SOUND (voice) WHO-ANY (which-any) TALKS (speaks) WITH ME AND ON-TURNing (turning-about) I-PERCEIVED SEVEN LAMPstands GOLDen

1:13 AND IN MIDst OF-THE SEVEN LAMPstands LIKE (one-like) to-son (son) OF-human HAVING-been-IN-SLIPPED (having-been-dressed) FOOT-LIFTed (in-a-garment-reaching-to-the-feet) kai AND HAVING-been-ABOUT-GIRDED (having-been-girded-about) TOWARD THE BREASTS GIRDle (with-girdle)

1:14 THE YET HEAD OF-Him AND THE HAIRS WHITE (are-white) AS-IF WOOL WHITE AS SNOW AND THE VIEWers (eyes) OF-Him AS BLAZE (flame) OF-FIRE

1:15 AND THE FEET OF-Him LIKE to-COPPER-WHITE (white-bronze) AS IN BURNer (furnace) HAVING-been-FIRED AND THE SOUND (voice) OF-Him AS SOUND OF-waters MANY
 Revelation 1:12-15 | Greek Interlinear Bible (NT) | scripture4all.org (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev1.pdf)


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12 And I did turn to see the voice that did speak with me, and having turned, I saw seven golden lamp-stands,

13 and in the midst of the seven lamp-stands, [one] like to a son of man, clothed to the foot, and girt round at the breast with a golden girdle,

14 and his head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow, and his eyes as a flame of fire;

15 and his feet like to fine brass, as in a furnace having been fired, and his voice as a sound of many waters,
Revelation 1:12-15 (Young's Literal Translation) | biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%201:12-15&version=YLT)


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12 When I turned to see who was speaking to me, I saw seven gold lampstands. 13 There with the lampstands was someone who seemed to be the Son of Man. He was wearing a robe that reached down to his feet, and a gold cloth was wrapped around his chest. 14 His head and his hair were white as wool or snow, and his eyes looked like flames of fire. 15 His feet were glowing like bronze being heated in a furnace, and his voice sounded like the roar of a waterfall.
Revelation 1:12-15 (Contemporary English Version) | biblegateway.com (#post_##)



Title: Re: Revelation 1 (12-15) : voice or sound? and the girdle
Post by: electrobleme on July 22, 2010, 17:44:24

the first thing i notice about these passages is that it does seem to suggest that it is not the voice of god/christ or god/christ speaking directly as such but it is the sound of god/christ, through the events happening. which there is no problem with unless you take the bible to be literal and can not distinguish between god speaking through events/happenings and god speaking directly to the revelator.

but what is being described?

my immediate thoughts go to the discussion on the GKS striped see through dresses (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1179#msg1179) and the pyramid skirts (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1196#msg1196) worn by the pharaohs. is it describing the same or a similar event?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkACkMnhFU0/S9Ad3HEeaxI/AAAAAAAAKds/44Q1BQ2IUhs/s1600/190_9042a.jpg)
the son of human (the son of god) girdle?


with the description of what it looked like it sounds a bit like what is being discussed in the posts about mercury/mars interaction (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=179.msg1315#msg1315)