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Title: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on December 02, 2009, 02:24:08
Ra (Re) the Egyptian Sun God was painted as red but they did have yellow ochre?

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/clip_image025_0000.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks6/)

The first thing you don't do with a god is try to piss him, her or it off. You make you God more powerful, holy, prettier than you think they are. One of the main things is you don't paint or carve then incorrectly.

As Gary Gilligan points out on his great Egyptian Mythology site (The God King Scenario - gks.uk.com (http://www.gks.uk.com/)) the Egyptians have their Sun God as red? The only sensible idea is that their Sun was red. It does not matter what we think they lived in that time and worshipped the Gods. So their Sun had to be red. If it was not red then why was it shown as red?


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(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/clip_image004_0001.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks6/)

The following essay it is a perfect example of how the most obvious evidence can be overlooked. It shows how childlike observations can lead to incredible discoveries which irrefutably prove that planetary chaos is reaching out to us from the not so distant past.

...It matters little where Re’s symbol is found. Whether used as part of the ‘sacred’ inscriptions or as a pictorial image dressed with wings, cow’s horns, plumes or cobras, Re’s most basic form consisted of a simple red disk – why?

Re 5The Sun is a blinding, golden-yellow disk with emanating rays – a ball of glaring, golden light – so why paint, what is by comparison, a lifeless red disk?

....As one of the original creator gods, Re was ‘the lord of all lands’ and ‘the great light who shinest in the heavens.’ Life on Earth depended on Re and he was revered greatly. The Egyptians believed that he created the world, and the rising Sun was their symbol of creation. Would the Egyptians risk the wrath of this great god by ignoring its true form in this way?

The abundance of glorious reliefs proves that the Egyptians were proud of their art. Many pieces took months, if not years, to complete as each hieroglyph was meticulously carved and painted. The colours were of paramount importance and many gods had their own sacred colours. It therefore seems bizarre that they created a disk to represent the Sun and then proceeded to paint it red!
Can we have our glaring ball back please?! Re, the RED sun - gks.uk.com/gks6 (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks6/)


** UPDATE - Gary Gilliagan's book "Comet Venus" is reviewed and DIScussed below (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg707#msg707), includes replies/posts by the author **

Title: evidence showing that the Egyptian Sun was red
Post by: electrobleme on December 02, 2009, 02:45:42
Evidence that the Egyptians Sun was red

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/ra-horus-temple-hatshepsut-luxor-egyptian-gods.jpg)
Ra-Horus At Hatshepsut Temple, Egypt, Luxor

Not only is the Sun red but the Sun God himself is painted red. They also did have yellow ochre as they used it for part of his clothing.
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: hulland on December 10, 2009, 22:51:28
I know the sun is redder at morning and night because it is filtered through much more atmosphere ( and dust) could this have been to be understood to mean the sun god was nearer? ( and therefore better to be represented in red rather than yellow?)
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on December 11, 2009, 02:13:31

That is a good observation and needs to be factored in as the east/west and rising/setting sun was important to the Egyptians. My knowledge of Egyptian Dieties and Gods is very basic, it is just a fascinating subject, so I will have to quote and find references from other people and sites.

I had a quick look at some sites on the net and it seems that the sun god was eventually worshipped or shown in different stages, including the rising, noon and setting sun. This god changed a lot! It would be good to find more traditional and respected references to see what they also say but these show the different information, "facts" and ideas about this subject that is out there.

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A composite deity with Atum. The primordial creative force combined with the ruler of the gods. In this form, Ra also symbolized the setting sun and its journey through the underworld to its rising in the east.
Ra-Atum/Atum-Ra (touregypt .net) (http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/ra.htm)


In ancient Egyptian culture the Sun was considered the manifestation of god. He was called Ra. Actually his full name is Ra - Atum - Khepri. This name represents the three stages of the Sun. Khepri - the rising Sun, Ra - the Sun at the zenith (noon) and Atum -the setting Sun.
Egyptians - Ra - Atum - Khepri (thinkquest .org) (http://library.thinkquest.org/15215/Culture/egyptian.htm)


The sun was the primary element of life in ancient Egypt, we find this importance reflected in the art and religion. Some of the most popular gods had a solar connection. The sun was first worshipped as Horus, then as Ra and later as Amun-Ra There are many other representations of the sun, including Khepri, the great scarab who symbolizes morning and the ram-headed god Khnum representing evening. During the reign of Akhenaten, the sun was worshipped as the Aten. A form of the sun disk with its rays depicted as arms holding ankh signs. Another common form that the sun takes is that of Horus Behudety, the winged sun disk flanked by uraeus.
Ra - Re (crystalinks .com) (http://www.crystalinks.com/egyptsymbols.html)

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on December 25, 2009, 17:32:19
Consider Gary Gilligan's Comet Venus:
http://www.gks.uk.com/gks13/

If Nefertari is Venus then why is there a red disk.  The sun would cast a shadow on Venus so one would expect a bright side and a dark side of the disk.  And why so red like the Sun.

If Venus orbitted outside of Earth then as Venus got close to Earth a nearly full disk would be seen, similar to the appearance of Mars nowadays. The bunny rabbit ears of the disk is a wonderful depiction of the twin comas of Venus. Again it is the dust that makes Mars appear red, as Mars would have been electrically lit up, just like Earth was. And the lit up Birkeland currents of Earth near the poles were depicted as Amun, the aurora, according to Gary.

Those Egyptians sure loved the sky, or feared it greatly. No event in the skies would have gone unrecorded. All the depictions of kings and queens and gods relate to the events in the sky. So there might be a wealth of information about planetary orbits written there. And Gary is writing the fundamentals of understanding the depictions.
Mo
Title: gary gilligan's book "comet venus"
Post by: electrobleme on December 26, 2009, 15:54:01

i got gary gilligan's book "comet venus" for christmas so will soon be working my way through it :)
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on December 27, 2009, 14:43:37
You lucky lad.  I intend to be in a mobile home soon, and books are kind of bulky.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on January 22, 2010, 07:13:00
Any chance of a report on Gary Gilligan's book yet ?
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on January 22, 2010, 07:35:09

Not yet, i got inundated with books and just had some finally turn up that i ordered a few months ago! I actually want free time around it so i can reseach what he is saying (Egyptian stuff aint my strong point), as it seems to be different to other EU/Catastrophe books on the topic. Not that i have read those either but the argument on thunderbolts seemed to suggest that.
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on January 22, 2010, 11:03:02
Well let's consider some of the articles on Gary Gilligan's site.
http://www.gks.uk.com/gks5/
"I would also add Amenhotep III was given title ‘the dazzling sun disk of all lands.' I've yet to here anything close to a plausible explanation for such a title. I mean, how can any human being be described as a 'dazzling sun disk?' This is Mars/Amenhotep again, just prior to giving birth to its sold iron core; Mars/Amenhotep in the process of belching out the Aten and in doing so Mars/Amenhotep quite literally appearing as a ‘dazzling sun disk of all lands.' This definition requires no ‘shrugging of the shoulders,' no demoting the Egyptians as living in a bizarre world we don't understand, just real physical observations leading to apt and concise descriptions of planetary bodies in the guise of divine kings and queens."

Now maybe Mercury, like the Moon, was not part of the Saturn System, and was a long-time resident of the Solar System. Thus Mercury and the Moon were pretty much in electrical equilibrium with their surroundings, as they are pretty much today. So in the dusty conditions Mercury and the Moon would not have been seen. It was only when Mercury came in close contact with Mars that Mercury fired up, along with Mars. So it appeared that Mercury was born, just then firing up and becoming visual.
Mo
Title: dusty plasma and the fire starter of planets
Post by: electrobleme on January 23, 2010, 01:00:07

Not just the rocky planets but how about the gas giants turning from dark glow mode into "proper" gas giants, if the Solar System was suddenly switched on or its current increased?

if the solar system was dusty then a bright shining object would appear to something amazing if we could not see stars. would the dusty plasma also give it a halo due to light diffraction?

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“Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminated chaos. All that existed then was void and formless.” (Rig Veda)

“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was chaos, and there was darkness over the abyss.” (Genesis—Mitchell translation)

The same themes are repeated in Phoenician and Greek cosmogonies and in Taoism in China. They appear in the narratives of the tribes of Oceania and of the Pima of Arizona. The Hopi clarify the question of just how dark the darkness was by calling it a “dark purple light.” Other legends relate that something glowed dimly within the darkness “like a glow-worm” (Linga Purana)—an orb “lit by the reflection of his own inner self” (Mbayá legend).

Before the Beginning | thunderbolts.info TPOD (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100122beginning.htm)
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on January 23, 2010, 08:50:53
If it was dark then the ancients would have seen the stars. So it was not dark. Perhaps there was a great deal of dust that blocked out most of the light, at some stage in proceedings. The creation stories are a big problem for all the EU writers. I pass.

I wrote before that the double layers around planets, if they got dusty, could become visible. Especially if more electrically energetic conditions existed. Thus interplanetary thunderbolts could transport matter, in the form of dust and probably water, whilst increasing the current through the double layer, producing a sudden brightening in the double layer. Of course these double layers have a diameter muliply greater than the diameters of the planets, thus potentially producing a tremendous effect.
Mo
Title: layers of water
Post by: electrobleme on January 30, 2010, 02:11:49

the double layer around earth is interesting as the creation stories mention different layers of water and then it concentrating into the ocean we have today (i think). similar to when you have a storm cloud heavy with rain and you get the massive bolt of lightning (ground to earth) and then a couple of seconds later the rain absolutely pours down. Either there is a discharge in the clouds or the ground gets charged, something like that. This happens in Malta anyway. I was able to tell some people my EU ideas and mentioned this, couple of days later Malta allowed me to show this happening  :)

of course the water coming from the sky or other layer could be the transportation of it from Mars that you suggest
Title: "Comet Venus" book by Gary Gilligan
Post by: electrobleme on January 30, 2010, 02:46:49

Review and discussion of the "Comet Venus" book by Gary Gilligan

I will start to read, review and discuss the Comet Venus book by Gary Gilligan. I intend to do it a short bit at a time so i can write down what he says, any questions or ideas i have and then hopefully discuss it with others. I will ask the author if he wants to come and and have a look at what we have said and hopefully answer our questions and discuss his ideas futher.

The Electric Universe Theory and Plasma Mythology is on the "Fringe", especially according to wikipedia where it is banned! On Wiki any external site linked to anything vaguely connected to the EU Theory is hunted down like a rabid dog and battered in the street by those who would have paid to give Galileo Galilei the same treatment.

As I have not yet read the Comet Venus I do have to take note of what others on thunderbolts think and it seems that the book or the authors ideas are slightly further along the fringe of the Fringe amongst Plasma Mythology and Catastrophe people. From what I have read and seen on his site The God King Scenario (http://www.gks.uk.com/) I expect him to bring the rest of the Universe a little bit closer to his Fringe.

WYSIWYGetology is something that through my gEUlogy study and the Electric Universe i have come to believe in strongly, combined with the folklore of the people. They didnt make all this stuff up and had to base it on things that happened. How and why would the ancient peoples of the earth create these amazing and similar stories of warring planets, fighting gods, creation stories. The 2 most likely things are that either every nation made it up (they supposedly were not in communication with each other) or they all witnessed/experienced the same thing.

You can purchase Comet Venus and other books on Gary Gilligan's website by clicking here (http://www.gks.uk.com/buy/)


Title: Comet Venus - chapter reviews and DIScussion points
Post by: electrobleme on January 30, 2010, 02:48:27
Comet Venus - chapters + book review and DIScussion points


** Comet Venus - Introduction (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg711#msg711)

** Comet Venus - The God King Scenario (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg712#msg712)

A CHALLENGE! "The Nonexistent Battles of the Pharaohs" (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg714#msg714) - the authors challenge to everyone!
RE: A CHALLENGE! "The Nonexistent Battles of the Pharaohs"  (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg715#msg715) - websites links about enemies and battles of the Pharaohs and also The Revision of Ancient History

** Comet Venus - The 'two lands' of Upper and Lower Egypt - Ka, Ba, Akh (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg716#msg716)

DIScussion (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg717#msg717) - How did the present Solar Systems planetary orbits happen? Ideas ranging from the God King Scenario, Immanuel Velikovsky, Saturn System and members own views, ideas and theories. Right, wrong or a mixture?

** Comet Venus - Space debris and the red Sun  (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg733#msg733)

** Comet Venus - Horus (Heru, he who is above) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg765#msg765)

** Comet Venus - Hathor - the ecliptic band and celestial equator (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg769#msg769)

** Comet Venus - Isis (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg792#msg792)

** Comet Venus - Osiris (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg793#msg793)

DIScussion (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg794#msg794) - The Djed and the 4 Pillars of Earth/heaven - are they figures or Plasma Discharge Events? Petroglyph and art evidence (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg815#msg815) both for and against.

** Comet Venus - Ptah (Jupiter)  (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg880#msg880) - God of Craftsmen, Rebirth and Creation

** Comet Venus - The Battles of the Pharaohs (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg915#msg915) - were all the hieroglyphic and temple battle scenes fought in the sky?

** Comet Venus - was Egypt a warring nation? (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg932#msg932) summary of evidence for the GKS from "An ancient world in chaos" (previous book by the author)

** Comet Venus - A challenge for Egyptologists and Archaeologists (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg945#msg945) - Ramesess II General of the Army at 10 but not one battle injury?

** Comet Venus - Sekhmet - a 'warrior' sky (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg977#msg977) - arrows of fire in the sky and where our sandy deserts suddenly came from

** Comet Venus - Amun (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg980#msg980) - the aurora

** Comet Venus - Amun-Re (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1114#msg1114) - light of the hidden one

** Comet Venus - Amun and Kingship (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1117#msg1117) - protected/embraced by Amun. The puzzle of Pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut solved?

** Comet Venus - Amun and Warfare (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1130#msg1130) - Montu the warlike Auroa

** Comet Venus - Planet Venus (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1132#msg1132) - Velikovsky claims about Venus as a comet. What are the facts years later?

** Comet Venus - Comet Venus (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1133#msg1133) - how and why it looked like it did

** Comet Venus - The White Crown (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1350#msg1350) - planet Venus as Comet Venus = the White Crown of Upper Egypt

** Comet Venus - Venus in the guise of Egypts Queens (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1421#msg1421) - evidence showing egypts queens as the Comet Venus and also explaining what the "God's wife embrace" is

** Comet Venus - Mars and Venus (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1424#msg1424) - evidence and summing up of Mars and Venus in the God King Scenario



The Comet Venus author Gary Gilligan's replies/discussion

** The Aten - the dust/debris bands and the Suns Cobra Corona (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg745#msg745)

** The Aten - life on Earth from Mars (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg760#msg760)

** The Aten - the Khepri beetle and the suckling sycamore fig tree (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg772#msg772)

** The Aten - Solar system cofiguration and history (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg787#msg787) - Ackerman’s impact on Jupiter model and the birth of Mars

** The Aten - Raising the Djed (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg800#msg800) - The Djed and the 4 Pillars - Pharaohs holding up the heavens

** The Aten - More on the Djed (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg814#msg814) - The Djed as 4 Pillars in one

** The Aten - the 4 corners of the earth (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg841#msg841)

** The Aten (published as a TPOD and copied here) - Velikovsky's Comet Venus (Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg930#msg930)

** The Aten (TPOD and copied here) - Re (Ra) the Red Sun (Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg979#msg979)

** The Aten (TPOD and copied here) - Amun - An Ancient Aurora Filled Sky (Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1029#msg1029)

** GKS site article by The Aten - The Winged Disk and The God King Scenario (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg1073#msg1073)


The Aten discussing the GKS and how it explains the Bible stories

** GKS inspiration for the Bible (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg964#msg964) - this post and a few more posts after it

** Amun (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg981#msg981) - more on Amun
Title: Comet Venus - Introduction - Mercury brings balance to the force
Post by: electrobleme on January 30, 2010, 18:30:09
Mercury brings balance to the force

The introduction of Comet Venus is fast paced and very briefly explains the main ideas of to come. If you have not read any EU Catastrophe stuff before then its either mind blowing or you think it blows.

FOREWORD: not sure who it is by?

OUR SOLAR SYSTEM - A ROUGH CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER

Quickly explains how our Solar System came into place through Catastrophism (fully explained in the authors "An Ancient World in Chaos (http://www.troubador.co.uk/book_info.asp?bookid=561)" book)

**Basics - Planet smashes into Jupiter - evidence in the asteroid belt, new moons/planets and Jupiters Great Red Spot
** Mercurcy is the core of Mars and this new planet becomes Aten - evidence is Valles Marineris
*update 01/02/10 - I didnt mention before that these ideas inspired by Immanuel Velikovsky

Comet Venus book (http://www.gks.uk.com/) written by Gary Gilligan
Title: Comet Venus - The God King Scenario
Post by: electrobleme on January 30, 2010, 19:31:22
The God King Scenario

** Egyptians considered the planets as Kings/Queens with 2nd rank of godly status - divine - as they approached/receded from Earth they became living gods then die

** Mars, Mercury and the Moon were warrior Kings  - Venus the loyal Queen keeping an eye on the doings of her King

** The Catastrophe events that created the new god planets/kings and the present Solar System meant that the sky was full of debris/dust - creating chaos - the god kings roles were to maintain order and stop chaos

** Egypts battles and skirmishes were not earthly but represent sky battles. Gilligan states that "all of which are archeologically unverified" Hieroglyphs were sacred, used to record sacred events but that normal daily life stuff was recorded using demotic, a different system. Sacred Hieroglyphs record the lives/events of the astral god kings/queens

** The sky gods no longer are visible in our time because the EU Solar System has balanced out


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** According to the ancient Egyptian custom, when a planet descended from heaven, it was perceived to be an earthly god-king. Such planetary bodies were believed to be transposed royal entities and therefore a human king was chosen to be 'at one' with this planet and act as a human manifestation of it. Each and every time a planet visited earth it was represented by a human double. The Egyptians believed that everyone was born with an astral ka (double) or soul - a real physical double. Upon death, each individual united with their astral double to undertake a perilous journey before being reborn as a star (akh) in the night sky. This belief was of paramount importance and was a key tenet in ancient Egypt - it should therefore be taken at face value.

Comet Venus | The God King Scenario


Comet Venus book (http://www.gks.uk.com/) written by Gary Gilligan


Title: Re: Comet Venus - The God King Scenario
Post by: electrobleme on January 30, 2010, 20:01:44

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** Egypts battles and skirmishes were not earthly but represent sky battles. Gilligan states that "all of which are archeologically unverified" Hieroglyphs were sacred, used to record sacred events but that normal daily life stuff was recorded using demotic, a different system. Sacred Hieroglyphs record the lives/events of the astral god kings/queens

This idea could be verified through research, is there any physical evidence of them or are they only displayed on Temples? Could some of the battles be sky battles and some be earthly battles? Do the Temples show the Pharaohs battle or the actual battle of the sky god that he represents or is the double of?


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** The sky gods no longer are visible in our time because the EU Solar System has balanced out

If you are into Catastrophism and the Electric Universe Theory then this makes sense. Plasma Mythology is perhaps the best term i have heard to describe it. The interesting or worrying thought/reality is that Catastrophe involving the warrior planets has happened a number of times in earths past, so it will happen again. Will we lose all our knowledge again? Will folklore once again tell of battling gods as planets in the skies, hurling thunderbolts at each other? Will those who come after and live in peaceful times dismiss these stories and only consider earthly explanations/alternatives/ideas to explain the old beliefs/ideas/gods/writings found?

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** This belief was of paramount importance and was a key tenet in ancient Egypt - it should therefore be taken at face value
WYSIWYGetology - The quote in the previous post about Egyptians having doubles, a physical and a Ka is important. As a key point of their beliefs it should have a lot of evidence that back Gilligan's ideas. The Egyptians would not write or act it out any different to what they believed it to be. If its that important, and the after life was to them, you do not jeopardize those who have journeyed before, your loved ones or Pharaohs who are about to. More importantly there will be a time when it is your turn to take the dreaded journey.
Title: A CHALLENGE! "The Nonexistent Battles of the Pharaohs"
Post by: electrobleme on January 30, 2010, 20:24:08

This challenge is posted on the authors website

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A CHALLENGE!

I would like to challenge Egyptologists and archaeologists to provide substantial archaeological evidence for any of the major Pharaonic battles that are supposed to have occurred in ancient times. I am not referring to a few broken bones, the occasional sword, a battle axe or even a few broken chariots. The Egyptians fought many battles over a 3,000 year period and therefore there should be an abundance of archaeological evidence including the bodies of tens of thousands of dead soldiers.

This really is the crux of the matter - Egyptian or otherwise, where are the hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed in action from ancient times?

I can provide evidence from the surfaces of Mars, Mercury and the Moon as these heavily cratered planets provide the real legacy of pharaonic battles.

This is a crucial point because if I am wrong, if concrete evidence is provided, my theory would fall apart and that would be the end of the GKS. I am prepared to take this risk because I am confident that my theory as presented is accurate and entirely correct.

I wonder how many other ‘alternative' authors would be brave enough to set such a challenge!
A CHALLENGE! | by Gary Gilligan (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/#Challenge)

More on the authors thoughts on "The nonexistent battles of the Pharaohs" can be found  (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/here[/url)
Title: RE: A CHALLENGE! "The Nonexistent Battles of the Pharoahs"
Post by: electrobleme on January 31, 2010, 04:06:51

websites about ancient battles in Egypt

** Aspects of war in ancient Egypt | digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk (http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/foreignrelations/war.html)

** Who Were the Sea People? | saudiaramcoworld.com (http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/199503/who.were.the.sea.people..htm)

** The Incursions of the Sea Peoples | reshafim.org.il (http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/sea_peoples.htm)

** Was there a Hyksos invasion? | wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos#Was_there_a_Hyksos_invasion.3F)

** the army in ancient egypt | egyptologyonline.com (http://www.egyptologyonline.com/the_army_in_ancient_egypt.htm)


History Revisionism

Dating of wars and Eyptian history is an issue, is it correct? Are modern ideas and theories based on old ideas and theories? Are the old theories correct?

** The Revision of Ancient History - A Perspective | sis-group.org.uk (http://www.sis-group.org.uk/ancient.htm)

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1. INTRODUCTION
The Revision of Ancient History - A Perspective.

Ancient History as taught today is a disaster area. Nothing fits convincingly together. The development of the arts, cultures and technologies from earliest times shows inexplicable incongruities. Art historians and archaeologists are in disarray. Why? Because the chronology of the first and second millennium BC is badly wrong. How did this disaster happen? As accident investigators well know, the sequence of events leading up to major disasters is invariably a sequence of highly unlikely and unexpected happenings and coincidences. These conspire, often in chances of many millions to one against, to cause the disaster. Ancient history revisionists believe the cause of the disaster lies within the conventional chronology of ancient Egypt, referred to as the CC throughout the rest of this paper. This has been assumed correct, and used directly or indirectly to date nearly all the other early civilisations throughout Europe and the Near East. Such is the measure of control exerted by today's academic establishment that they would not tolerate a revisionist movement from within. So interested outsiders, including some brilliant scholars and innovative thinkers, who call themselves ancient history revisionists, are having to act as the accident investigators for this disaster. They are investigating all the relevant evidence, with painstaking thoroughness, to discover and expose all the events and unlucky coincidences that led to the adoption of the CC.
The Revision of Ancient History - A Perspective | sis-group.org.uk (http://www.sis-group.org.uk/ancient.htm)

Title: Comet Venus - The 'two lands' of Upper and Lower Egypt - Ka, Ba, Akh
Post by: electrobleme on January 31, 2010, 06:00:56
The 'two lands' of Upper and Lower Egypt = Heaven and Earth

** The 'two lands' of Upper and Lower Egypt = Heaven and Earth. One of the Pharaohs titles was "the king of dualities"

** Standard egyptology says the two lands of Egypt were divided by a line horizontaly from east/west and not vertical north/south. The horizontal line creating the Upper (south) and Lower (north) lands of Egypt. The river Nile naturally seperates the country of Egypt along a vertical south/north line. Why was this natural line not used? Is the south/north line only a modern theory and why did the Pharaohs continue to wear an Upper/Lower crown instead of a "unification" crown?

** Ba, Ka and the Akh - Ka every persons physical "double", Ba is a persons "soul" or one part of what makes that person individual, the Akh is a reunited person in the Upper Land (heaven) seen at night.

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It is surprising that the Egyptian belief in the transformation of humans into stars after death is brushed aside as a bizarre belief which cannot be explained. Yet this belief provides invaluable informatin - the Egyptians not only showed themselves transposed as stars, but they also revealed the location of their next world. This was the hemispherical blackness of space which canopied the four corners of Earth. It was this world which all ancient cultures were obsessed wtih and which all aspired to be reborn in.
Comet Venus | The Akh

** Re (Ra) the Sun god - the red Sun god - why was the sun god shown with a red disc? Quick teaser as next chapters title is "SPACE DEBRIS AND THE RED SUN"


Comet Venus book (http://www.gks.uk.com/) written by Gary Gilligan
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on January 31, 2010, 06:57:00
**Basics - Planet smashes into Jupiter - evidence in the asteroid belt, new moons/planets and Jupiters Great Red Spot
** Mercurcy is the core of Mars and this new planet becomes Aten - evidence is Valles Marineris
electrobleme (summarising the ideas of Gary Gilligan)  

Did Venus and Titan just get born ? And Mercury.
Maybe there is an electric current passing between Saturn, or Jupiter, and an approaching planet-like body, such that the currents carries with it much water and atmospheric components. So if the charge between the bodies is such that this material is passed from Saturn or Jupiter to the approaching body. Then the approaching planet would become very hot and gain a large atmosphere.

From Earth it would appear that mother Jupiter is feeding baby planet, and in fact if the planet was in electrical equilibrium with it's environment before approaching Saturn, then it would be very unlikely to be very visible from Earth ( at the distance of Saturn or Jupiter from Earth ). Therefore it would appear to be born out of nowhere, but still near Jupiter and brightly interacting with Jupiter.

This means that there still would have been an electrically active Saturn, or Saturn-Jupiter, system to supply the electrical potential difference needed to produce the heating and material transfer. I mean  -   it couldn't happen today, could it ?  That is a big moon breaking free and then orbitting the Sun a few times before having a very near head on prang with Saturn, say. Sounds like a good movie anyhow !  But what would happen. Would there be enough potential difference between the two bodies for there to be thunderbolts, ie arc mode current, and was there much much greater potential difference in the ancient days because there was a collision, or joining, of the Solar System with a Saturn System of planets.

A rogue moon might be all that was needed to cause all the disturbance. A chain reaction of unstable orbits could have resulted, and somebody must have considered this scenario before. I think considering these alternative ideas gives one a feel of the possibilities.
Mo
Title: the apparent birthing and death of planets in an electrical universe - scenarios
Post by: electrobleme on February 01, 2010, 00:16:59

ahhhh how some rocky planets got a thick atmosphere and why others dont have. this could also apply to earth, perhaps not transfered from mars but another planet or gas giant in a similar process. could it have come from Saturn/Jupiter as we wondered pass or close to it?

venus being powered up by saturn/jupiter could explain its amazing hot/thick atmosphere  - why it still has it - why it appeared as a comet. titans thick cold atmosphere - from its parent

these events would have to change the solar systems circuit. another option could be that something happened to the power or current of solar systems electrical circuit - either it increased/decreased massively or its flow stopped for a short period

if it increased/decreased then not only would all the planets need to balance out but they could become alive or die like you mention about the wandering planet or moon - i suspect that the planets would not just glow or dim in a scale but may step up or step down there activity - gas giants going into glow/dark mode - water/atmosphere/live planets either sparking further into abundant life or going into survival/dormant mode

if the asteroid belt was already there when one of these changes of orbits or planets happened then could this trigger them to either come out of orbit due to changes in charge=orbit or that the planets suddenly move through their orbit?

if the current flow stopped then you would get "back EMF" or "counter EMF". this is an immense surge of current/charge in a long established circuit. an earthly example is when your lights/tv flicker when your fridge turns off. this surge could do a number of similar things as above. could it even "destroy" or blow a planet up if it was strong enough and the planet was to electrically stressed? or create the birth of planets?

as for your electrical universe movie i dont see why not. a change in charge of a planet/moon or a disturbance in the force ;) could throw it out of orbit - as gravity is an electrical universe effect and not the ruler of the universe. then literally old hell could break loose!
for the arc mode it could happen if the moon approached a planet that was not its parent - for example a saturn/jupiter moon approaching the other gas gaint

i think a good idea but long term idea is to start a thread with all the different scenarios we can think of or find - starting with the standard ones from the EU, the ones we have discussed and then others that we can think of. so we have the main/parent/family idea and then we do the variation/scion ideas - scionarios!

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 01, 2010, 01:21:43
I am sure You have all noted the most wonderfull big moon lately?
And Mars opposite the sun?
The other night I was driving home watching the most red of sunsets, when I noticed how absolutely opposite was the moon.
The field effect will be the apparent colour We observe.
The cyclic nature of the apparent movement of celestial bodies is what is depicted in Egypt IMHO.
I spend lots of time in the british museum looking at egyptian relics with an electrical dowsers hat on, I don't read the descriptions offered.
Kevin
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: mharratsc on February 01, 2010, 05:31:34
I was checking out that GKS site, and it sort of reminds me of Velikovsky's first sorties against mainstream thinking.

I think that what he is suggesting is quite plausible if his accounting of the facts is true.  We already surmise that much of the ancient scripts are indeed celestial accounts.  That being said- it's entirely plausible that the 3000 years of fighting was indeed the period in which the the linear conjunction was separating, with some pretty traumatic electrical events going on.  This was the same period that the the world was writing about dragons and whatnot after all, right?

It's just a shame that they guy is trying to adapt the concept of a 'planetary accretion disk' to the history that he has deciphered.  Someone should turn the guy on to the work of Dave Talbott and let him soak in all the EU stuff!  ;)

Mike H.
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 01, 2010, 06:25:23
Well if gases get transferred from jupiter to Venus, then it is likely that gases would get transferred between Mars and Earth, during close interactions. And my
theory has sediment transfer as well. How Mars and Earth got their original atmospheres is unknown to humanity, but interactions with Jupiter or Saturn sound reasonable.

If Venus and Titan got their atmospheres from Jupiter or Saturn, then the heating of these planets might not have gone very much below the surface. Thus the interiors of these planets could be cool. Now for Venus being near the Sun, there would not have been enough time, 3,000 years or so, for much cooling, whereas Titan being far from the Sun could have cooled much more. Titan is much smaller than Venus and therefore would have a lot less atmosphere and might have undergone a lot less heating. Thus the differences in Venus and Titan are better explained by this new theory than them being born from Jupiter or Saturn.

Indeed, next after a rogue planet, an increased electrical current coming into the Solar System is a likely scenario, especially considering double layers and resonating circuits. A fired up Sun with greatly increased electric currents could quite likely change the orbits of the planets. Rogue bodies could result.

The boomerang-type stories of returning thunderbolts are good evidence of electrical conditions in the past, because of the electrical property or returning current. The layered craters are one result.

One needs to consider the wild side to get a feel for the truth. Then we have to rip up these wild ideas. It hurts to destroy our creations, but this is the way.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 01, 2010, 08:34:03
That being said- it's entirely plausible that the 3000 years of fighting was indeed the period in which the the linear conjunction was separating, with some pretty traumatic electrical events going on.  This was the same period that the the world was writing about dragons and whatnot after all, right?   Mike H.

The actual Saturn System separation event would have been pretty quick. Maybe there were events leading up to the separation or maybe it happened suddenly. There would have been a long period of 'fighting' after this separation before the planets came to equilibrium in their present orbits. Thus world history should reflect this period of adjustment as the planets must all have had very elliptical orbits during this stage. Thus the Egyptian history should show this period of planetary interactions.

My theory is that there was an old civilization in Egypt before the separation and many of the temples and pyramids were built at this time. Some time after the separation another civilization arose in the same area amongst the relics building more temples and pyramids. It is just that the datings are so hopeless that we can't tell which are the very old relics. So we are mixing up Saturn System stuff with Velikovskian stuff.

It's just a shame that they guy is trying to adapt the concept of a 'planetary accretion disk' to the history that he has deciphered.  Someone should turn the guy on to the work of Dave Talbott and let him soak in all the EU stuff! 
Mike H.

Actually Dave Talbott and Gary Gilligan are very well known to each other. You will find that there is great variation in the ideas of many of the long term Velikovsky-type historians. But generally they know each others work pretty well. That there was a lot of dust about at some stage seems certain, and we do see disks  around planets in our Solar System. So gatherings of dust would be very likely also. The ionosphere indicates that there would have been regions for the dust to accumulate. The whole subject of the past is still very open.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 01, 2010, 08:51:14
The cyclic nature of the apparent movement of celestial bodies is what is depicted in Egypt IMHO.  kevin

I would have thought that predicting a close approach of a planet to Earth would have been the chief priest's main job. So the cycles of the planets were probably recorded intently. Kevin, are you saying you are seeing evidence for such depictions of planetary cycles ?  That sounds pretty interesting.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 01, 2010, 14:38:31
Mo,
     In terms of moving planets etc yes, but.
I don't think in terms of moving planets, I view the universe as a rigid fixed solid.
Thats why apparent was inserted.
The movement imho is of the serpent flows, they are flowing and give the illusion of movement, which is re-inforced by metiorites seemingly confirming the movement.
The metiorites are created in the flows where specific geometry coalesces into mass which then is attracted into or repulsed electrically by the large mass formed in the solid.
There is movement of the planets etc but not as now accepted, they are switching about driven by the cyclic flows, nothing is anything other than concentrations of geometric vibrations, and each planet develops it's own field symbiotically with the flows that feed it.
If You view the Egyptian drawings in such a way then You start to "SEE" what they were depicting.
Every finite point of universe can be and is anything, but it is all no-thing.
We assume consistancy and talk of millions of years, but it is assumption.

If a series of vibrations builds relative to the sun it may turn red, or even go out totally, in the blink of an eye.
The cycles of the serpents flows will be so huge compared to our lives , but unless We recognise them , then they will not exist at all, once You "SEE" them then it sort of makes sense and becomes simple.

The serpents are vibration flows, they travel upon geometry that forms polygons in 2D, each polygon rotates in opposite direction so the flows have serpentine pathways, I have the advantage of following the serpents with ease, then it just hits you the spherical implications as they travel about in ever larger geometry.
Yes the planets move, but not as independant objects , but as local areas of switching where all within the field about each planet REMEMBERS how it is organised as long as the duality of flows enables it to, but if alterations to these flows occurs that lead to alterations in the balances and levels of the serpents then any or certain areas of what We think of as solid could simply morph or return to no-thing(death valley)
Continents could simply seem to vanish , mountains appear, not as now accepted but because of the flows been orientated in different strengths in the geometry.
All is ONE.
Kevin
Title: Comet Venus - Space debris and the red Sun
Post by: electrobleme on February 01, 2010, 22:30:45
A Solar System besieged with space debris

A short but very important chapter, so most of its details noted below.

** galatic interloper smashes into Jupiter - dust/debris/gases/chaos - dust forms cosmic cloud that spreads out but concentrated along the suns equatorial plane - pancake shape. Sun especially shrouded but debris pancake out to Jupiter/Saturn and perhaps Uranas/Neptune.

** Epliptic Haze over time also concentrates around the planets and is fed by the planetary wars/chaos. Epliptic Haze and earths Dust Ring deifed with gods including Isis, Hathor and Ptah

** Egyptian Red Sun/Orbs = Sun/planets viewed through the Epliptic Haze. lasted 300 years then cleared. Golden Mummies appeared at this time.
Implications of Red Sun = Egypitan art shows yellow rim or cobra around the outside of sun which is the Corona (the brightest part) that could now be seen. Earth/Egypt not so hot, Egyptians wore loinclothes and could work outdoors on Pyramids/Temples during the day/summer

** The God Kings/Queens could be seen much brighter during the during the day as reduced solar light/glare. This applies especially to the Comet Venus

** No white crescent moon in Egyptian art as Earth only captured it 3000 years ago


Comet Venus book (http://www.gks.uk.com/) written by Gary Gilligan



Title: Re: Comet Venus - Space debris and the red Sun
Post by: electrobleme on February 01, 2010, 22:59:33
I like this chapter. We will discuss the ideas about how our solar system became until the day we die, as we will never really know but the Red Sun can not have to many logical options. Gilligan has followed his logic path here and obviously will back it up futher.

The idea of a Red Sun due to dust makes sense. Either from the chaos as he describes, from any other Catastrope theory or/and perhaps with an active electric Solar System and its plasma creating lots of dust. Who knows.

The sun does go red when it sets and also after massive forest fires and krakatoa. The dusty epliptic haze/cloud would concentrate on the suns equatorial plane and we would view the sun through the thickest part of the sun. Unless the Sun was not the same then 9much weaker or the planets more charged,) the Sun was one of the other gas giants or the Earths orbit in the chaos was not on the Suns equatorial plane like it is today.

The Golden Mummies - be interesting to see what art they were associated with, anything different about these compared to those thought to be in the Red Sun period. The Discovery of the Valley of the Mummies - Golden Mummies (http://touregypt.net/historicalessays/golden.htm)

Would the reduced glare/heat of the sun also mean more water in the atmosphere and in the land, especially for Egypt? Can this explain why the Sahara was green, why Egypt had more lakes and rivers before?

Also, if it was a universe in chaos and electrically unbalanced would they have built the temples/pyramids to harness the energy? The reason why around the world the ancients all constructed these megaliths? And now the solar system is in balance they are not as energetic as before.

As the Electric Universe balanced out the force reduced and they needed to build extensions to the Temples and stone circles. For example in Malta the "Temples" were added to 3 or 4 times. Tarxien Temple is a noted puzzle because even mainstream people are puzzled as to why were the latter temples squeezed in (Tarxien South Apse 3) (http://www.odysseyadventures.ca/articles/malta_temples/tarxien/maltemples_tarxien.htm) and very roughly done. Not much of a temple, more like a granny flat/temple :)

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 02, 2010, 07:02:49
Kevin, perhaps you are seeing things 4-D. In 4-D with time as the fourth dimension, change would be seen as a curve. Also as the object changing went away in time, either forwards or backwards, then it would appear to diminish creating a curved effect. Anything moving in a circle would appear as a spiral. At any moment 4-D would appear 'set' or solid and this leads to the question of fate and free will.

I certainly consider that the ancient Egyptians could have seen what you see, especially with the greater magnetic field of those days. But it is the sense of cycles and the frequencies of those cycles which particularly interest me. Like thge Mayan used 260 days, and a lot of other numbers in their depictions. Where are the Egyptian numbers.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 02, 2010, 08:02:18
Implications of Red Sun = Egypitan art shows yellow rim or cobra around the outside of sun which is the Corona (the brightest part) that could now be seen. Earth/Egypt not so hot, Egyptians wore loinclothes and could work outdoors on Pyramids/Temples during the day/summer   electrobleme (about GG)

How cold the Earth must have been during very dusty conditions. Could the Sun's corona be seen under any conditions ? 

** The God Kings/Queens could be seen much brighter during the during the day as reduced solar light/glare. This applies especially to the Comet Venus.       electrobleme (about GG)

Now this is stretching it. All the dust would be like a dust storm now. If the Sun looked duller, then Venus would appear duller too, even as a blazing comet. This is why I like Jno Cook's idea of the Duat being a circle in the sky at night, produced by the Earth shading that circular area. One old Egyptian could not see through the lit-up dust, but she could see through the circular shaded area - the Duat.

Would the reduced glare/heat of the sun also mean more water in the atmosphere and in the land, especially for Egypt? Can this explain why the Sahara was green, why Egypt had more lakes and rivers before?
electrobleme

The Sahara was green in the Saturn System because water was electrically held in the atmosphere, and heat and light was provided mostly by the four Birkeland currents that passed over and possibly through Earth. This provided womb-like conditions over most of the Earth, even in Antarctica. This is a fundamental aspect of the Saturn System in my view, but not all agree !

I think that the original pyramids were constructed in the Saturn System, with various levels of technology, to depict what they saw - a world mountain that was layered. A plasma phenomena.  A lot of other ideas and possibly electrical technology was probably incorporated in these pyramids also. Later peoples were probably awestruck by the old pyramids, and repaired them and built copies and held ceremonies, etc there. Pyramids are obvious candidates for time chests too. But all this is just my view. And clearly the Saturn System persists in my views, whereas others are against it.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on February 02, 2010, 21:31:18
Mo, sure earth’s atmosphere contained a lot of dust, much of this sourced from the now extinct volcanoes running down the Sinai Peninsula and the Santorini volcano (volcanoes embodied in the god Bess), but I’m more referring to the dust and gasses littering the ecliptic. For me, any form of cosmic chaos would produce countless tons of dust and debris. This falling into the plane of the ecliptic and taking hundreds if not thousands of years to clear up. This stuff hazed the sun red thus granting my close proximity planetary god kings visibility at any time during the day, even near conjunction i.e. no glare as experienced today.
  
Close proximity bodies, tidal friction warming up the earth, this more than compensating for the hazed red sun. Definitely moist as evidenced by the Egyptian goddess of moisture Tefnut 'She of Moisture' (interestingly no god of rain though). Moisture, I believe more to do with Mars lost oceans than anything earth generated (i.e. evaporation).

>Could the Sun's corona be seen under any conditions?

Absolutely, the highly active hotter corona was clearly observed along with solar Flares, prominences and CME’s. Such phenomena were seen to lash out into space several times the diameter of the sun. This was embodied in the Egyptian cobra who was said to spit fire and venom at Egypt’s enemies.  It was pictorially represented by painting a thin yellow ring around the sun to form the body of the cobra, to this a tail and head were added as can be seen here.

http://www.si.umich.edu/CHICO/Mummy/Afterlife/graphics/rabarge.gif

Where else would the idea that snakes spit fire originate, and why drape a cobra over the sun in this way?

Gary Gilligan
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 03, 2010, 06:57:34
I think I am hinting at there being the last ice age during the dusty times. Then maybe the Atlantic currents could have changed, as is always being postulated. But I see the Earth, previous to these times, being in an elliptical orbit producing the periodic ice ages.

Now I think Venus would have been extremely bright in the dusty times, so that it could have been seen during the day, but the dust would have hindered such viewing. And maybe the ring around the Sun was an optical effect due to refraction, rather than the corona, however giant flares would have been quite likely in those days, and these might have been very visible.

If there was dust generated by interplanetary thunderbolts, then it is odds on that there was a lot of water  thrown into space too, water being polarised. Such water would tend to get together pretty quickly, and perhaps that is what Tefnut was, but that is a wild guess. I do wonder often when Mars lost it's water and it's life.

I admire your work.
Mo
Title: Red Sun in the morning Pharaohs warning
Post by: electrobleme on February 03, 2010, 14:14:41

Red Sun in the morning Pharaohs warning!

scenario Jupiter collusion creating immense dust/debris

scionario
When the dust first exploded/created then it could be all over the solar system but then concentrated on the suns equatorial, then the planets, then dissapeared
if the immense dust was concentrated on the suns equatorial plane, similar to the planets orbits, then looking at the sun would make it red but other objects to the sides, especially to the horizons would not be seen through so much dust?
obviously depends on earths orbit/axis at the time and the other planets
Title: colour change of the sun and the planets due to solar circuit?
Post by: electrobleme on February 03, 2010, 15:04:04
If a series of vibrations builds relative to the sun it may turn red, or even go out totally, in the blink of an eye.
The cycles of the serpents flows will be so huge compared to our lives , but unless We recognise them , then they will not exist at all, once You "SEE" them then it sort of makes sense and becomes simple.

The serpents are vibration flows, they travel upon geometry that forms polygons in 2D, each polygon rotates in opposite direction so the flows have serpentine pathways, I have the advantage of following the serpents with ease, then it just hits you the spherical implications as they travel about in ever larger geometry.

All is ONE.
Kevin


could the change in the suns colour be be due to something else?

suns change colour and size due to the electrical energy/stress - if the solar systems circuit changed would this change the sun? if it went giant and red then this might be an answer. i think Plasma Cosmology says we might have lived in such conditions before during the Golden Age?

can it change its frequency so change its colour without changing its size? what affect would that have on the orbits and the planets? would they also change colour? atmosphere/planets energy changing and interaction different
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 03, 2010, 16:06:23
If You stepaside from the male dominated explosive /collision/big bang stuff, and think in a female sense.
Then dust could simply formulate in a change of flows as they cross onto different geometry, all is ONE, a sea of STUFF that is all, can be transmuted into any element.
If a pinch point was arrived at by our local solar system where the attraction and repulasion forces of an even larger geometric system encouraged a switching about , similer to when trains meet switching points on the rail, the geometry pathways would permeate and alter right through all involved.

It would appear to the observer here on the surface of Earth as though a battle in the heavens was raging, and in our 3D perspective we would asign the reason to physical mass, but what is mass?

Our senses are short distance survival ones, colour is simply used to recognise what We are accustomed to seeing, it is assumption to presume that all colours were then as now, that the condition permeating this planet was as now, We are too short lived to SEE the alterations, and only the stone actually manages a long enough time span to SEE the differences.


Kevin
Title: Tutankhamun's pectoral - brooch or mars?
Post by: electrobleme on February 03, 2010, 18:34:54

The dust/debris cloud and the red sun/globe is discussed on the God King Scenario site - Tutankhamun's pectoral (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks5/)

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/marstutsc.jpg)
Tutankhamun's pectoral - broach or image of Mars?
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on February 04, 2010, 01:16:39

If You stepaside from the male dominated explosive /collision/big bang stuff, and think in a female sense.
Then dust could simply formulate in a change of flows as they cross onto different geometry, all is ONE, a sea of STUFF that is all, can be transmuted into any element.
If a pinch point was arrived at by our local solar system where the attraction and repulasion forces of an even larger geometric system encouraged a switching about , similer to when trains meet switching points on the rail, the geometry pathways would permeate and alter right through all involved.

It would appear to the observer here on the surface of Earth as though a battle in the heavens was raging, and in our 3D perspective we would asign the reason to physical mass, but what is mass?

Our senses are short distance survival ones, colour is simply used to recognise what We are accustomed to seeing, it is assumption to presume that all colours were then as now, that the condition permeating this planet was as now, We are too short lived to SEE the alterations, and only the stone actually manages a long enough time span to SEE the differences.


Kevin

one thing i have noticed is that especially dust but sometimes mineral and water are being formed where there are EU events happening in space and perhaps on earth. i also think about how much dust has been created on earth to keep burying things and that rain is sometimes very dirt (i know it can be blown up into clouds but every time?).

so are you saying on a real simple level something like when you have mutliple waves interfering with each other, constructive and destructive interference, that the different vibrations/frequency changes the stuff into something. so it becomes something else depending on what is happening around it?

due to the local micro and macro geometery the same event would flip in and out different things?

you point about remembering that conditions and things change is important. i keep looking at my gEUlogy stuff and thinking of what happened to it but imagining the world today. so wrong.

the other thing is that names/words really do limit something and nature. as soon as you name it that puts boundaries on you and how you see/think/interact with it. but how can you describe something to someone else without using some words, even images unless a photograph frame it in.
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 04, 2010, 03:05:40
What I sense occurs is creation of elements relative to the inputs on the geometry.
The geometry is there permeating the whole, but it depends on the specific resonance flows levels what that element will be formed.
Remember I see all as one, and movement that we now consider in an independant manner as been switching, where nothing is moving , but is switching from point to point .
This concept is easier with an electrical base to all.
ONE sea of a substance that can be anything, and is anything because nothing is seperate at all, all apparent movement is switching, and the force that allows that switching is in duality slightly out of balance.
that out of balance creates a constant chase, and as local areas of the one stufff orientate into elements they also formulate a surrounding field that empowers the stuff to re-orientate to become what is remembered within the field bounderies, thus a living object has its own field, but will be within fields and fields and fields, all expanding out to galaxies and universes.
The movement is not of an object, but of a fluid switching from point to point in whatever this stuff is, all the so called speeds such as sound in atmosphere will be switching rates .
ALL IS ONE.


A tree does not grow, it converts ever more STUFF about itself into the orientation that becomes the tree, the energy of the duality of lifeforce required to maintain this is imploded into this re-orientation, We release this by burning wood.
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 04, 2010, 03:20:42
The tree is a conversion device that locally within it's unique field pathways manipulates the flows in such geometric orientations that the elements and compounds of that are the tree are enabled to form in that field.
We create our own unique field that does exactly the same, all  living entities do, and the planet is alive, thus as the life force leaves anything it converts to that of the planet, and the planet will locally re-orientate the sea of stuff to become whatever relative to the field flows condition, thus a diamond will form in the geometry relative to a diamond, it will then maintain such by having the life force feed it constantly in the unique field structure relative to diamond, all this will be occuring at such speed that we cannot percieve it.
Thus the plane5t is moving, but is not moving it is switching and been maintained within its field .

Going up in scale thus the sun could convert to whatever relative to any alterations to the galactic field patterns it switchs along into, the galaxy can morph to whatever as universal field flows alter and they all act symbiotically all the way down to the pimple on your nose.
All things by immortal power,
near and far,
Hiddenly,
To each other linked are,
that thou canst stir a flower without troubling a star.
Francis Thompson
Kevin
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 04, 2010, 14:01:00
When we consider Mars in relationship to Earth in those ancient days of Amenhotep, we make some assumptions.

We have Mars in an orbit that is similar to today's orbit, however the preceding chaotic planetary motions

have produced dusty and unstable electrical conditions. Consequently when Mars was about 90 degrees from the

Sun the sheath of Mars would probably been visible similar to the illustrations in

http://www.gks.uk.com/gks5/

However when Mars is opposite the Sun so that we have the Sun, Earth and Mars forming a line, then there

would likely have been a big current flowing between Earth and Mars through the Earth's sheath. Because when

the Sun was setting in the West, Mars was rising in the East, dusk would have had a spectacular sight in the

East. As Mars rose up the lit-up Earth sheath would have become more visible. The result would have been

that it appeared that a colourful winged beetle arose out the ground, just as depicted.

At such times one would expect more auroras around Earth and more lightning. And there would have been

memories and stories of great catastrophies in the past when Mars or another planet was so positioned in the

conical sheath of Earth. All good reasons for godly status of Mars.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on February 04, 2010, 23:09:48

Mo, thanks for the heads up and Mat thanks for featuring my work, very much appreciated.

Some brief thoughts.

I believe Mars only 5,000 years ago was home to human life.  It was a planet was as vibrant as earth today with millions of people sharing similar lives to that of you and I - no bulbous eyed little green men, but humans having the same thoughts, fears and insecurities as we have. If the dating of Martian rock is anything to go by then they were probably more technologically advanced than us. Perhaps evolution on Mars actually developed in a straight line, unlike the missing links here on earth.  What happened? Impending chaos was probably foreseen however, due to the scale of cosmic catastrophe, predicting the outcome was impossible. That said, one thing ‘our ancestors’ were sure of and that was...  Armageddon, this was end of the world and probably the end of human life in the Solar System. I mean, what do you do when you realise at the very least your planet is about to tossed into a washing machine for millennia and then tumble dried with the setting on melt?!

Fortunately for us, there was a frozen rocky planet we know as earth. Rocky in the true sense of the meaning, in that earth at this time was basically one great land mass – Pangea. Ensuing chaos between Mars and earth would see this great land mass split into segments to form the continents (tectonic plates) we recognise today. This would explain why the ocean floors look surprisingly new and offer an explanation to how the Clovis people made contact across the great Atlantic, they didn’t, they simply walked. Encounters with Mars would see the transfer of its vast oceans and volatiles. This mainly occurred above the Trans-Himalayas as Pharaonic Mars locked into a geosynchronous orbit around earth, thus artificially and suddenly dragging up the mountains.  The dust and volatiles formed an enormous cosmic ‘tree’ stretching out into space. It was observed by ancient cultures who duly represented it as a sacred or ‘stylised tree’ with a winged disk (mars) above it (prevalent throughout Mesopotamian cultures), sometimes flanked with griffins. The Egyptians saw it as “Horus in the horizon” i.e. the king as the embodiment of Horus literally ‘in’ the dust and debris of the horizon. Mars probably appeared as Tutankhamun’s broach in the image above (Tutankhamun “living image of amun/aurora” = blue, hence Tut/Mars wearing of a bright blue wig) with the ‘tree’ appearing as a cosmic scarab from the local of Egypt. I’m more than convinced the Christmas tree has its origins in the cosmic ‘tree of life.’ Passed down via pagan beliefs.
     
Anyway, prior to the emergence of the aforementioned cultures pockets of people from Mars somehow made it to earth. How? Obviously spacecraft of some kind. Where are they? Haven’t a clue but the journey was somehow made and the intelligent gene was sown. This was no ‘Hollywood’ migration with “the next shuttle to earth will be leaving in T minus 1” crap. On the contrary, millions of people died on Mars, only a select and fortunate few made it to earth. The evidence? Probably vaporised along with the Martian flora and fauna although I’m optimistic evidence of human life will one day be founds on Mars. Probably in the form of ruins with a Mc Donald’s sign, or perhaps a partially buried ‘planet of the apes’ statue of liberty.  We have to remember Mars has been literally torn inside out, a needle in a haystack would be a luxury.

No sooner had the Martians landed than they were almost wiped out. Many times the clock was set to zero but we survived. The migration of humans from Mars is to coincide with the emergence of civilizations around the globe 5,000 years ago. Why wasn’t earth colonised sooner? Don’t know, I can only think conditions were not conducive for human life, not enough oxygen perhaps? Frozen earth? Who knows? 

Our ancestors brought with them domesticated animals (embryonic state?) grains, fruit etc. All previously undergoing genetic modification (or GE) previously on Mars.  Ancient cultures do not just suddenly ‘domesticate’ animals, they hadn’t the ability, they were not genetic scientists.  It was all done on Mars. This is why apples, bananas and pears, etc. are the perfect shape for human hands and most livestock today wouldn’t survive without humans. Much of this appeared 5,000 years ago, this is no coincidence.

The above could be written better but you get the jist.

Gary Gilligan
 
http://gks.uk.com/
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 05, 2010, 02:31:32
the aten,
              Hello , great to read through your site.
As an aside , has your delvings into Egypt ever thrown up anything about these little handbags?
http://www.atlantisbolivia.org/boliviaandthesumerianconnection.htm
the self same handbags are on one of the goekli tepe stones, and I consider they are resonance devices similer to the bells associated with the dorje.
watch which hand they are held in, what height, and look at the layering shown in the left hand photo of one of the depections, basically I find alternate layers at different height above surface.
This dorje imho will have been capable of slicing through solid rock, a little like a projected laser beam of resonance of one half of a duality.
http://drilbudorje.tripod.com/_Dorje.htm

These flows of duality imo are birkeland currents circulating this planet, they are the serpents, they are the dragons, they will transmute planets.
kevin
Title: the Dorje and Energy Discharge Machining
Post by: electrobleme on February 05, 2010, 18:08:45

i have wondered about how the ancients carved/cut there monstrous stones and also moved them. Chris Dunn's great site http://www.gizapower.com/ shows the perfection of the carving/cutting http://www.gizapower.com/pma/index.htm

normal maching is one answer but the energy of sound is something i have wondered about also, i suppose since reading the Dune books! the Dorje in standard EU Theory represents the gods thunderbolts but why would we not copy the gods weapons and natural power?

kevin, they used it not to cut/carve but to transmute/transform the stuff away, like vapourisng it or sound/energy "EDM", an Energy Discharge Machining? like what you are saying about stuff switching, if the egyptians and ancients knew how to change the field of an area then they could transform it or switch its field so it transformed into something else like water, air, sand

for a thought provoking look at the massive stone at Baalbek there is a good Peter Jupp EU video of it  The Destruction of Baalbek - City of the (thunderbolt) Gods (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=215.msg741#msg741)



Title: Comet Venus - Horus (Heru, he who is above)
Post by: electrobleme on February 05, 2010, 20:35:55
Egyptian God/Planet Horus (Heru, he who is above)

** Horus = ruling pharaoh = planet rulling the sky above

** Horus is shown as a Falcon because they soar in the skies above and are majestic

** the word Horus comes from hr this word could means above, upon, that which is above, he who is above

** Horus is shown with wings wrapped around his double on earth, the ruling Pharaoh

quote below from authors site

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"Live the Horus: Wosretkew; Favorite of the Two Goddesses; Fresh in Years; Golden Horus: Divine of Diadems; splendid part of her father, Amon-Re, lord of heaven, who has not been far removed from the father of all gods, shining in brightness like the Horizon-God she illuminates like the sun, vivifying the hearts of the people, who is exalted in name so that it hath reached heaven (ibid 137)."

As above, all planetary bodies were the incarnation of Horus when ruling over earth and as incandescent reddish orbs all would emit or reflect a certain amount of 'shining light.'
Sacred chaos, sacred words | GKS 4 (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks4/)

Comet Venus book (http://www.gks.uk.com/) written by Gary Gilligan
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 05, 2010, 20:38:57
It's not so much as dissolve , more akin to local orientation of each finite point to that of space, thus instant no-thing, not nothing, no-thing, no local re-orientation of each point to thus coalesce with surrounding points field shapes to create an atom of whatever.
Thus from the sea of ONE, all things are possible, every finite point can be anything.

If You can imagine a field that adjoins with many others in specific orientations to thus create what we call an atom, the orientations of these been geometrically specific to whatever element that atom is, yes they can be re-orientated by strong local fields  and thus transmute into other elements, but the base neutral orientation is that of space.
Compound vast stresses in this neutral orientation will be birkeland flows where opposite spin spirals circum navigate each other as they are attracted and repulsed across space.
As they meet say this planet they will encounter the overall local field relative to this planet, they will thus feed into and maintain this as long as they are from all directions around the sphere in a balanced enough manner to sustain this.
If a sudden over powering surge occurs then the very overall pattern of the planets field may morph , and that morph will ripple inwards to all scale, each and every atom could morph instantly into say stone???
Kevin
Title: Horus and the Eye of Horus
Post by: electrobleme on February 05, 2010, 20:46:54
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/statue-horus-temple-egypt-egyptian-gods-deities-kings-protecting-pharoahs-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/statue-horus-temple-egypt-egyptian-gods-deities-kings-protecting-pharoahs.jpg)
Statue of Horus protectimg his earthly double the Pharaoh? (photographed at the Temple of Horus) Larger image (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/statue-horus-temple-egypt-egyptian-gods-deities-kings-protecting-pharoahs.jpg)

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egyptian-hieroglyphic-orthography-Eye-of-Horus-symbol-fractions.jpg)
In ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic orthography, isolated parts of the "Eye of Horus" symbol were used to write various fractions (wiki)

Does the Eye of Horus now take on a different meaning? Protecting, guarding those it looks over. Also does it show the God King planet on the horizon or in the different sky they had back then in regards to the dust belt etc?

Title: Comet Venus - Hathor - the ecliptic band and celestial equator
Post by: electrobleme on February 06, 2010, 03:26:38
Hathor - the ecliptic band and celestial equator


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Hathor-egyptian-column-Denderah-image-photograph-braid-hair-temples.jpg)
Hathor Egyptian Goddess on a column at Denderah temple with braided hair


** Hathor and Isis = 2 bands of dust/debris across the sky. Hathor = fixed Celestial equator bands (earths own debris rings). Isis = moveable ecliptic (suns debris band)

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These two almost interchangeable deities dwelt in the intermediate space and undertook the same basic role, that of nurturing and housing the astral kings as they danced with Earth for 3000 years


(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/marstutsc.jpg)
Hathor - "house of the king"


Hathor
** Earths multiple bands/rings = trillions of tons of asteroids, rocks, icebergs, water droplets, gasses, sand etc and eventually the moon. replenished through the chaos/wars/thunderbolts between Mars/Venus/Moon/mercury.
** Observed clearly at night and sometimes during the day.
** Planets/suns/objects seen in the bands and between the rings as they moved across the sky.
** Hathors Hairdo - unique braided look that represents the rings/bands. Omega shape/symbol?
** Hathors names include lady of the stars, the Mother of Mothers, the celestial nurse, the golden one, mistress of turquoise, the Beautiful with numerous colours. Due to bands position in the sky, how energetic the Electric Universe was at that time etc.
** Hathor looked after the setting sun until the next day, sun would glow more red as it set especially if in the Hathor band.
Hathor seen as a mountain.

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The planetary kings also entered into geosynchronous obits [sic] around the earth (they orbited around the Earth) which placed them directly within Earth's rings. In other words, the Kings were born in, housed and looked after until death by Hathor many times over. This paralleled the astral king's divine association with Hathor...

The following epithets cofirm Hathor's role in giving birth to the kings:
"Mysterious One who gives birth to the divine entities..."
"You from whom the Divine Entities come forth..."

Hathors name translation is "house of the kings". Pharaohs/Kings title is "son of Hathor".


Bovine attribute
** Hathor image of cow, sycamore fig tree (exudes white milk liquid and band spread across the sky) and if women image then with cow ears.


(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/clip_image012.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks2/) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/clip_image036.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks2/)
Hathor as women with cow ears and Hathor as a suckling sycamore fig tree


** Hathor nurses/suckles the Pharaohs / God Kings / Planets. Hathor never suckles Re. Sprites (upwards mega lightning) seen in or because of Hathor the band by the ancients?


(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Prometheus%20colliding%20pulling%20streamer%20from%20f%20ring.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks2/)
Saturns moon Prometheus suckling material from Saturns F ring.


Daytime Hathor
** The objects that Hathor housed/suckled could be seen during the day but most likely not the band. Shown as housing the red sun.


(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/clip_image033.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks2/)
Egyptian Hathor Goddess daytime image


** The God King Scenario website | Hathor - Earth's celestial ring of debris (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks2/)


** Comet Venus book (http://www.gks.uk.com/) written by Gary Gilligan


Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 06, 2010, 14:24:28
Could someone answer me this. Is the beetle found in the picture of the sycamore fig tree in the previous posting, the sacred beetle. If so, is this saying that the sycamore fig tree occurred at the time of this sacred beetle, which is when Mars, Earth and the Sun aligned ?  Thus Hathor, which was a section of the sky, had lightning passing through it during this alignment. If this is what is depicted then what is the suckling all about ?  

The sycamore fig tree was likely seen in the south from Egypt, being an upward extension of the equator. I see a similarity between the V at the base of the tree, and the jaw of Hathor on the left. Now maybe a band or ring of material was closer to Earth's equator than the other rings of Hathor. The ionosphere at present has such a division. This band might have been low to the horizon viewed from Egypt. The V comes from the perspective of depicting this band extending across the whole sky from East to West. Thus the point of the V is looking directly south whilst the ends of the V are east and west. Then the sucking pharaoh is in the east, and hence he would be Mars with material appearing to come from or to Mars.

The ears of the cow of Hathor in the left picture would then be east and west. So the sycamore fig tree depicts the alignment of Mars, Earth and the Sun, and the lightning that occurred at that time.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 07, 2010, 03:01:38
I would recommend reading through this link.
http://www.asarimhotep.com/documentdownloads/Reinterpretations_of_the_ANKH_symbol.pdf
Kevin
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on February 07, 2010, 18:19:44

Mo, yes it is the Khepri beetle. It forms the throne name of Tuthmosis - Men-Kheper-Re which means “lasting is the manifestation of Re.” I associate Tuthmosis as one of the many guises of the Moon (Tuthmosis = “born of Thoth”) and as the Moon/Tuthmosis also many times appeared red like the Sun, the Egyptians gave it the very apt “manifestation of Re” title. Tutankhamun/Mars would have a similar ‘appearing like the Sun’ name i.e. Neb-Khepru-Re meaning “the lordly manifestation of the sun.” Many other kings were understandably given similar titles. 

Names and titles are very important as they in effect reveal the attributes, actions and sometimes the location of the astral god kings. For example, if the king is show worshiping the god Re-Horakhty (“Horus in the horizon”), then the king most probably appeared "in" the horizon, hence the veneration. 

The three main ‘warrior’ kings Mars, Mercury and the Moon would many times invoke the Khepri beetle as they danced with earth. Especially the Moon as it fell under the electromagnetic and gravitational spell of earth. As a result, Khepri was strongly associated with rebirth, renewal, and resurrection. Scarab amulets were placed over the heart of the deceased during the mummification ritual. Interestingly, to my knowledge, none of the queens (Venus) names contain the Khepri beetle. This reveals that Queen Venus, as recorded in history, mainly appeared in the background as the beautiful and passive ‘great wife’ to the warrior kings. Venus never came close enough to manifest the beetle, or so it would seem.       
You could be right in regards to the sycamore tree; however as an illusion to Hathor I would place it somewhere along the fixed celestial equator, which could include slightly south of Egypt. Who knows exactly what was seen.

I understand what you are saying with the V but it may just be they needed to draw an arm to steady the breast.
The suckling is the Moon ‘sucking’ material from earth’s rings similar to Saturn’s moon Prometheus sucking ‘milk’ from its F ring. http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA06143_modest.jpg Numerous bodies (doubles of Egyptians) were seen ‘sucking’ material (milk) from Hathor (earth's ring(s) hence the images of Hathor as a celestial cow in the very act of suckling the astral egyptians. 

http://www.gks.uk.com/images/clip_image029.jpg

I don’t see electricity in this particular scene although it is possible; the main theme of the scene is one of suckling. I mention this because I can show where discharges between planetary kings and earth (or at the very least lightning out into space) are clearly pictorially represented. I am referring to sprites and jets. Tombs and temple walls are literally plastered with images of such phenomena. In an attempt to bring a few EUers around to seriously considering my work I’m in the process of writing a small essay (loads of images) on this very subject.

Kev, I have taken a look at your links, interesting, you could be right. I will investigate further.

Gary Gilligan

http://gks.uk.com/

Title: Tutankhamuns Pectoral of Kheper Scarab, Hathor and the "Dendra Light"?
Post by: electrobleme on February 07, 2010, 18:52:02
(written during "The Aten" reply)

Could someone answer me this. Is the beetle found in the picture of the sycamore fig tree in the previous posting, the sacred beetle. If so, is this saying that the sycamore fig tree occurred at the time of this sacred beetle, which is when Mars, Earth and the Sun aligned ?  Thus Hathor, which was a section of the sky, had lightning passing through it during this alignment. If this is what is depicted then what is the suckling all about ?  

The sycamore fig tree was likely seen in the south from Egypt, being an upward extension of the equator. I see a similarity between the V at the base of the tree, and the jaw of Hathor on the left. Now maybe a band or ring of material was closer to Earth's equator than the other rings of Hathor. The ionosphere at present has such a division. This band might have been low to the horizon viewed from Egypt. The V comes from the perspective of depicting this band extending across the whole sky from East to West. Thus the point of the V is looking directly south whilst the ends of the V are east and west. Then the sucking pharaoh is in the east, and hence he would be Mars with material appearing to come from or to Mars.

The ears of the cow of Hathor in the left picture would then be east and west. So the sycamore fig tree depicts the alignment of Mars, Earth and the Sun, and the lightning that occurred at that time.
Mo


not sure about "Hathor - house of the king" image, as that was from another chapter but seemed to fit what GG was saying.
also i dont fully get the V being that way up, i can imagine it the other way ^ , can you explain it again in a slightly different manner. i see what you are saying about a similar shape of the V in the tree and Hathors chin.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Pectoral-with-Solar-Lunar-Emblems-Tutankhamun-Exhibit.jpg)
Pectoral hieroglyphic sign shen, eye of Horus etc (Tutankhamuns)  | touregypt.net (http://touregypt.net/museum/tutl41.htm)

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In both talons it grasps the hieroglyphic sign shen and in one an open lily, in the other a lotus flower and buds. Bordering this motif on each side is a cobra with the sun's disk on its head and a long tail extending upwards to form an outer frame for the tops of the falcon wings. A band of blue and red disks stretches from one cobra to the other beneath the winged scarab.
Pectoral with Solar and Lunar Emblems | touregypt.net (http://touregypt.net/museum/tutl41.htm)

scarab of chalcedony to reflect the planets not the sun or the colour of the object in thethe Hathor ring? lots of connections or pathways of planets?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/pectoral-of-kheper-sacred-scarab-tutankhamun-exhibit-egyptian.jpg)
Tutankhamuns Pectoral of Kheper Scarab | touregypt.net (http://touregypt.net/museum/tutl37.htm)

Turquoise colour and also bands below the sacred scarab when they did not need to have those bands?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Shamash-holding-shen-Mesopotamian-seal-Egyptian-carved-shen-symbol.jpg)
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Left Image: Shamash holding a shen; Mesopotamian seal. Right Image: Egyptian carved shen symbol
A Saturnian Cosmology - Jno Cook Part 9: The Career of Jupiter (http://saturniancosmology.org/jup.php)

Mesopotamian shen and hieroglyphic sign shen with bands and the globe in the middle


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Human-headed-Winged-Cobra-Tutankhamun-Exhibit.jpg)
Human-headed Winged Cobra touregypt.net (http://touregypt.net/museum/tutl38.htm)

and now i am looking at all Egytpian images in a different way

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Temple-of-Dendra-Egypt-light-lamp-carving.jpg)
Temple of Dendera in Egypt - ancient light/lamp or a band of dust in the sky with Electric Universe events?

I use to wonder if this was an electric light, then found the EU and thought it may have something to do with plasma discharges and planets. Any thoughts on how this fit into the Comet Venus / Hathor / House of the Kings idea?
Title: The sycamore fig tree (Hathor) as a Tree of Life?
Post by: electrobleme on February 07, 2010, 19:32:30
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egyptian-maltese-sycamore-fig-tree-hathor.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1009)
Maltese Tree of Life - similar to Egyptian suckling Sycamore fig tree?


(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/solar-disk-ashur-tree-of-life-seal-thumbb.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1012)
"Solar Disk (Ashur) and the Tree of Life seal - Assyrians" This is the title i had given it before.I now notice the lines coming from/to the winged object (making the mountain shape?) and that they end in a symbol similar to the Omega sign, the Tree of Life trunk has banded lines and you have the Godbags (Gods handbags)...


(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/treeoflife-palaceofkingsargonII-dur-sharrukin-assyrian-iraq-thumbb.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1014)
"tree of life photographed in the palace of king sargonII at dur-sharrukin - assyrian / iraq"

just a thought about the images of the sycamore fig tree (Hathor) as a Tree of Life...

images of Trees of Life from article The Tree of Life, Chi Rho and the Squatter Man - Malta | everythingiselectric.com (http://www.everythingiselectric.com/malta/tree-of-life-squatter-man-chi-rho.html#sacredtreesoflife-highenergyplasmadischarge)


Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 07, 2010, 19:42:34
I perhaps need to clarify to aten My comprehension of the serpent symbols?
I am a dowser( and regard the Egyptians as masters of such)
I detect a lattice matrix that creates in local isolation polygon shapes that radiate out from a finite point.
They are created by never ending lines( sheets with no top or bottom or ends)
But in isolation polygons, and these polygons all overlap each other and have STUFF (plasma) circulating each polygon around the finite point.
Each adjoining polygon has opposite spin circulations to its neighbours.
Flowing along each line are variable strength flows that are all symbiotically responding to the positions of all heavenly mass, they rise and fall relative to the resistance imparted along the carrier lines as mass crosses them thus causing rise and fall in flow strengths( harmonic resonance)

If your an odd ball like myself that can follow these flows along their strongest flow routes( think how rivers and their streams feed into each other, but think in reverse where the plasma disipates out to every blade of grass)
then as You follow these flows they circulate in opposite direction each polygon they encounter and thus lead to snake pattern pathways for the sensitive to follow.

I also find flows on top of each other going in opposite direction, and only coming together at certain points.
The thing is it gives Me a unique glimpse of the meanings of what is left in symbol forms, and especially how the serpents can be manipulated, and the consequences of all of this.
kevin
Title: Re: The sycamore fig tree (Hathor) as a Tree of Life?
Post by: kevin on February 07, 2010, 20:01:41
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egyptian-maltese-sycamore-fig-tree-hathor.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1009)
Maltese Tree of Life - similar to Egyptian suckling Sycamore fig tree?


(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/solar-disk-ashur-tree-of-life-seal-thumbb.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1012)
"Solar Disk (Ashur) and the Tree of Life seal - Assyrians" This is the title i had given it before.I now notice the lines coming from/to the winged object (making the mountain shape?) and that they end in a symbol similar to the Omega sign, the Tree of Life trunk has banded lines and you have the Godbags (Gods handbags)...


(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/treeoflife-palaceofkingsargonII-dur-sharrukin-assyrian-iraq-thumbb.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1014)
"tree of life photographed in the palace of king sargonII at dur-sharrukin - assyrian / iraq"

just a thought about the images of the sycamore fig tree (Hathor) as a Tree of Life...

The central axis( tree trunk) vertical, with a cross feature( east/west and north/south), basically gives a universal schematic of creation imho.
The east/west been the flow of time, with time been an actual flow.
These orientations are not compass, but are relative to the local orientations of the field positions about a sphere that is created by the actions of a flowing time stream.
The flows are in duality that gives chirality( opposite wing designs)
The wings symbolise the field patterns, they are not wings as such.
The tree best visualises this having a vertical stem with opposite spin field patterns above and below ground( I check this , and can SEE the patterns both above and below ground)
Every bud on a tree attracts it's opposite spin charges, thus creation occurs as the two spins adjoin and create whatever geometric resonance they are copying.
kevin





Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 07, 2010, 20:17:47
To even better explain what I am on about, and to better comprehend the symbols left by the egyptians, think of how colours or patterns change relative to how many fine weaves are wound together.
This is best seen in Maypole dancing, which demonstrates creation imho.
the pattern weaved on the pole depends on the colour bands and widthjs of them and the routine that the dancers employ to twine onto the pole in spiral decreasing manner, and with opposite flows of circulations.
If you change the colours( resonance) or the width of the bands of material( flow strengths)
and alter the dance patterns( celestial planets positions)
then the overall colours and patterns achieved will vary symbiotically with whatever alterations are made.
All of that is occuring to each and every planet and stars in isolation , and they all impart this into a cosmic dance routine.
Kevin
Title: seperating the firmaments/waters - bible verses
Post by: electrobleme on February 07, 2010, 23:38:58

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6 and·he-is-saying Elohim he-shall-become atmosphere in·midst-of the·waters and·he-shall-become separating between waters to·waters
7 and·he-is-making Elohim » the·atmosphere and·he-is-separating between the·waters which from·under to·the·atmosphere and·between the·waters which from·on to·the·atmosphere and·he-is-becoming so
8 and·he-is-calling Elohim to·the·atmosphere heavens and·he-is-becoming orb evening
Genesis chapter 1 verses 6-8(Hebrew Interlinear Bible) (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/gen1.pdf)


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And God said: let there be a firmament between the waters, and let it divide the waters asunder. Then God made the firmament and parted the waters which were under the firmament, from the waters that were above the firmament: And it was so. And God called the firmament heaven. And so of the evening and morning was made the second day.
The First Book of Moses called Genesis | Chapter 1 verses 6-8 | Tyndale's Old Testament

wondering what peoples thoughts are on this in relation to things already discussed?

** quotes from the DIScussion on the Electric Universe Bible (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg778#msg778) - Genesis 1 (v 6-8) : the second day - seperating the waters/firmaments
Title: space dust - in the solar system and sun dust jets
Post by: electrobleme on February 08, 2010, 00:16:07


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Another observation was that the amount of dust blowing in to the Solar System had increased substantially over the last few years, more than triple what it once was early in 1997. The Solar System is constantly bombarded by dust particles, but because the Sun's magnetic field is so strong, most of it is deflected around a zone shaped like an elongated bubble that extends outward well beyond the orbit of Pluto.

However, the Sun goes through a cycle of electromagnetic fluctuation that lasts 22 years, so the force field is most likely reduced during times of low solar activity, allowing more charged particles to pass through. In fact, there are times when the Sun seems to funnel ionized interstellar dust along a localized region of increased electric current flow at the poles.
 Tales of Brave Ulysses (TPOD)| thunderbolts.info/tpod (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100204ulysses.htm)

Title: the lattice, tree of life and the Hebrew Sefiroth
Post by: electrobleme on February 08, 2010, 00:41:47
I perhaps need to clarify to aten My comprehension of the serpent symbols?
I am a dowser( and regard the Egyptians as masters of such)
I detect a lattice matrix that creates in local isolation polygon shapes that radiate out from a finite point.
They are created by never ending lines( sheets with no top or bottom or ends)
But in isolation polygons, and these polygons all overlap each other and have STUFF (plasma) circulating each polygon around the finite point.
Each adjoining polygon has opposite spin circulations to its neighbours.
Flowing along each line are variable strength flows that are all symbiotically responding to the positions of all heavenly mass, they rise and fall relative to the resistance imparted along the carrier lines as mass crosses them thus causing rise and fall in flow strengths( harmonic resonance)

If your an odd ball like myself that can follow these flows along their strongest flow routes( think how rivers and their streams feed into each other, but think in reverse where the plasma disipates out to every blade of grass)
then as You follow these flows they circulate in opposite direction each polygon they encounter and thus lead to snake pattern pathways for the sensitive to follow.

I also find flows on top of each other going in opposite direction, and only coming together at certain points.
The thing is it gives Me a unique glimpse of the meanings of what is left in symbol forms, and especially how the serpents can be manipulated, and the consequences of all of this.
kevin

kevin do you have any images, especially egyptian, that may show some of the patterns or ideas you are referring to? Do these more complicated tree of life carvings display an idea of what you are saying and discover?

Could they be showing filimentary natuure of electromagnetic fields in dust clouds/bands in our sky?

Does the Hebrew Sefiroth show the similar patterns or related to the tree of life?

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/carving-images-assyrians-treeoflife-godbags-thumb.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1013)
Assyrian Tree of Life (Axis Mundi)

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/palaceofnimrud-britishmuseum-treeoflife-babylonians-assyrians-thum.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1015)
babylonians/assyrians tree of life

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/tree-of-life-worldnaval-axismundi-babylonianassyrianancient-thumbb.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1011)
Tree of life images of ancient assyrians / babylonians Tree of Llife (World Axis, Maypole, Axis Mundi)

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com//images/signsandwonders/hebrew-sefiroth-tree-of-life-symbol-kabbalah-thum.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1017)
Hebrew Sefiroth (tree of life) symbol and Kabbalah


images from The growth of the sacred Trees of Life (The Tree of Life, Chi Rho and the Squatter Man - Malta) | everythingiselectric.com (http://www.everythingiselectric.com/malta/tree-of-life-squatter-man-chi-rho.html#sacredtreesoflife-highenergyplasmadischarge)
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on February 08, 2010, 01:21:02

Mo, yes it is the Khepri beetle. It forms the throne name of Tuthmosis - Men-Kheper-Re which means “lasting is the manifestation of Re.” I associate Tuthmosis as one of the many guises of the Moon (Tuthmosis = “born of Thoth”) and as the Moon/Tuthmosis also many times appeared red like the Sun, the Egyptians gave it the very apt “manifestation of Re” title. Tutankhamun/Mars would have a similar ‘appearing like the Sun’ name i.e. Neb-Khepru-Re meaning “the lordly manifestation of the sun.” Many other kings were understandably given similar titles.  

Gary Gilligan
http://gks.uk.com/

Hello Gary, not read the rest of your book yet (or your first one yet!) so just a question about this part of your reply. The  “manifestation of Re” could it mean it was born from the sun, similar to the ideas of planets coming from Saturn due to electrical stress? There is also the idea that perhaps Saturn was our old Sun, so they could have come from the Sun?
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 08, 2010, 03:06:24
electrobleme,
                        The tree of life, the flower of life, the kabbalah are all one.
I find them simplified, evened out and too symmetrical.
The patterns I detect are all based on fibonacci sequencing, where the angles and measure are all to that sequencing, not equal, there are thirteen phases of the moon , not twelve.
All the maths, the numbers , the frequencies have been evened out, to veil.
that veil is to stop the sequencing been seen.
http://www.dodecahedron.us/note.html
Theres a good audio link on that one describing fibonacci.
http://www.halexandria.org/dward097.htm
http://www.crystalinks.com/kabala.html

This youtube series of clips is about time and what this reality is about, which is all is one sea of energy, time doesn't exist as We percieve it, nothing does, We are veiled from this comprehension, we are the serpents, we are the flows, we are all life, all planets, bizzare is not the word?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkWOuaf-gac&feature=related
Kevin
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on February 08, 2010, 21:11:35
Hi Mat,

From the beginning of recorded history 5,000 years ago Jupiter, Saturn and the earth lay pretty much on the same orbits as they do today. This will become apparent as you progress through the book and get to the chapters where I identify the gods Ptah and Sokar as Jupiter and Saturn respectively. These two gods played no physical part in close hand events (apart from conjunction); they were predominantly gods of the afterlife; they acted more or less as ‘stepping stones’ to the duel land above, Upper Egypt. Especially Ptah/Jupiter, who was seen many times as a large blue orb (hence, Ptah’s blue skull cap) amidst a wall of dust and debris (“Ptah-south-of-his-wall”). The origin of the debris was Jupiter’s GRS which continued to churn out countless tons of material several millennia after giving birth to Venus. Sokar/Saturn the more enigmatic of the two gods because it was obscured behind Jupiter’s debris, sometimes called a ‘metal plate’ by the AE’s.  I believe Jupiter and Saturn ‘flared up’ (electrical exchange?) when in conjunction, this leading to the composite god Ptah-Sokar (scholars are baffled by this whole composite thing). 

Now, did encounters between Saturn and Jupiter lead to the birth of Venus 5,000 years ago? Do the inner planets owe their origins to a fission process involving the outer planets, or perhaps the electric Sun? You would think so. Even though I’ve adopted Ackerman’s impact on Jupiter as a starting point, I am pretty much open here. I trust the likes of David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill to present a plausible model before anything convention can throw up. 

In answer to your question.

“The “manifestation of Re” could it mean it was born from the sun?”

No, because no sooner than we have the birth of civilisation we are presented with the main perpetrators of chaos, the warring Mars and Queen Venus (the Moon a surviving droplet from Jupiter). So, if literally ‘offspring from the sun’ then this was certainly not observed or recorded by the ancients.  Besides, if I am correct in my proposition that we all originate from Mars, this means Mars was around for millions of years before recorded history on earth and the subsequent chaos. In other words, Mars couldn’t have been observed by ancient cultures birthed from the Sun or the outer planets because they came after the event.

Venus from the Sun and witnessed? I don’t believe so because it was the impending chaos that forced our ancestors from Mars to colonise earth and with the clock set back to the Stone Age this ‘memory’ was lost within a few generations who were more obsessed with survival through the ensuing DA which probably lasted many hundreds of years. Added to this, the GRS provides a fabulous birth mark for the genesis of Venus.
   
The only planetary birth witnessed was that of Mars’ solid iron core extracted to become the planet Mercury as originally proposed by physicist and catastrophist J. Ackerman.  As I have proposed, this almost incomprehensible event was responsible for the whole Amarna Period, a time when Akhenaten/Mars apparently renamed the sun the Aten. This is a poor understanding of ancient minds. The whole 17 year (earth/mars synodic cycle) is a time honoured recording of this new ‘dazzling sun disk of all lands.’ Mercury rapidly cooled down (17 years) and joined the royal bloodline of god kings. 

Summary: the close and personal relationship between planetary kings and queens with the sun is quite simply a natural colour and shape association. In that, the planets appeared many times as red orbs similar in size and colour to the red sun. This is why they Egyptians considered them as ‘lordly manifestations’ of Re. The god kings appeared (from Earth POV) to move back and forth to earth in a cycle of death and rebirth. Re, on the other hand was the perennial father to all.

Regards

Gary
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on February 09, 2010, 00:04:08

cheers for the reply Gary and especially your time spent on it. thought provoking stuff as always

looking forward to the rest of the book :)
Title: Comet Venus - Isis
Post by: electrobleme on February 09, 2010, 01:03:25

Comet Venus - Isis

** Isis = the Suns ecliptic dust/debris band across Earths sky in an East/West direction
** Isis very similar to Hathor as bands in the heavens. Son of Isis, Son of Hathor. Isis imagery constant and colours white, gold and blue. Isis titles included Lady of the New Year, Lady of the Great House, Lady of the House of Fire
** Pharaohs temples art of the Gods possible map of the planets 4000 years ago
** Isis main origin of kings and kas
** Isis became dominate over Hathor as the Moon removed Earths dust/debris band

Title: Comet Venus - Osiris
Post by: electrobleme on February 09, 2010, 01:40:25

Comet Venus - Osiris

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The god Osiris was basically a star attribute. He was embodied in the protective whiteness that surrounded planetary bodies as they moved away from the Earth. He was the white star-like haze that shouded the kings as they traversed between the two lands
Comet Venus book written by Gary Gilligan (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks6/)

** Osiris = eye glyph = "single eyed' star (people who have made the journey to the Upper Land).  Osiris alias = Asar = 'many eyed', the stars in the night sky.Osiris also associated with the 4 layered Djed.


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When depicted in human form Osiris always wore the white crown of Upper Egypt and never the red or double-crown (shmty)
Comet Venus book written by Gary Gilligan (http://www.gks.uk.com/buy/)

** Osiris not a specific planetary body/object God but covers the night sky
Title: Re: Comet Venus - Osiris
Post by: electrobleme on February 09, 2010, 03:17:31
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/djed-egyptian-pharaohs-gods-statue-sign-symbol.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/djed-pillar-tet-religous-symbol-meaning-layers-egypt-ancient.jpg)
Djed Pillar (tet) Egyptian symbols

Gary says that the Djed represents the 4 corners of the land or the four cosmic pillars holding up the land above. they mostly appear horizontal in the images i have found of them, i wonder if they could also represent the dust/debris bands in the sky? You have the thicker bands at the top and then below the buttom layer there are very thin layers/bands/lines, almost like a thread. similar to Hathors Hairdo?

This article on "Raising the Djed (http://www.world-mysteries.com/alignments/sar_djed.htm)" looks at the Djed pillar from a practical/mechanical point of view and nothing much to do with the EU but has ideas on how a variation of the Djed helped them build the Pyramids.


While looking for images of the Djed Pillar i came across this Egyptian scene of a Djed Pillar and what looks to be the Comet Venus on the top of it - as shown/described in the "Comet Venus Book" by gary gilligan.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Raising-the-Djed-ceremony-relief-abydos-egypts-ancient-pharaohs.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/djed-pillar-tet-relief-temple-abydos-egyptian-comet-venus.jpg)
"Raising the Djed" scene or the Comet Venus and the Earthly/Sun dust/debris bands? photograph from Abydos



(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egyptian-kings-pharoahs-pharaohs-isis-hathor-djed-raising-religous.jpg)
Djed Pillar and clearer view of the orb with the double tails (Comet Venus?) at the top of the Djed

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egyptian-kings-pharoahs-pharaohs-isis-hathor-djed-raising-religous-closeup-comet-venus.jpg)
close up of the same image showing a round object and tail, similar to the crowns of the female queens of Egypt?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/comet-venus-egyptian-symbols-Abu-Simbel-nefertiti-gods-goddess-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/comet-venus-egyptian-symbols-Abu-Simbel-nefertiti-gods-goddess.jpg)
comet venus, nefertiti,  photograph from Abu Simbel, Egypt - larger image click here (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/comet-venus-egyptian-symbols-Abu-Simbel-nefertiti-gods-goddess.jpg)



Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 09, 2010, 09:36:08
also i dont fully get the V being that way up, i can imagine it the other way ^ , can you explain it again in a slightly different manner.  electrobleme

Imagine a high pile of parallel boards many meters in length in front of you. There is spacing between the boards. Now the boards above your head appear curved like a dome, and the board at the level of your eyes would appear straight across, whereas the boards at the level of your feet would appear like an inverted dome. It seems to me that the eyes and ears of Hathor could be part of a band of dust that appears to travel straight across the sky. Then the jaw of Hathor would be a band near to the horizon.

I am very busy just now, and those Egyptian images need a lot of consideration. Perhaps we can get little bits of this puzzle, like the beetle means that there was a Sun - Earth - Planet or Moon alignment. That Dendra image that looks like an ancient lamp is being held, on the right, by the Djed column, and on the left by a human with a ball on their head, which are something in the sky, surely. And what is the eye of Horus ? Dave Talbott does an excellent eye of Horus explanation, I think, but this seems to be from a different era, so I don't know.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 09, 2010, 13:29:13
Maybe Osiris was the magnetosphere of Venus. Then dust and water would have been held by the double layer around Venus.

While looking for images of the Djed Pillar i came across this Egyptian scene of a Djed Pillar and what looks to be the Comet Venus on the top of it - as shown/described in the "Comet Venus Book" by gary gilligan.  electrobleme  

It is interesting that the Djed pillar is at an angle in both the Dendra image and the image out of Gary's book above. Also the white dress and the red sash of the woman on the left becomes the red dress with a white sash of the Djed column.

Let's have a punt. If that is Venus on top of the Djed column then the column would represent a Birkeland current from the Sun going through the magnetosphere of Venus. Thus the rings around the column would be voltage step-down regions or possibly dust rings around Venus being lit up by the current. Now if Venus was only a few weeks from conjunction this column would appear to rise some time in the morning and appear at an angle to the horizon. It would then appear to rise up into the sky and straighten up with respect to the horizon. Now because the conjunction, Sun - Venus - Earth, would be a perilous time on Earth the rise of the Djed would be carefully noted so as to calculate the conjunction. This would be a good time to head underground for a day or two.

I'll admit that this is wild, however this conjunction, and the movement of Earth through the tail of the comet Venus, must have been incredibly significant to all on Earth. Cold, warm or hot ??  Warm.
Mo
Title: Djed Pillar and Mo's Sun/Venus/Earth alignment Pillar
Post by: electrobleme on February 09, 2010, 20:47:55
hot Mo! after making the post and thinking more about it i wondered if i was looking at the Djed Pillar bands with the wrong EYEs. could the thick band lines not be the most important thing but the regions between them? the Djed Pillar seems to be constant amount of lines/areas or perhaps "lands"? then i read Mo's post and bingo bango bongo he took it from dark mode to glow mode :)

Mo, your ideas sound good to me and certainly fit with what we suspect can/does happen EUology and in gary's book

perhaps there are other images/legends/gods that can show what happened in relation to what you have suggested? not just egyptian but from other ancient cultures. i wonder if the plagues/disasters that struck egypt may have any clues. it would be good to confirm who/what is happening in the image, what the heiroglyphics also say.

the inverting of the colours for the skirt then the base of the tower is interesting, showing the Djed Pillar / Birkeland current combining or coming out of Isis... some sort of enlargement/discharge/"mountain" at the bottom...? not sure what it could be but lots of options.

the "raising of the Djed" image seems to be part of a number of scenes but i can not  find enough images (yet) to see fully what is on either side. it would be very good if i could find one that showed the other images or the complete scene.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/pharaohs-deities-deity-djedpillar-tet-maypole-axismundi-treeoflife-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/pharaohs-deities-deity-djedpillar-tet-maypole-axismundi-treeoflife.jpg)
the Egyptian Djed Pillar before/after/during the alignment?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/multicoloured-djed-coffin-top-colored-pillar-tet-axismundi-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/multicoloured-djed-coffin-top-colored-pillar-tet-axismundi.jpg)
multi-colours of the Djed Pillar


i tried to find original images/carvings of the Djed Pillar and its colours but not many about that i could say were from the temples. I am wondering about if the colours mean anything, were only the lower bands coloured and not the top "lands"/areas between the thick bands? did multi-coloured Djed Pillars come after this or a special alignment or event in the sky (linked to the birth/death of a God King)? Where coloured Djeds always about. could we use them to place in order certain scenes/pharaohs / god kings etc...




While looking for images of the Djed Pillar i came across this Egyptian scene of a Djed Pillar and what looks to be the Comet Venus on the top of it - as shown/described in the "Comet Venus Book" by gary gilligan.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Raising-the-Djed-ceremony-relief-abydos-egypts-ancient-pharaohs.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/djed-pillar-tet-relief-temple-abydos-egyptian-comet-venus.jpg)
"Raising the Djed" scene or the Comet Venus and the Earthly/Sun dust/debris bands? photograph from Abydos

just a note that i didnt get across clearly what i meant to say, the images are not from Comet Venus book or webpage (that i can find), i meant to say that the image on top of the Djed looked like what Gary says is Comet Venus. Other images from his book/website are similar to this but i dont think he has shown this particular one. I may find it though in a later chapter.
it just seemed to fit in with what he says and general EUology ideas about the Axis Mundi / columns / birkleand currents / alignments.

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on February 09, 2010, 22:04:52
Raising the Djed

Picture this; dust in the atmosphere giving rise to a thick hazy band on (around) the horizon. Cobra shaped CME’s lashing out into space are granted further visibility as a result, this leading to the belief Re really was physically commencing battle with the demons of the underworld (flat earth). The same scenario as the sun rose in the dust bound eastern horizon, Re was observed kicking and screaming to slowly rise victorious and once again illuminate the two lands of Upper and Lower Egypt (heaven and earth).   

Sitting on top of this band of debris encircling all horizons was the sky, or as perceived by the Egyptians the firmament of heaven. This required physical struts or posts to support it or so they believed. This is where I believe the Djed pillar comes in to play. Four posts were naturally required to hold up the heavens, sitting on the four corners of the earth. Similar pillars to the ones that once supported the roof at Karnak below.

(http://www.world-mysteries.com/alignments/djed_h16.jpg)
 
The four posts (Djed) would stop the sky ‘falling in’ as probably occurred many times during times of intense turmoil. But how do you pictorially represent the ‘strength and stability’ of the four struts that held up the cosmos? Carve, draw, paint and incorporate into the art four struts every time? This was too time consuming and impractical especially when designing small Djed amulets to assist the deceased in their journey above. The AE’s simply, and I would say naturally, incorporated 4 into 1. One strut or post with four horizontal cross beams to symbolise the four posts. The Djed symbolising the four posts that held up the heavens.   

This division between heaven and earth had to be maintained and keep clear for a passage to the world above - enter the pharaoh.

The king in ancient Egypt was everything – access to the gods was through the king – The king was responsible for divine order in the cosmos (ma’at) - without the king it was believed the whole universe would fall into chaos – the pharaoh was Egypt. The king was shown holding up the heavens as in the image below. This makes perfect sense in regards to the GKS; planetary kings were by their very location intermediates between the mortal and the divine, god among gods.     
 
(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Taharqa%20holding%20up%20the%20heavens.jpg)

It was the appearance of the planetary pharaoh from earth’s perspective (always) that seemingly maintained the division between Upper and Lower Egypt (still a conduit though). In other words, the god king, as with most things Egypt, many times was perceived as raising and maintaining the four pillars (Djed pillar) that held up the inverse. This embodied in the numerous ‘raising of the Djed’ scenes. As with the sacred Scarab, the divine aspect of the Djed was incorporated into small amulets that were also placed with the deceased.  The Djed is considered by some as the backbone of Osiris. This makes sense as Osiris was the god of the land above held up by the four posts. Some Djed pillars are shown with protruding hands holding the crook and flail, as too were the kings and Osiris. 

I understand this doesn’t explain all, especially the images above where comet Venus is place atop the Djed. That said, let me offer my interpretation. Bear with me!

The scene is to be dated to around the 7-8th century BC shortly after the birth of Mercury from Mars. This epoch reaches us via the Aten and Amarna Period. A time when the energy from the Aten/Mercury blotted out the stars, the afterlife and the land above for 17 years (as recorded in history!). Shortly after this almost incomprehensible event the Aten/Mercury cooled enough to appear as a red disk. Mercury now joins the royal bloodline of divine god kings and one of the first names given to Mercury was Seti – “he of the god Seth.” A very apt descriptive title as Mercury caused mayhem above and below but despite this Seth title, ‘evil’ still had to be venerated in the hope of appeasement.     

As far as I can make out the pharaoh in Mat’s images is Seti. Here Seti/mercury is raising the Djed -  raising the four posts of heaven as the divine land above (& stars) comes back into view having previously being blotted out by the Aten/Mercury. He is literally restoring the skies after a tumultuous time. Further, Seti/ Mercury seems to be offering the Djed to the goddess Isis. I associate Isis with the foreground haze of the ecliptic, so this would make sense in that, Seti/Mercury is restoring the four struts for the sky goddess Isis.   

The ‘comet’ image atop the Djed could have a couple of meanings. It could be Comet Venus but I don’t see any ‘cow horns’ or any mention of any queens. So I’m guessing this could be Seti/mercury raising the heavens also in comet form, if you see what I mean. As the solid iron core of Mars, Mercury must have adorned a similar visible magnetotail to that of Venus. And, if the images are anything to go by Seti mercury, in raising the sky, also appeared as a golden orb with a plumed golden tail. Perhaps he appeared gold on the horizon, the rough location of one of the four pillars. 

Taking all of the above into account, I’m not dismissing Mo’s ideas because it quite possible said ‘roof pillars’ were physically observed and caused by close proximity bodies generating Birkeland currents which looked like struts holding up the sky, in fact I like this idea. I’m all for taking images at face value. Further research is required here. 

Mo, Osiris and mummification in brief.

Pharaonic Mars moves close to earth, it appears as a living breathing red orb – a living god. It reigns for a period of time (paralleling the historic account) and then slowly moves away. As it does so, it slowly transforms into a large white star (as today). It becomes wrapped in white linen bandages as white streams of dust are observed spinning from Mars (analogy, spiral galaxy). Mars is now undergoing the mummification process, Mars is slowly becoming in the image of Osiris. The whiteness that envelopes planetary bodies and stars is Osiris, hence Osiris’ association with the ‘many eyed’ stars (transposed Egyptians) dwelling in the land above. This is why after death all pharaohs were called Rameses Osiris, Tutankhamun Osiris, Seti Osiris etc.  Assisting Osiris in wrapping Pharaonic Mars is the blackness of Space, this personified in the black Jackal headed god Anubis (Black Jackals don’t exist).  Anubis was the embalmer and guardian of the dead because Jackals were seen to hang around cemeteries - seemingly looking after the deceased, although in actuality they were after the rotting flesh.

Gary
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 10, 2010, 00:20:13
Could I just again mention the hands, and the gender been shown.
Our fields interact via the hands, We can manipulate locally about ourselves via the hands.
The gender imho is male/female and is in relationship to anode and cathode, the serpents been so oppositively charged as such.
Balance was their message, and they strove to locally maintain balance whatever out of balance confronted them, the pyramids and abydos were machines to achieve this local balance, the visual consequences will have been colourfull.
kevin
Title: The Atens reply - the 4 Pillars
Post by: electrobleme on February 10, 2010, 04:46:50
this is about The Atens reply to the Djed Pillars and what he says about the 4 Pillars of the Earth. what i noticed in the photograph gary put in his reply was that there appeared to be 4 Pharaohs whose arms are supporting the "Upper Land" or top of the image band. i dont know if the carvings went on further and there were more of them? i decided to have a quick look for "4 pillars" whatever they may be and found Abu Simbel, the great temple of Ramses II (Ozymandias, Ramesses the Great), that has a few series of 4 statues.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-David-Roberts-Egypt-Nubia-issued-between-1845-1849-print-sand-old-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-David-Roberts-Egypt-Nubia-issued-between-1845-1849-print-sand-old.jpg)
Abu Simbel - old print/painting of the original Ramesses II temple location in Egypt


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-passageway-pharaohs-David-Roberts-Egyptian-painting-old-original-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-passageway-pharaohs-David-Roberts-Egyptian-painting-old-original.jpg)
Abu Simbel Rameses the great temple and solar observatory - original painting of inner passageway by David Roberts


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Gods-of-the-Osiris-Pillars-Abu-Simbel-Egyptian-statues-photographs-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Gods-of-the-Osiris-Pillars-Abu-Simbel-Egyptian-statues-photographs.jpg)
Abu Simbel temple and inside passageway with 4 statues on each side - you can understand where the idea that these show astronauts comes from!

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-Temple-of-Ramses-II-second-photographs-interior-8-statues-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-Temple-of-Ramses-II-second-photographs-interior-8-statues.jpg)
Abu Simbel Ozymandias temple and the same inside passageway with 4 statues on each side

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/The-Holy-of-Holies-Abu-Simbel-temple-egypts-kings-pharaohs-egyptians-statues-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/The-Holy-of-Holies-Abu-Simbel-temple-egypts-kings-pharaohs-egyptians-statues.jpg)
Abu Simbel temple and/or solar observatory - (meant to be Ptah, Amun-Ra, the deified godking Ramses II and Re-Horakhte) where the sun shines on these every 22 February and 22 October


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-Egypt-layout-map-drawing-temple-diagram.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Abu-Simbel-Egypt-layout-map-drawing-temple-diagram-legend-text.jpg)
Abu Simbel temple layout diagram/map (click here for text legend explaining areas)


another map/sitemap of Ramses II Abu Simbel temple (http://www.aldokkan.com/art/abusimbel.htm) with more text detail and direction of alignment (north)


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Touring Abu Simbel

Four gigantic statues of Pharaoh Ramesses sit at the front of the Abu Simbel. This is the mesmerizing sight that greets your eyes as you approach the temple. You will feel both dwarfed and amazed by its sheer size. One of the statues in the middle has however been destroyed from the head to the waist by a past earthquake. At the feet of these gigantic statues are much smaller statues, probably of members of the then royal family.

When you tour the Abu Simbel, you will most likely be in the company of travel guides who will awe you with stories of the rise and fall of ancient kingdoms, and of gods who could spit fire and turn day into night.
Touring Abu Simbel | ezinearticles.com (http://ezinearticles.com/?Explore-the-Treasures-of-Egypt---Discover-the-Ancient-Temples-at-Abu-Simbel&id=2742485)

Title: controlling the field through ourselves and buildings
Post by: electrobleme on February 10, 2010, 05:22:05
Could I just again mention the hands, and the gender been shown.
Our fields interact via the hands, We can manipulate locally about ourselves via the hands.
The gender imho is male/female and is in relationship to anode and cathode, the serpents been so oppositively charged as such.
Balance was their message, and they strove to locally maintain balance whatever out of balance confronted them, the pyramids and abydos were machines to achieve this local balance, the visual consequences will have been colourfull.
kevin

in an Electric Universe the fields interacting and being manipulated (controlled/directed/amplified etc) has to be important. what you say about the buildings i feel should have some truth in it, they were not for burials so what were they for? to control the power, affect, maintain the local balance (to keep the areas stable or produce water themselves...) etc?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/pyramids-giza-kings-queens-chamber-inside-interior-map-diagram-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/pyramids-giza-kings-queens-chamber-inside-interior-map-diagram.jpg)
pyramids at giza diagram showing interior and the kings and queens chamber


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/kings-chamber-giza-pyramids-cheops-diagream-illustration.jpg)
diagram/illustration of the kings chamber giza pyramids

to my EU EYEs it looks like a circuit/device of some kind, especially the "Kings chamber" wiith its roof structure and coffer. The site Building the Great Pyramid - The Great Pyramid of Khufu (Cheops) (http://www.cheops-pyramide.ch/khufu-pyramid/cheops-great-pyramid.html) has a lot more architectural details on it.

Then of course you have Chris Dunns site gizapower.com (http://www.gizapower.com/Blast.htm) and his investigation of it as a power house, from the Kings Chamber to the Grand Gallery (Helmholtz resonators).

what do you think they would have actually done to produce the results and what would be the results?


Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 10, 2010, 05:47:02
The Djed is considered by some as the backbone of Osiris.   Gary

If Osiris was the region around Venus, the magnetosphere, and the Djed was a Birkeland current through this magnetosphere, then this column could certainly be described as the backbone of Osiris appearing through the middle of this region in the sky.

Taking all of the above into account, I’m not dismissing Mo’s ideas because it quite possible said ‘roof pillars’ were physically observed and caused by close proximity bodies generating Birkeland currents which looked like struts holding up the sky, in fact I like this idea. I’m all for taking images at face value. Further research is required here.  Gary

In my theory the oceans were carved out by Birkeland currents, which could have appeared as column-like, not that I expect any humans were around at such times. However, during conjunctions such Birkeland currents could have reformed, and as plasma formations find stability in the fourfold manifestation, it might have appeared that there were four columns in the sky at such times of conjunction. Also at such times there would be great worries that the sky was falling, and the columns were holding it up.

That explanation of how mumification came about seems spot on to me. And it was Mercury instead of Venus  -  well that's fine. And Osiris being the whiteness that envelops planets - sure.

Now if you are covering the period until 5,000 years ago, then that would be after the break-up of the Saturn System, if it existed, and after the ice ages, which in my theory also came after this break-up. If some Egyptian stuff is attributed to the Saturn System, then this is either wrong or else artifacts exist from a previous civilisation, mixed in with the later things. So this all fits in beautifully with my theory in that I see little conflict. When I get time I'll redo my theory and post it on this forum.
Mo
Title: More on the Djed
Post by: The Aten on February 10, 2010, 17:25:32
More on the Djed.

Excerpts from http://www.pyramidofman.com/Djed/

“Most of the Djeds found in later tombs have been flat objects, usually no thicker than a quarter of its width, these flat representations of the Djed probably being derived from the hieroglyphic renditions.  But in these two ivory Djeds from the First Dynasty pictured below, we see that the Djed was originally more of a round pillar than a flat object.  Being such old pieces, they give us valuable insight into the original design and therefore the original function of the Djed before it became a flat icon.”

“The ancient Egyptians divided the sky into two parts in very early times, with the Eastern end resting on the 'Mountain of Sunrise' and the Western end on the 'Mountain of Sunset'.  Later a division into four parts was made and the four corners of heaven were protected by four gods.”

"O Re-Atum, this King comes to you, an Imperishable Spirit, Lord of the affairs of the place of the Four Pillars"

“The mention of the place of the 'Four Pillars' is a reference to Heaven, which the Ancient Egyptians believed to rest on these four pillars.  The columns supporting the roofs of temples were often shaped like papyrus stems, hence the hieroglyphic writing of the word "pillar".

“Another way of depicting 'Four Pillars' would be to put one behind the other with each sticking up a bit above the one in front so that it can be seen.”

(http://www.pyramidofman.com/Djed/papdjed.gif)

(http://www.pyramidofman.com/Djed/IV%2071.gif)

“In some mythological accounts, the sky was divided into four parts and supported by the staffs of four gods. According to Brown, the staffs may also represent pillars, which, in a method to describe four pillars, one behind the other in typical ancient Egyptian artistic style, might create an image that looks remarkably like the Djed symbol. Indeed, Ptah is often depicted holding the djed symbol as a staff, and lending further support to this theory are the bands found below the crossbars of some djet pillars that correspond to the papyrus and other columns in ancient temples, which symbolically held together the papyrus stalks. “

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/djedpillar.htm

Gary Gilligan
Title: ancient images/petroglyphs of Pillars, plasma discharges and/or Djeds?
Post by: electrobleme on February 10, 2010, 21:09:07

other cultures might have had similar ideas as the Egyptians about heaven/earth and the pillars - it would be good to see what they said about them and why

if the pillars/Djed were inspired by a Birkeland Current / Plasma Discharge then others would have recorded them as petroglyphs. perhaps some of the Pillars/Djeds are the 4 corners of the Earth and perhaps some could be inspired by the events witnessed in the skies at different times as that God King visited or left earth? could there have been 4 immense birkleland pillars that started it?

Also can anyone explain why 4 corners of the earth? i have always wondered about it and it seems a good time to ask. i dont really understand the idea of a flat earth as it would appear that it is rounded wherever you look or walk a long distance. But that might be because i know its a globe. why would they choose it to be a square or oblong?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/pillars-birkeland-currents-djed-egyptian-petroglyphs-scandinavia-indian-composite-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/pillars-birkeland-currents-djed-egyptian-petroglyphs-scandinavia-indian-composite-large.jpg)
petroglyphs (rock art) from scandinavia and america - Egyptian Pharaoh images from Book of the Dead (The Dead Coming Forth Into Day) and from carvings in temples/tombs

do the images shown above sort of match up (top one to the bottom one)? especially the one on the right showing a comet planet with its twin tail? even if they are not similar and its just me do they show variations on a theme or different events?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/plasma-toroids-peratt-instabilities-petroglyphs-ladder-djed-pillar.jpg)
plasma discharges, z-pinches, toroids and toroidal stacks, petroglyphs from Europe and America

the above plasma discharge toroid images are taken from  Anthony L Peratt's great paper Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current, Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity (large pdf) (http://www.theplasmaverse.com/pdfs/Characteristics-for-the-Occurrence-of-a-HighCurrent-ZPinch-Aurora-as-Recorded-in-Antiquity-squatter-squatting-man-Anthony-Peratt.pdf)

does this show how the lines of the Djed could have been inspired by a plasma disharge and the toroids?

is it a mixture of everything? the belief of pillars holding up the sky, from a previous catastrophe encounter with a God King and when the Pillars disappeared the sky collapsed on them? so they then draw the 4 pillars and over the years it changes as the eye witnesses die and there are only carvings or oral traditions that can not match what was seen and might change over the years? then the next God King appears and it would be different this time and each time...


Title: plasma discharges / squatter man - triangle base and column shape
Post by: electrobleme on February 10, 2010, 21:58:39
Maybe Osiris was the magnetosphere of Venus. Then dust and water would have been held by the double layer around Venus.

While looking for images of the Djed Pillar i came across this Egyptian scene of a Djed Pillar and what looks to be the Comet Venus on the top of it - as shown/described in the "Comet Venus Book" by gary gilligan.  electrobleme  

It is interesting that the Djed pillar is at an angle in both the Dendra image and the image out of Gary's book above. Also the white dress and the red sash of the woman on the left becomes the red dress with a white sash of the Djed column.

Let's have a punt. If that is Venus on top of the Djed column then the column would represent a Birkeland current from the Sun going through the magnetosphere of Venus. Thus the rings around the column would be voltage step-down regions or possibly dust rings around Venus being lit up by the current. Now if Venus was only a few weeks from conjunction this column would appear to rise some time in the morning and appear at an angle to the horizon. It would then appear to rise up into the sky and straighten up with respect to the horizon. Now because the conjunction, Sun - Venus - Earth, would be a perilous time on Earth the rise of the Djed would be carefully noted so as to calculate the conjunction. This would be a good time to head underground for a day or two.

I'll admit that this is wild, however this conjunction, and the movement of Earth through the tail of the comet Venus, must have been incredibly significant to all on Earth. Cold, warm or hot ??  Warm.
Mo

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/squatter-squatting-man-plasma-discharge-progression-instabilities-evolution.jpg)
the progression/evolution of plasma discharge instabilities shown as the squatter (squatting) man in petroglyphs? or are these multiple plasma discharges / squatting men as the pillars holding up the earth and the heavens?
do the squatter man legs at the bottom show the triangle at the base of the Djed shown further down the page?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/stick-man-squatter-squatting-arrowheads-petroglyphs-cave-man-drawings-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/stick-man-squatter-squatting-arrowheads-petroglyphs-cave-man-drawings.jpg)
different phases of plasma discharges and instabilities as petroglyphs


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egyptian-kings-pharoahs-pharaohs-isis-hathor-djed-raising-religous.jpg)
does the Djed Pillar on the right especially show the ^ or triangle at the bottom of the plasma discharges (squatter man)? is the right image showing the birkeland current/discharge combined together? is the sash/belt the birkeland current or twisting/interlocking snake like a coil with the dress now become larger as the visibile sheath? the discharge making the colours change?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/ancient-rock-carvings-tree-of-life-birkeland-currents-plasma-discharge.jpg)
does this series of petroglyphs show a squatter lady/man, further great detail of an birkeland current as a plasma instability or the pillars holding up the heavens? note the triangle or base at the bottom and the traditional squatting man legs coming out of it
Title: the serpent/snake
Post by: electrobleme on February 10, 2010, 22:30:27
the serpent/snake worshipped and mentioned by the ancients, was it a plasma discharge seen in the skies, a twisting birkeland current, the visual evidence of the energised fields, the space lattice, the...


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Book-of-the-Dead-of-Heruben-Egyptian-Gods.jpg)
Book of the Dead of Heruben, Egyptian Gods and the serpent or plasma discharge / birkeland current? the 4 pillars holding up the heavens?

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/serpent-snake-petroglyphs-rock-art-rockets-axismundi.jpg)
the serpent / plasma discharge as a petroglyph (rock art) and how it progresses/forms into a plasma discharge column? Are these images of one of the earths Axis Mundi, the sky tower/mountain or was that something totally different? is the serpent a seperate discharge seen in the sky or coming from them?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Temple-of-Dendra-Egypt-light-lamp-carving.jpg)
"Dendera Light" in Egypt - showing the center of one of the pillars of heavens? the birkeland current of a plasma discharge? a plasma discharge in the electricfied band of dust/debris encircling the earth in the God King Scenario and Comet Venus ideas? the Djed (the 4 pillars) and also the God King equally or at the same time holding up the Heavens?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/helical-instabilities-plasma-columns-serpent-snake-image-anthony-peratt.jpg)
helical instabilites (plasma columns) from anthony peratt - do they show the serpent/snake seen in the skies by the ancient people ?
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 11, 2010, 16:04:20
That the Djed was a stack of toroids electrically produced, seems beautiful to me. If Venus was a comet then  finding such a stack of toroids in the Venusian magnetospere looks OK. Now as Venus came into conjunction this stack of toroids might change character dramatically as a greatly increased current formed. A likely candidate for the new configuration would be the stable fourfold configuration. So I am happy with the four pillars being this pattern. Also Venus would be in line with the Sun at this time, so one would expect the Sun to feature along with the four pillars, although the brightness of the interplanetary discharge might hide the Sun.

The assumption that the petroglyphs were drawn at the same time period as the Egyptian civilisation needs consideration. I think they came from a much earlier period, even before the ice ages. The time of the collapse of the previous civilisation, and the survivors in the mountains etching what they saw in the skies. These etchings show the plasma configurations of the stick man and the stacked toroids. But they would not be the same as what the Egyptians saw, in my view.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on February 12, 2010, 04:11:40
The assumption that the petroglyphs were drawn at the same time period as the Egyptian civilisation needs consideration. I think they came from a much earlier period, even before the ice ages. The time of the collapse of the previous civilisation, and the survivors in the mountains etching what they saw in the skies. These etchings show the plasma configurations of the stick man and the stacked toroids. But they would not be the same as what the Egyptians saw, in my view.
Mo

yep Mo, it seems lots of catastrophes have struck the earth, so each time will be different or the people will see/leave different records. the various images posted seem to back up bits of the EU ideas on ancient plasma discharges/catastrophes and also what people say about the 4 pillars of heaven.

how we work out what/when is another matter and i dont think will ever be conclusively proved but as long as we consider all logical options with a continually open mind then we have to move forward together, slowly but surely. we are also  less likely to miss a piece of evidence, logic or idea that could be vital.

it would be good to eventually get peoples opinions or build up timelines of what/when.

i have actually ordered a couple of books by Rens Van der Sluijs (The Mythology of the World Axis and The World Axis as an Atmospheric Phenomenon) hoping it might help me to start to date or put in order some of these events/images. of course if Rens and Peratt cant or have not dated/ordered the petroglyphs then i have no chance!

Also, its a long shot, but i emailed Rens today asking if he might have a look at what has been said about the Djed/plasma/pillars and the images to see if he can also impart his words of wisdom on the subject matter of the 4 heavenly pillars. worth a shot at goal i thought :) more ideas and knowledge cant hurt unless he disagrees with everything i say then i will just delete his posts and ban him from the forum - mainstream science style ;)

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 12, 2010, 04:29:21
IMHO,
The four pillars will be the solstices and equinox times.
Kevin
Title: Re: ancient images/petroglyphs of Pillars, plasma discharges and/or Djeds?
Post by: The Aten on February 12, 2010, 20:48:32


Also can anyone explain why 4 corners of the earth? i have always wondered about it and it seems a good time to ask. i dont really understand the idea of a flat earth as it would appear that it is rounded wherever you look or walk a long distance. But that might be because i know its a globe. why would they choose it to be a square or oblong?

I think perhaps the earth was believed to be round and flat and then we have the natural four cardinal points, or ‘four quarters’ as supported by the following. 

“Various cultures have had conceptions of a flat Earth, including ancient Babylon, Ancient Egypt, pre-Classical Greece and pre-17th century China. This view contrasts with the realization first recorded around the 4th century BC by natural philosophers of Classical Greece that the Earth is spherical” (wiki)

“The ancient Egyptians imagined the world to be a far different place from what we now know it to be. They believed the earth was a flat platter of clay afloat on a vast sea of water from which the Nile River sprung” http://www.carnegiemnh.org/exhibitions/egypt/guide.htm

Inscriptions.

“The subjugator of the adversary, rich in years, great in victories, who reacheth the ends of the earth when seeking for battle, who maketh narrow the wide mouth of foreign princes.”

“The good god, the strong one, whom men praise, the lord, in whom men make their boast; who protecteth his soldiers, who maketh his boundaries on earth as he will, like Re when he shineth over the circle of the world, he, the king of Upper and Lower Egypt (Erman 1927, 258-9).”

The phrase "circle of the world" indicates that the Egyptians viewed the earth as a disk which the sun-god shines over on its daily journey. There is another similar phrase in The War Against the Peoples of the Sea which comes from Ramses III’ temple of Medinet Habu at Thebes which says, "They laid their hands upon the lands as far as the circuit of the earth" (ANET 1969, 262).

The flat earth belief is supported by a Babylonian clay tablet dated to around 700 BC (?). This shows a map of the world as a flat disk surrounded by a world ocean.

(http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/babylonian_map.jpg)

“It depicts a "bird's-eye" view of the world and shows a flat, round world with the city of Babylon in the centre i.e., the "hub" of the world.” http://members.westnet.com.au/Gary-David-Thompson/page11-11.html. The flat earth belief persisting despite the Babylonians being well versed in astronomy.

Why four corners?

We have the natural division of the cardinal points and four would be the natural number of posts required to hold up the heavens.
Many Mesopotamian god kings adopted the title “King of the four corners of the universe” (i.e. Naram-Sin, who I associate with the Moon). A very apt title given the Moon traversed the four corners of the earth in a much shorter cycle than the Sun.

The Royal inscription of king Tukulti-Ninurta says:

“Tukulti-Ninurta, king of the universe, king of Assyria, strong king, king of the four quarters, chosen of Ashur, vice-regent of Ashur, the king whose deeds are pleasing to the gods of heaven (and) underworld and to whom they allotted the four corners of the earth, (the king whom) they allowed to always exercise rule in the (four) quarters and who conquered all those who did not submit to him (Grayson 1972, 1:105).”

The phrase "king of the four quarters" according to Grayson (1972, 1:4) is "the Sumero-Akkadian expression for 'king of the world'." Grayson goes on to say, "The four 'quarters' or 'coasts' are approximately identical with the cardinal points of the compass and are the extremities of the world (which was believed to be a disc) projecting out into the primeval sea (which was believed to surround the world disc)."

The phrase "four corners of the earth" which in Akkadian is kap-pat tu-bu-qa-at erbitti, can literally be translated "the circle of the four corners" (Grayson 1972, 105; CAD K, 397-400). This is a clear reference to the earth being circular. It seems strange that a circle would also have corners, but they meant the extremities in the four cardinal directions. http://www.bibleandscience.com/bible/books/genesis/genesis1_circleearth.htm

GG: The key to understanding ancient cultures here is to strip yourself of any preconceived ideas, walk outside and look as the world through childlike eyes (with my childlike brain I’m good at this  ;)). This reveals a flat earth with heaven appearing as a hammered-out bowl or hemispherical dome canopying earth. The earth appears fixed and unmoving; we have no sense of the earth turning, it is the sun and the heavens that revolve around the flat earth.

We also have to take into account that the AE’s (as all) were a primitive and somewhat barbaric race as evidenced by the fact that they strangulated and burned cats and ibises, they decapitated crocodiles, burnt fish, nailed falcons to poles, etc. and, to top this, they kept slaves (source; Animal Mummies, Discovery Channel). 

Sure in later times some clever Greeks (approx. 3rd century BC) worked out the earth was round but the majority of people couldn’t even begin to comprehend this - their common sense notion wouldn't allow it. 
   
Gary Gilligan


Title: the 4 corners of the Earth and a summary of the possible Djed scenarios
Post by: electrobleme on February 14, 2010, 17:47:57

cheers and thanks gary, great post/reply about the 4 corners.  as you say we have to remember what the ancients knew or didnt know. some civilisations may have been more intune with the natural powers of the universe than us today but they may not have known what we know today.

i think this is a really important point that i have to keep reminding myself, its not to veiw things standing in our world, looking about saying how could it have happened, its to remember and imagine what their world was like and what were they like. this is why i think having certain base scenarios will help. if there is an event and you can instantly think what would have happened (and the conditions) in a saturnian configuration, God King scenario, Velikovsky it will help me to get instantly into the ancients mind frame, experience and world environment

here below is a real basic summary/points of what i think has been suggested or implied with recent discussiona about the Djed Pillars. please let me know if you agree or disagree and what you think it should say. also what names to call them etc

Djed - God King Scenario
Djed are the 4 Pillars/columns holding up the world, represented by the Ancient Egyptians as the Djed Pillar with the lines at the top showing 4 in one

Djed - Venus
Djed was a Plasma Discharge toroid stack involving Venus when it was in an alignment or Planetary Discharge event

Djed - lattice
The four pillars are the solstices and equinox times

Djed - Birkelands
The Djed or 4 pillars were Plasma Discharges or Birkeland Currents. one (with toroids) or multiple "pillars", also likely to have been witnessed a number of times in our skies
Title: polygons/powergons and the spiral (DNA/Birkeland Current)
Post by: electrobleme on February 14, 2010, 19:35:39

I perhaps need to clarify to aten My comprehension of the serpent symbols?
I am a dowser( and regard the Egyptians as masters of such)
I detect a lattice matrix that creates in local isolation polygon shapes that radiate out from a finite point.
They are created by never ending lines( sheets with no top or bottom or ends)
But in isolation polygons, and these polygons all overlap each other and have STUFF (plasma) circulating each polygon around the finite point.
Each adjoining polygon has opposite spin circulations to its neighbours.
Flowing along each line are variable strength flows that are all symbiotically responding to the positions of all heavenly mass, they rise and fall relative to the resistance imparted along the carrier lines as mass crosses them thus causing rise and fall in flow strengths( harmonic resonance)

If your an odd ball like myself that can follow these flows along their strongest flow routes( think how rivers and their streams feed into each other, but think in reverse where the plasma disipates out to every blade of grass)
then as You follow these flows they circulate in opposite direction each polygon they encounter and thus lead to snake pattern pathways for the sensitive to follow.

I also find flows on top of each other going in opposite direction, and only coming together at certain points.
The thing is it gives Me a unique glimpse of the meanings of what is left in symbol forms, and especially how the serpents can be manipulated, and the consequences of all of this.
kevin


i had always thought the dna structure was a perfect double helix shape, it looked like the image on the left shown below. it seems though that it or variations of it are not so geometrically perfect. it might just literally be a point of view thing, depending on what angle you look at it from. but the difference between a "perfect spiral" shape and what it may be is very important.

when looking into kevins posts and ideas (not just the one quoted above but about shapes/fields/lattice) and what he says about polygons i discovered the dna images. i agree with kevin about the polygon, or the powergons as i think of them, as an energy thing. i have seen a lot of things in nature seem to revert or form the powergon shape. From drying mud, the Waffle Rock and the Giants Causeway (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=78.0), even the surface of the living Pitch Lake (http://www.geulogy.com/pitch_lake_asphaltlake_la_brea_trinidad_tobago_natural_tar_bitumen.html) in Trinidad forms polygons/powergons.

gEUlogy also seems to also fit into this. The very puzzling JohnPeel (Krystal Rock) (http://www.geulogy.com/introdis-johnpeel-surfside.html) feature on Sliema seafront in Malta is perhaps a gEUlogy powergon, it is not fully circular and the quartz around its edges has formed some straight lines (that page will be updated one day to show this and other stuff). Also a Birth of Rock area (http://www.geulogy.com/introdis-bor-icke-stalagmites-nocavepopcorn-deathcoral.html), where you can find the outdoor stalagmites, would seem to be another powergon. I even once saw a documentary where octopuses would dig a polygon shape in the sandy sea floor bed. was it to use the natural power you might be able to get from a powergon?

i am not sure if these images show what i mean or have seen, maybe i should have chosen some other images but anyway they will do for now.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/dna-double-helix-diagrams-structures-images.jpg)
dna structure - double helix - "birkeland currents"?

why do we get the spiral shape? what is it exactly that forms the spiral shape and makes nature want to create/form it?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/dna-structure-strands-plasma-discharge-birkeland-current.jpg)
dna strand/strucure or cell/body "birkeland currents"?

are either edges of the dna strand parts of the powergons, if you have each strand with its own powergon and multiple layers of the lattice/field would they form the spiral?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/plasma-discharges-dna-strands-birkeland-currents-anthony-peratt.jpg)
high energy plasma discharges - anthony peratt

these are experimental higher energy plasma discharges as shown before. they appear to show not a perfect spiral but very similar to the dna structure


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/the-double-helix-nebula-birkeland-current-combo.jpg)
Double Helix Nebula (Birkeland or DNA nebula?)

The image above shows the Double Helix Nebula or could it be known as the Birkeland Nebula (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=138.msg429#msg429) or DNA Nebula?



Title: natural polygon/powergon shape in nature - Krystal Rock, Sliema
Post by: electrobleme on February 14, 2010, 19:59:17



(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/tower-road-beachfront-holiday-resort-sliema-malta-seaside.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1034) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/malta-sliema-seafront-towerroad-krystal-crystal-rock.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1031)
JohnPeel or Krystal Rock on the beachfront, Tower Road, Sliema, Malta. Photo on left shows a photograph taken from the Surfside Restaurant and how this strange for geology feature stands out on the beachfront. The photo on the right shows the distinct massive quartz line that defines this outside part. notice how straight it runs then curves.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/polygon-shapes-nature-natural-geology-malta.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=1032) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/tower-road-sliema-beach-front-sandstone-rocky-quartz.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=193)
the outside of JohnPeel showing its polygon/powergon nature? where energy/material was pinched inside or concentrated around and that is why it has formed this shape?


for the article and more information about JohnPeel Rock on Sliema beach click here (http://www.geulogy.com/introdis-johnpeel-surfside.html)

for further photographs on JohnPeel Rock beside Tower Road Sliema clickhere (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=album&id=69)
Title: the Djed, 4 Pillars and the Axis Mundi
Post by: electrobleme on February 15, 2010, 04:23:37
Rens van der Sluijs (http://www.mythopedia.info/index.html) was kind enough to reply about the Djed we have been discussing. This is what he said

"All I can say is that the single Djed pillar as well as the theme of the four sky pillars are acknowledged manifestations of the axis mundi and are likely to have been ultimately derived from visible near-earth plasmas. Whether those plasmas had anything to do with cometary activity I don't know - too early to be certain, methinks." Rens van der Sluijs
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 15, 2010, 05:16:01
I love the word polygon.
Look to the steps around multiple so called crosses in villages all over England, I will try and find a picture of one with george slaying the dragon on top of such a polygon spot(Earthing the flows?)
the polygons are created by straight lines, endless such lines , but where they cross other in geometric brilliance they form polygons around a central point, they always radiate out from that central point in increments of 13 inch enlargements( as do fairy rings)
The straight lines are SMOOTHED out by the plasma flowing around the polygons, but the really high, like really high frequecies are the straight lines( phase conjugate optical lasers?)
I waded out at extra low tide to a similer feature in Penzance bay near St Michaels .
The castle up there is polygons and polygons, even the dairy building half way up is polygons, in days of old when knights were bold, polygons were recognised?
Kevin
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on February 15, 2010, 05:28:15
I have been to this one several times, now where else is this George involved with, Oh Yes Malta.
And what does he do?He slays the dragon???????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moreton-in-Marsh_and_Batsford_War_Memorial
He Earths the dragon, whatever this site is now , it is positioned precisely, very precisely , and the lines are exactly as the steps mirror, and I know very ancient ones, very ancient indeed, sometimes the predominate geometry is a squre, but frequently polygons.
Kevin
Title: Horned Moon and Horned Moses
Post by: electrobleme on February 16, 2010, 02:54:43

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/gods-fire-moses-thum.jpg)
Moses shown with horns (frequent in old images of Moses)

In God's Fire - Moses and the management of Exodus(full pdf of the book) (http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/gf_docs/gf_1.pdf) by Alfred de Grazia he has an image of Moses with horns. I read the book a few years ago and can not remember what he says about it! When i get time i will try to find that part.
It might be nothing to do with what we have been discussing but i just thought i would mention it.


Also in the post LANDMARKS OF WORLD HISTORY: A Chronology of Remarkable Natural Phenomena (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=235.0) there is mention of the moon and horns

1668 November - Boston, Mass - Lunar event? 'Star' in body of Moon between horns
Title: Bohemia event in 1570 and Hathor from Papyrus of Ani
Post by: electrobleme on February 16, 2010, 03:38:36
(http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100212germanaurora.jpg) (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100215what.htm)
Depiction of an aurora formed of numerous pencil like rays above a cloud of ‘stars’, as seen on
12. January 1570 in Bohemia. Germanisches National museum, Nürnberg.


What on Earth …? (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100215what.htm) TPOD describes ancient beliefs and tales of the Earth/Heavens and where the Gods lived. I found it interesting to read after what has been discussed here. Finding myself with new knowledge and understanding.

I have to say that looking at the image above I did not think of an aurora but of an image from the book "Comet Venus".

A quote below from a website guide to auroras

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A spectacular aurora seen over middle Europe in 1570 brought forth the following admonition:
"Wherefore, dear Christians, take such terrible portents to heart and digilently pray to God, that He will soften His punishments and bring us back into His favor, so that we may await with calm the future of our souls and salvation. Amen."

The drawing below [above in this post/quote] was made of the same aurora, from what is now the west of the Czech Republic.

"A shocking prodigy which was seen from Kuttenberg in the kingdom of Bohemia and independently in other towns and places round about on the 12th of January, for four hours in the night. As it stood within the clouds of the sky in this year 1570."
Crawford Library, Royal Observatory, Edinburgh
Historical Aurora | spaceacademy.net.au (http://www.spaceacademy.net.au/env/terra/aurora/aurora.htm)

I wonder what sort of aurora could create that sort of response and fear?




(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Goddess-Hathor-papyrus plants-sprites-plamsa-discharge-Papyrus-of-Ani.jpg)
Goddess Hathor stalks through papyrus plants, from Papyrus of Ani. Or Sprites (upwards lightning) / plasma discharges?


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The image on page 83 is very revealing - it clearly shows Hathor 'housing' the red disk. The wavy lines arching up to form a mountain undoubtedly represent Earth's rings. Emerging from this cosmic mountain and papyrus plants is the 'lady of the western mountain', Hathor. She is shown as a cow wearing a plumed red disk between her horns to symbolise her role as 'housing the king'.

The papyrus plants represent another aspect of cosmic phenomenon only recently discovered - that of sprites. Taking on the appearance of a blue lotus, sprites ae a form of cosmic megalightning which appears to shoot some eighty kilometres out into space"
Comet Venus | On page 83

After looking at the top image from Bohemia I then did a search for this image to see what others said about. The gallery of Natural Phenomena (http://www.phenomena.org.uk/home.htm) site describes the events Bohemia in 1570 as

"1570 January 12 Bohemia - Aurora - Torches & pillars"

I know that the aurora can take on many shapes/patterns but i am wondering what others think about the image of the candles? Is this how they would have drawn the aurora to explain it to those who did not see it or for later generations? Could Bohemia show sprites or something else? What are the stars doing in the clouds? How high or where exactly are the candles meant to be? Does the dark cloud show colour or darkness?
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 16, 2010, 09:51:30
A large aurora in 1570 suggested lots of sunspots so I looked it up. There was a period of decreased sunspot activity called the Spörer Minimum (1420 to 1570).

If one looks at a graph of sunspots since 1600:
http://tiny.cc/usEcV
One can't help but wonder if the galactic current entering the Solar System varies and the Maunder Minimum is the result. Although I see that the planets have a significant effect on the sunspots, 11 year cycles of stellar activity have been found in many stars. Other long term variations in galactic current and thus Solar activity seem likely.

The great storm surge called the All Saints Flood occurred in 1570.
http://tiny.cc/YTzVT
"In Zeeland not a single island was spared by the All Saints flood..."

This is quite curious, especially because the Maunder Minimum starts in the 17th century and it appears that some event in 1570 may have kicked the Sun out of a very long minimum period (from 1420 to 1720), for seventy years or so. It is more likely to have just been galactic current variation, but it is worth noting.
Mo
Title: Comet Venus - Ptah (Jupiter) God of Craftsmen, Rebirth and Creation
Post by: electrobleme on February 17, 2010, 02:51:31

Comet Venus - Ptah (Jupiter) God of Craftsmen, Rebirth and Creation

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Ptah-mummified-scepter-staff-ankh-djed-was-symbols.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Ptah-egyptian-god-scepter-staff-ankh-djed-was-symbols-jupiter.jpg)
Ptah mummified and with the scepter/staff of combined Ankh, Djed and Was symbols

** Saturn and Jupiter not physcially involved with Earth, never Pharaohs (God Kings) but both Ptah (Jupiter) and Sokar (Saturn) residing in or near the ecliptic. Ptah mentioned as "Ptah South of his Wall, lord of the white wall" and "life of the two lands".

** Ptah creator of the metal plate that was the roof/floor of heaven and the struts supporting it (the 4 posts of the Djed Pillar)

** Jupiter (Ptah) temperature and hence its colour kept varying from white to blue. Colour and look = skull caps. Ptah shown as mommified like Osiris.

** Ptah = god of creation/rebirth and responsible for "Opening of the Mouth" ceremony where the dead body was "restarted" so the Ka could get to Upper Egypt, with Ptah the last stepping stone/planet to Upper Egypt

Gary Gilligan has a great image on page 108 of his book that shows the metal plate of heaven, would you be able to let me know where you got if from so i can show it? Thanks :)

Title: "Was Sceptre/Staff of Power" - Egyptian symbol of power
Post by: electrobleme on February 17, 2010, 04:43:24
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/was-sceptre-staff-power-symbol-egyptian-gods-pharaohs-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/was-sceptre-staff-power-symbol-egyptian-gods-pharaohs.jpg)
Was Sceptre or Was Staff - Egyptian symbol and staff of power

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The was sceptre was a long straight staff with two prongs at the bottom and a canine head at the top. It symbolised power or dominion and was associated with the gods as well as with the pharaoh. The earliest examples date to the First Dynasty. An ivory comb from the reign of Djet depicts two was sceptres supporting the outstretched wings of a falcon (representing the heavens). In a funerary context the was-sceptre was also an amulet which ensured the well-being of the deceased and so often appeared as a decoration on funerary equipment. The sceptre also formed the hieroglyph for the fourth nome of Upper Egypt, whose capital was Thebes (known as Waset by the ancient Egyptians).
Was sceptre | ancientegyptonline.co.uk (http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/royalemblems.html)

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Was ("power") scepters represent the typhonic or Set-animal (the mascot of the Egyptian god Set). Was scepters were depicted as being carried by gods, pharaohs, and priests, as a symbol of power, and in later use, as a symbol of control over the force of chaos that Set represented. Was scepters often occur in paintings, drawings, and carvings of gods, and remnants of real Was scepters have been found constructed of faience or wood, where the head and forked tail of the Set-animal are visible.

The Was is also the Egyptian hieroglyphic character that stands for a word meaning power.
Was sceptre | wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Was)

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/was-scepter-power-staff-ancient-egyptian-symbol-hieroglyphs.jpg)
Was Egyptian hieroglyph symbol and scepter/staff

Was the Was Sceptre/Staff of Power a plasma discharge event?




Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on February 17, 2010, 18:16:02
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Gary Gilligan has a great image on page 108 of his book that shows the metal plate of heaven, would you be able to let me know where you got if from so i can show it? Thanks

Matt,

Here is the image you requested

(http://www.maat-ka-ra.de/pictures/maat_ka_ra/stele_CG_34013.jpg)
Tuthmosis/Moon offering before the mummiform figure of Ptah/Jupiter. This suggests to me the Moon is in conjunction with Jupiter, probably appearing to pass on volatiles collected from Mars.

Numerous Stele show the vault of heaven or metal plate, but even if they don’t, the curve at the top is to be read as the dome of heaven. I believe the design of grave stones owe their origin to ancient stele (as do some Egyptologists).

More ‘metal plates’ of heaven.

(http://bp2.blogger.com/_wX0ryj-RWpw/SAUYhRH2tYI/AAAAAAAAAw4/CyzffQJ_w2g/s320/dreamstla.jpg)
Tuthmosis VI (Moon) offering to the god Horemakhet ("Horus in the horizon") in the form of a sphinx. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/ThutmoseIIIBeforeRe-Harakhte.png/450px-ThutmoseIIIBeforeRe-Harakhte.png)
Thutmose III (Moon) before the God Re-Harakhte this time in the form of a falcon with the ubiquitous red disk. 

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/NectaneboI-Stele.png)
Nectanebo I (Mercury?) offering to the goddess Neith.

(http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/stele9.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2081/2435365674_0e48c62fed.jpg)
Stela of Ramesses/Mars ("fashioned by Re") offering to the aurora/Amun.     

The accompanying text by the author speaks for itself http://www.flickr.com/photos/70323761@N00/2435365674/

“This stela commemorates King Ramesses II's presentation of statues to a temple of Amun-Re in Nubia. The arrangement of scenes and text symbolizes the ancient Egyptians' conception of their highly structured state. Heaven appears at the top, with the sacred world of the gods beneath it, followed by text linking the divine and human realms, and, at the bottom, the terrestrial home of the Egyptian populace.

The stela's curved upper margin represents the vault of heaven separating the ordered universe from chaos. Ma'at (universal order) governs everything below the arc, whether depicted in the pictures or mentioned in the texts. The upper register shows an event in the gods' domain: the presentation of symbols of kingship to Ramesses II by Amun-Re, the principal god of Egypt during the New Kingdom. The five lines of text beneath this scene stand between the worlds of gods and humans. Part of the text specifies the five names Ramesses II used as ruler, emphasizing his more-than-human qualities. The remainder recounts the king's many offerings to Egypt's temples. The lowest register shows four birds representing the Egyptian populace paying homage to the king.”

It should be noted when resurrecting Egypt’s numerous gods, for me 95% of all epithets, titles and images have to fit the physical identification. This is a must otherwise I rarely go to print. In my first book I was none too sure if Jupiter/Ptah and Saturn/Sokar were seen due to the dust and debris littering the ecliptic. Further research revealed they were seen and played a very important role in the afterlife of the Egyptians. This reveals they were pretty much where they are now, large ‘mummified’ stars in the night sky (Electrical phenomena and other stuff notwithstanding!)   

I'm baffled by scholars who know and accept that the Egyptians believed that after death they were reborn as a star in the kingdom of Osiris. With this crucial belief the Egyptians are revealing their next world, the dome shaped vault of heaven, this believed to be fixed land mass above. By adopting a childlike outlook we can actually see the duel world the Egyptians were so obsessed with - it explains so much. The transposed Egyptians are still with us, watching over us in the night sky... comforting :)

A phrase I often live by... sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.


Gary Gilligan
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on February 17, 2010, 19:09:53

cheers for posting those image and the explanations. for me it helps to visualise what you are saying and appears to provide evidence of the logic path of your investigations/ideas
Title: Comet Venus - Sokar (Saturn) God of rebirth and rejuvenation
Post by: electrobleme on February 17, 2010, 19:10:59
Comet Venus - Sokar (Saturn) God of rebirth and rejuvenation

** Sokar (Saturn) = god of rebirth/rejuvenation

**  Often shown as mummified man with falcons head, leading to Sokar-Osiris.  Also shown as rising from mound of earth/boat = moving out of the dust band/ecliptic

** Sokar was known as "brilliant one, both at thy rising and thy setting", "lord of the mysterious region", "great god with his two wings opened"
I have proposed in the book - interactions between Ptah/Jupiter and Sokar/Saturn making the recently discovered larger magneto ring far greater and more visible from earth (chaos permitting, hence Saturn/Sokar one of the more enigmatic gods).

** Saturns Rings (Sokar) = "wings" either side of the planet.

** Why was Sokars bargue shown so complex?

** Planetary conjunctions or alignments of Sokar/Ptah (Saturn/Jupiter) explains the combined gods Ptah-Sokar-Osiris


from Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks13/) book by Gary Gilligan

Title: Re: Comet Venus - Sokar (Saturn) God of rebirth and rejuvenation
Post by: electrobleme on February 17, 2010, 21:45:05
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Sokar-funeral-death-barque-barge-egyptian-god-4-pillars-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Sokar-funeral-death-barque-barge-egyptian-god-4-pillars.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Sokar-Barque-Ptolemaic-Temple-funeral-barge-art-carving-four-pillars-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Sokar-Barque-Ptolemaic-Temple-funeral-barge-art-carving-four-pillars.jpg)
Egyptian Sokar funeral barque/barge also showing the 4 pillars

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In ancient Egypt, Sokar is really one of the more complex Egyptian gods to understand. He is often equated with Osiris, or as the resurrected Osiris though his scope stretches well beyond that over time. Even his name is shrouded in scholarly controversy. One theory is that his name is derived from and based on the term sk r ("cleaning of the mouth") found in Coffin Text Spell 816 and a 12th dynasty papyrus. This term is used in the context of the Opening of the Mouth ceremony in which Sokar does play a part. Another theory is that the etymology of the god's name comes from one of the Pyramid Texts where Osiris said, as a cry of help to his wife and sister, "Sy k ri", or hurry to me.  

...Even though there has not been any archaeological evidence of a temple solely dedicated to Sokar, Memphis  remained the primary cult center of god and it was there, at least by the early Old Kingdom, that the great Sokar (or Choiak) took place each year during the fourth month of the spring akhet season.
Sokar, an Egyptian God of the Underworld | touregypt.net (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/sokar.htm)

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 18, 2010, 11:06:49
Seems to me that the image on the right in the above
"Egyptian Sokar funeral barque/barge also showing the 4 pillars"
contains a planet ( circle ) above a dome which has the 4 pillars underneath. The arc of the boat looks like a circle from the planet, and the 'boards' seem directed away from the planet. So the arc of the boat could be the double layer around the magnetosphere, and the dome and 4 pillars could be a Birkeland current flowing to the planet. The fourfold division is a stable plasma configuration.

I have trouble with the wings of Sokar being due to the rings around Saturn, unless the recently discovered larger ring was much more visible. You need a telescope to see the rings. The double layer around Saturn could be the source of the wings of Saturn. What we need are the numbers associated with each god. 12 years could be Jupiter, and Jupiter - Saturn conjunctions would be around 20 years or so. Thus Ptah-Sokar-Osiris should have some 20 year cycle.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on February 18, 2010, 14:52:13
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I have trouble with the wings of Sokar being due to the rings around Saturn, unless the recently discovered larger ring was much more visible.

I have proposed in the book - interactions between Ptah/Jupiter and Sokar/Saturn making the recently discovered larger magneto ring far greater and more visible from earth (chaos permitting, hence Saturn/Sokar one of the more enigmatic gods).   

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What we need are the numbers associated with each god. 12 years could be Jupiter, and Jupiter - Saturn conjunctions would be around 20 years or so. Thus Ptah-Sokar-Osiris should have some 20 year cycle.

Something I’m looking into, the problem is ancient chorology is out by over a thousand years in some places (as proposed by Gunnar Heinsohn et al)   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_Heinsohn

Actually, one could help the other inasmuch if we were to look back through astronomy software and take note of the possible conjunctions between Jupiter and Saturn during Pharaonic times and then compare this to the appearance of the composite god Ptah-Sokar, this may just give us a few synchronical points.  But we have to bear in mind, if interactions between the two did occur then this could obviously affect the outcome i.e. their annual orbits different to that of today, although I wouldn’t think by that much. Further research is required here.   

Gg   


Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on February 19, 2010, 07:35:14
If one or more of the other planets had 4 pillars associated with it, then possibly there were 4 Birkeland currents passing by the Earth. These pillars might have been brightest just as they went around Earth, so that with the Sun at noon, the 4 pillars, or the 4 Birkeland currents, would have been particularly visible near the horizon in 4 directions 90 degrees apart. Also conjunctions could have increased the electric current passing the Earth, making these pillars particularly visible.

Mo
Title: the 4 colourful directions of the earth
Post by: electrobleme on February 19, 2010, 23:21:26
i am gonna get splinters from this one, sitting on the fence. its like that black/white image of the old lady or pretty women. one moment i see one thing the next the other.

i can see both sides of the discussion, 4 birkeland currents or pillars holding up the heavens. still wonder why only 4 and not more if it was circular flat land? garys reply was really good about that but i guess i am guilty of being a bit biased and want/hope to see EU stuff in everything and the reason for everything. i guess its more fun to question the standard theories than accept they have to be right sometimes.

Although i think i read once that didnt they have 4 colours instead of north, south etc and that is why we have the red sea, black sea, white sea etc?

Perhaps the 4 pillars came from 4 birkeland currents many years before so that the 4 pillars were then the image, the original meaning either having been forgotten or lost?



Title: Comet Venus - The Battles of the Pharaohs
Post by: electrobleme on February 25, 2010, 21:37:21
The Battles of the Pharaohs

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Smiting3.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Narmer%20palette.jpg) (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/gallery/mythology/middle_east/judaic/baal.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Hittite-god-weather-lightning-thunderbolt-trident.jpg)
Pharaohs and ancient gods (Baal and Hittite god) arm raised ready to smite


** Egyptian pharaohs = astral Pharaohs whose role was to maintain order amongst the chaos happening in the skies and the solar system. Why did or would the egyptians fear such chaos when the land of egypt appears to be very stable?

** The forces of chaos were objects (foreign bodies) in the solar system (asteroids, wandering moons) that attacked the egyptians route (the ecliptic) to the Upper Land and eternal afterlife. On earth foreigners were cosidered enemies.

** Mars and Venus "cleaned" up the foriegn bodies, bringing order and a path to the Upper Land

** The God Kings (Pharaohs) shown defeating foreign enemies with same pose (arm raised up with mace/club) as other countries Gods (Baal /Adad). Battle of Kadesh quote

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I charged all countries, while i was alone, my infantry and my chariotry having forsaken me. Not one among them stood to turn about. I swear, as Re loves me, as my father, Atum, favours me. that, as for every matter which his majesty has stated, I did it in truth, in the presence of my infantry and my chariotry"
Comet Venus | The Battles of the Pharaohs (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)

** Pharaoh/Egyptian battles or warfare shown in hieroglyphics and temple images = astral warfare. Egyptians did have Earthly wars but not the ones shown by sacred writing/images on sacred buildings

for a lot more information on this topic visit the authors website and the article on The nonexistent battles of the Pharaohs
 (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)
Title: Re: The Battles of the Pharaohs
Post by: electrobleme on February 25, 2010, 23:43:15

there are some links when i had a quick look at this before "A CHALLENGE! "The Nonexistent Battles of the Pharoahs" (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg715#msg715)

there are images and accounts of the pharaohs charging by themselves into the enemy, even some egyptoligists wonder about this as a battle tactic!
Title: Velikovsky's Comet Venus (Thunderbolts Picture of The Day)
Post by: electrobleme on March 14, 2010, 17:54:55

Velikovsky's Comet Venus | TPOD

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Velikovsky's Comet Venus

(http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100311venusat.jpg) (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100312cometvenus.htm)(http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100311tut.gif) (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100312cometvenus.htm)
Left: Diagram and  Animation (http://a1862.g.akamai.net/7/1862/14448/v1/esa.download.akamai.com/13452/qt/Atmospheric_drag.mov) of the solar wind interacting with the atmosphere of Venus. Credit: ESA/C. Carreau.
Right: Close up of Ankhsunamun’s 'comet’ crown on the back ofTutankhamun’s throne.


Immanuel Velikovsky concluded from his extensive interdisciplinary research that the planet Venus was remembered from the time of the dawn of civilization as a brilliant cometary body.

While there is a wealth of literary sources to draw upon, when it comes to the pictorial evidence it isn’t as forthcoming. No images can be conclusively identified as actually representing Venus in cometary form, a situation that essentially shouldn’t exist. After all, it stands to reason that it was naked eye observations that primarily inspired the myths. So, at the very least the imagery should be equal to or analogous to the literary sources – but this clearly isn’t the case.

Have we overlooked something? Is it possible images of Comet Venus have been staring us in the face for decades?

The image on the right has been taken from the back of Tutankhamun’s throne. It depicts the wife of king Tut, Ankhsunamun. The queen is shown wearing a very distinctive crown consisting of a disk surmounted by cow horns and two tall plumes.

This unusual headdress made its appearance in the New Kingdom and features prominently in Egyptian art - numerous queens can be seen sporting this particular crown. Although the actual shape or outline remained constant (for approximately 900 years), there exist a few variants to the colours shown. For example, the disk was predominantly painted the traditional Egyptian deep red, the ‘horns’ normally black, while the plumes can be gold, a plain yellow, or blue and without the ‘filaments‘.

Like most Egyptian crowns encompassing a sphere, it somehow represents an aspect of the sun, or so the conventional way of thinking goes. This is a perplexing line of thought since the Sun is a golden glaring ball—it doesn’t have cow horns wrapped around it and most certainly exhibits no signs of enormous cometary tails.

It is apparent even to the uninitiated that what we are looking at here is a comet—a large comet with a plumed tail. Furthermore, if Egyptian art is used as a measure of time, this comet graced our skies for nearly a thousand years. It is carved, painted, and represented in statues the length and breadth the of Nile valley. Even the legendary Cleopatra wore this headdress.

Could this particular crown be a true-life physical representation of proto-Venus as it appeared in ancient times?

To quote Wal Thornhill:

'In the electrical model of the solar system, any body on a sufficiently eccentric orbit about the Sun will exhibit cometary features. For ancient people to have seen Venus as an Earth-threatening comet, Venus must have had an eccentric orbit that brought the planet near to Earth'.

Are we looking at Velikovsky’s comet Venus?

Comparing the comet crown with the Venus diagram on the left reveals some fundamental similarities, far too close to be deemed coincidental. In fact, for all intents and purposes they are virtually identical!

The orb represents the body of Venus: the horns signify the bow shock as the solar wind slams into the Venusian surface, enveloping its body due to a lack of an intrinsic magnetic field. The two large plumes represent Venus’ magnetotail—split in two and flowing downstream at least three times its diameter.

The image on the left is just a diagram, and today Venus’ comet tail can only be detected by magnetometers and charged particle detectors. However, place Venus on an eccentric orbit in a highly charged ‘dusty’ environment and the normally invisible magnetotail (and bow shock) would become highly visible.

Wal Thornhill commenting on Venus’ cometary magnetotail:

'A power surge in those filaments today would cause them to glow, and Venus would form a "stupendous" cometary apparition in the sky. The forensic evidence would stand up in court, showing that Venus was a comet within human memory'.

Science is slowly proving Velikovsky to be correct in a number of areas. Perhaps with the comet crown of ancient Egypt we now have the pictorial evidence to match.

Contributed by Gary Gilligan

http://gks.uk.com/

Velikovsky's Comet Venus | thunderbolts.info/tpod  (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100312cometvenus.htm)
Title: Comet Venus - was Egypt a warring nation?
Post by: electrobleme on March 23, 2010, 06:17:25

Comet Venus - was Egypt a warring nation?

summary of the unverified battles of pharaohs from "An ancient world in chaos"

**  no pharaoh ever lost a battle - because they were planetary warrior kings

** impossible logistics - keeping alive 20,000 warriors in deserts for months

** leading from the front - the pharoah was always at the front of the army and battle

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The King himself led the way of the army, might at its head, like a flame of fire, the King who wrought with his sword
Comet Venus | The Battles of the Pharaohs (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)

** without a scratch - the warrior kings including the mummified and studied bodies of Ramesses the Great (Mars) and Tuthmosis III (Moon) have no war wounds. Those planetary bodies do show signs of wars in the skies.

** what of the power vacuum? - the king stopped the cosmos falling into chaos. would he leave egypt for months?

** no controlling army - the pharaohs conquered lands yet egyptians never left a controlling army

** the afterlife - the be all and end all for egyptians who needed to be mummified and buried in egyptian soil to enter the afterlife. would they keep going abroad to fight these battles and risk no afterlife?

** no archaelogical evidence - this includes the Battle of Kadesh where battles were fought many times by different pharaohs.

the battles of the pharoahs seen in sacred texts and images were fought in the skies by the warrior kings, their planet double, that is why there is no evidence for them.


From the Comet Venus book and especially related to the authors website page on the Battles of the Pharaohs (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)
Title: Comet Venus - The Nonexistent Battles of the Pharoahs - Megiddo
Post by: electrobleme on March 23, 2010, 17:20:28


Comet Venus - The Nonexistent Battles of the Pharoahs - Megiddo

** Megiddo - hill in isreal, fought over for 3000 years, Tuthmosis III fought 18 battles here and other pharoahs did - no archaeological evidence or remians of battles. The Megiddo hill itself was not even fortified although Tuthmosis III laid siege to Megiddo for 7 months.

** where are the remains of the weapons, chariots, horses, bodies? Egyptians said to "recycle" ALL weapon bits and bodies or bodies dissolved in the limestone soil.

** where are the enemy dead? if egyptians then carried all their dead heroes home why are there no mass graves in these locations for the enemy?

Comet Venus book and the  nonexistent battles of the Pharaohs
 (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)
Title: The Egyptian Arc and its processsion on a boat?
Post by: electrobleme on March 23, 2010, 17:50:35

The Egyptian Arc and its processsion on a boat?

Copied from God's Fire (chapter 4 - The Ark in Action) (http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/gf_docs/gf_4.pdf) Alfred de Grazia mentions an Egyptian Arc and suggests it is datedto around the time of the planet Venus as a Comet.

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THE GOLDEN BOX

The Ark of the Covenant, so named because its hollow interior probably contained at first solely the stone tablets that Moses had brought down from Mt. Sinai with the words of Yahweh, measured probably between 45 X 27 X 27 and 63 X 38 X 38 inches, That would be close to the bulk size of a secretarial desk. Tradition maintains that the Ark itself was fashioned by Moses[16], and, of course, the design was his, dictated to him by Yahweh on the sacred mountain.

An ark "denotes here a kind of chest or box."[17] Its Hebrew word is ‘aron.’ It may have meant once something other than a box; that is, the structure embracing the function may have appropriated the name of the function in later ages. The root of ‘aron,’ says Strong's Concordance, signifies a gathering in; in this case, charges are collected and Aaron is the collector. The name of Aaron thus may be closer to the function, the priest of the ark or arc science.

Flinders Petrie, the greatest of Egyptologists, used the word 'ark' to describe one of a number of Egyptian depictions, such as is portrayed in Figure 10 here[18]. One is tempted to speculate that it is an engineering sketch of the Ark itself, lacking the box below. There would be little reason for the construction of these poles or this arch, aesthetic or otherwise, except to manage an electric arc or system of sparks. This ark in operation would flare at the junctions of the grounded poles and the top horizontal bar.

Why would the Egyptians set up an ark upon a boat? The implications are surprising. We think first of where a box to
generate an electric arc would function more continuously and intensely. This would be a location on water, where charges
gather more readily because of high conductivity of the medium. Especially in pre-cometary or post-cometary times, when the Earth was discharging less strongly, the ark as pictured in the illustration would create a more active arc discharge.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Egyptian-Ark-Procession-III-Denkmaler-Die-Lade-Jahves-das-Allerheiligste-des-Solomonischen-Temples-forum.jpg) (http://Egyptian-Ark-Procession-III-Denkmaler-Die-Lade-Jahves-das-Allerheiligste-des-Solomonischen-Temples.jpg)
Figure 10. Egyptian Ark Procession (Note: The figure has two pictures. Click on each of them to get an enlarged view.
Source: Hugo Gressman, Die Lade Jahves and das Allerheiligste des Solomonischen Temples. Leipzig: Kohlhammer, 1920, from III Denkmaler 14. See also F. Petrie, Egypt and Isreal, p.62a


Secondly we revert to the puzzle of why the Jews named the Ark of Noah and the Ark of the Covenant similarly. The answer is probably that the electrical phenomena of Noah's Ark were stupendous, that the Egyptians generated their arcs on boats, and that Moses derived his land-based Ark from the aquatic models. These may have descended to the Egyptians from the Noah tradition via the Hebrews, or have been a joint Egyptian-Hebrew development, or may have been indeed Moses' invention, whether in the aquatic forms or the land form or both. Regarding this last item, we may recall that Moses the infant floated on the Nile in an "ark", the same rare word.

Priestley tells us that "as the electric fire may be made to take whatever circuit the operator shall please to direct, it may be
thrown into a great variety of beautiful forms."[19] With various adjustments, all of which were recapitulated in the renaissance of electrical science in the eighteenth century, the poles or bars could be made to scintillate throughout their lengths, the wings of the cherubim would light up, and a glow would occupy the space beneath or shrouded by the wings, with the four ankhs (pictured at the corners in Figure 10) sparking like brilliant erratic candles. A god was present. The only meaning of 'Ark' in the dictionary of Egyptian hieroglyphics is the name of a god. But when was this Egyptian ark constructed? Was it for a shrine made before 1450 B.C. or afterwards? The ankh answers the question. It is the paramount symbol of the planet Venus.

Though it is also a symbol meaning 'life' and 'salvation' and the procreative membrum virilis, it reverts to Typhonic Venus in the end [20]. Therefore it is mostly of the period after 1450 B.C., by the chronology I am following, Thus were joined the Ark of Noah, the Egyptian ark, the ark and ankh of the gods, and the Ark of Moses.
God's Fire (chapter 4 - The Ark in Action) | Alfred de Grazia (http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QUANTAVOL/gf_docs/gf_4.pdf)

Title: Comet Venus - A challenge for Egyptologists and Archaeologists
Post by: electrobleme on March 25, 2010, 02:43:28

Comet Venus - A challenge for Egyptologists and Archaeologists

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Smiting3.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Smiting2.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Tuthmsosis%20smiting.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)
Egyptian Pharaohs smiting the enemy

** for the authors full challenge click here (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg714#msg714)

** egyptologists have said that battle scenes on temples are for battles that do not exist and also "stock images and names" on different temples!

** north facade hypostyle hall at karnak shows Seti I and son Ramesess II not in wars with Libyans battle in the heavens as Seti I = mercury and Ramesess II = mars fighting space debris

** Ramesess II not 8 year old boy in battle or general of the army at 10. shown by his mummified body not having any battle injuries


(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Narmer%20palette.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Tutankhamun.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)
More images of Egypts warrior kings killing the enemy and charging straight for them

Images from The nonexistent battles of the Egyptian Pharaohs - A Challenge!! (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/) on gary gilligans website the God King Scenario (http://www.gks.uk.com/). The stuff from above is from his book the Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/buy/)

image below not from garys site or book but fits in with what has been discussed before and is of the north wall/facade Hypostyle Hall Karnak - Seti I,  Amon-Minu
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/north-wall-facade-Hypostyle-Hall-Karnak-Boudier-SetiI-Amon-Minu-drawing.jpg)


Title: Dusty solar system?
Post by: electrobleme on March 29, 2010, 06:52:05


10 For the stars of the heavens, and their constellations, Cause not their light to shine, Darkened hath been the sun in its going out, And the moon causeth not its light to come forth.
Isaiah 13:10 (Young's Literal Translation)


Probably dusty conditions. I think dust clumped often in electrical conditions and produced mythical beings in doing so. So there was a lot of dust effects in those days.
Mo



evidence for the dusty nature of our solar system and Hathor etc?
Title: Comet Venus - Sekhmet - a 'warrior' sky
Post by: electrobleme on April 06, 2010, 01:11:19

Comet Venus - Sekhmet - a 'warrior' sky

** for 3000 years during the GKS (God King Scenario) earth was battered by cosmic rubble and this was seen in the skies and evidence is on the planets surfaces. Creation of the Himalayas and Andes during this time. Earths solid outer core broken into the plates we have today.

** Pleistocene era catastrophically ended 3000 years ago as suggested by Velikovsky, Meteor Crater in Arizona from part of the metal core of Mars during that event.

** Sand and the earths deserts - sand takes millions of years to form but Sahara was fertile 5000 years ago. Where did it and the great sand belt around the world come from? Space debris from Mars.

** Sekhmet - a fierce deadly and often red sky - Sekhmet known as Lady of Flame and arrows of fire

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Sekhmet enjoyed a close relationship with the celestial kings. The pyramid texts twice mention that the king was concieved by Sekhmet. She protected the king in battle by stalking the land, destroying the phaoroh's enemies with arrows of fire. We can relate this to the large couds of fiery meteors which streaked across the skies ahead of the pharonic Mars as it crashed headlong into tons of debris.
Comet Venu - Sekhmet - a 'warrior' sky | Gary Gilligan (http://gks.uk.com/gks2/)

From the book Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/buy/) by Gary Gilligan

A list of the authors replies (The Aten) to members posts can be found here (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg707#msg707)

Title: TPOD - Re (Ra) the Red Sun
Post by: electrobleme on April 06, 2010, 04:29:36


TPOD - Re (Ra) the Red Sun


The original TPOD of Re (Ra) the Red Sun (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100405redsun.html) has all the links in it so you are better off reading that and also it means you are visiting the awesome thunderbolts.info site, especially if you have never visited it before :)

The "Re (Ra) the Red Sun" is taken from a page on Gary Gilligans website (God King Scenario - Re (ra), the Egyptian RED sun God? (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks6/)) and his book Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks13/), which is being discussed in this thread.

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(http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100405sun.jpg) (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100405ra.jpg)
Left: Credit: NASA (SOHO) Right: An Egyptian Red Sun

Re (Ra) the Red Sun

Apr 05, 2010

A hazed red Sun, planetary chaos, and a solar system besieged by dust and debris.

The Egyptian Sun god Re was typically represented as a sun-disk, or as a falcon-headed man wearing a red sun-disk on his head. Such imagery points to the god’s solar character. The following epithets present traits which are consistent with the life-giving properties of the Sun experienced today.

'Re is the great light who shinest in the heavens
Lord of all lands...praise Re when he riseth at the beginning of each day.
Thou passest over the sky, and every face watcheth thee and thy course,
for thou hast been hidden from their gaze.
Thou dost show thyself at dawn and at eventide day by day'

Re's solar disk features heavily in Egyptian art and there exist numerous orbs adorning every monument, tomb, and temple wall throughout Egypt. They are also carved on stela and statues, painted on coffins and sarcophagi, as well as on scrolls of papyrus. They are even incorporated into Egyptian jewellery. Since the Sun was the primary source of life, such ubiquitous representation is only to be expected. However, there is something unusual about the way the Egyptians represented our nearest star that is incredibly revealing when considered alongside planetary chaos. Re
’s most basic form consisted of a simple red disk. Why was this? Why not portray the Sun as it appeared?

The Sun is a blinding, golden-yellow disk with emanating rays
– a ball of glaring, golden light. A red disk is drab and lifeless by comparison, and yet Egyptian art reveals not one single golden glaring Sun with a complete 360° sweep of sun rays. A perplexing situation, especially when considering that gold was the flesh of the gods and Re was the Sun god par excellence as epitomised in the godly pharaoh's title sa re, which means ‘offspring of Re’.

Whether Velikovsky's Comet Venus was the largest 'volcano' in the solar system, spewing out countless tons of sulphurous gas from its many thousands of volcanic vents, or Mars was disturbed from its orbit to undergo a catastrophic transformation, the result of any cosmic catastrophe would have been the release of immeasurable quantities of debris, dust and gas.

This debris eventually settled down into the plane of the ecliptic where it impacted the planets, the Moon, or fell into the Sun. To understand the effect that a stream of dust and gas 93 million miles long had on the Sun's appearance, we need look no further than the art of the Egyptians. Their portrayals clearly reveal the red haze that surrounded our Sun. The Egyptians carved, drew and painted a red Sun because all they ever experienced was a red Sun. Furthermore, if the duration of Egyptian dynasties is anything to go by, our Sun was hazed red for an incredible 3,000 years.

The supposition that ancient cultures only experienced a diminished red Sun is both profound and exciting. It allows us to take much of the art and many seemingly bizarre beliefs at face value. Not the least being the fact that a hazed Sun means there was no glare, so they were able to look directly at the Sun without being blinded. This led to naked-eye observations of electrical phenomena such as coronal mass ejections (CMEs), flares, and prominences.

The image on the right at the top of the page depicts an Egyptian Sun encircled by a yellow royal uraeus serpent which was known to spit fire and venom at Egypt's enemies. The image on the left was taken by SOHO and can be used for comparison, providing some idea of how the Sun appeared in a world dominated by cosmic catastrophe.

The cobra is a symbolic representation of vicious CME’s 'striking out' several times the diameter of the Sun at sungrazing cometary bodies: snakelike CME's protecting the body of Re by spitting fire at Egypt's enemies. In ancient times, those eruptions might have been observable on a daily basis and perceived to be a perennial battle against the forces of evil.

Regarding the association between CME's and comets, Stephen Smith commented in a previous Picture of the Day:

'Comet NEAT swung close by the Sun in 2003, apparently initiating a CME eruption that appeared to impact the comet. Astronomers at the time discounted any relationship between the two events because of the size differential between the comet and the Sun. However, several other sungrazers have been associated with violent flares. One event can be a coincidence, two can be long odds, but three or more cannot be dismissed as mere oddities'.

Regarding comet 96P/Machholz:

'It did not rapidly dissipate, however. Instead, its intense charge differential caused a gigantic CME to discharge from the Sun, blasting out for millions of kilometers'. The yellow coronal ring encompassing the snake represents the highly charged million-degree corona of the Sun, bursting through as a yellow ring due to its 20 million degree temperature. Gold really was the 'flesh of the gods', as bursts of golden energy were also observed emanating from the body of Re, as in the image above.

Egypt today has one of the most sunniest and driest climates in the world. Its sunsets and sunrises invoke thoughts of serenity and are a sight to behold. In total contrast, the ancient Egyptians believed Re's daily path across the sky was fraught with dangers.

It was believed that the setting Sun prompted a perpetual nightly battle with the demons of the underworld. It was a doomsday scenario, and they believed that the Sun might not shine the next day.

The fighting aspect of the Sun is also played out on Mesopotamian cylinder seals. The 'dispenser of divine justice,' the Sun god Utu/Shamesh, is shown with fiery solar 'rays' (CME's) emanating from his shoulders. He also holds a pruning-saw. He is depicted cutting his way through the eastern horizon to again rise victorious. On some seals the snakelike shoulder rays end in stars, indicative of CME's zapping space debris.Upon consideration, a red Sun at war opens a window to many ancient enigmatic beliefs.

Contributed by Gary Gilligan

Re (Ra) the Red Sun - TPOD (Thunderbolts Picture Of the Day) by Gary Gilligan (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100405redsun.htm)
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Title: Comet Venus - Amun
Post by: electrobleme on April 08, 2010, 17:29:05

Comet Venus - Amun

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/amun%20colour%20drawing.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/aurora%208.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)
Amun and the Auroral lights


** Amun (Amen, Amon) = king of the gods known as "the hidden one" and pharaohs used his name, for example Tut-ankh-amun. Amum was the the earths increased aurora during the God King Scenario millenia.

** catastrophists normally associate Amun with Jupiter as its the largest planet but how did the ancients know this and why was he not linked to one of the brighter planets like venus, saturn, mars? Egyptologists link him to the sun.

** During the years of Chaos the space debris increased the activity of the solar wind and also created the red sun. the aurora was intensified and could be seen over most or all of the earth, also due to the red sun

** the ancient cultures who lived at that time would have seen Hathor arching across the sky, Re the red sun, the God King planets and Amun.

** Amuns skin was mainly painted blue (sometimes red), the colours of his double plumed crown varied depending on how he the aurora was being seen in the sky

** Amuns crown was flat topped to show that he was more associated physically with Lower Egypt, the earth.

** Amun the hidden one - Re the sun god is not hidden - the cause of the aurora was hidden

** some epithets to Amun

The King of the South and the North
Prince of rays and beam of light
Secret of manifestations and sparkling of shape

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Aurora%205.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)   (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/aurora%207.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)
Egyptian god Amun seen in the skies



Title: Vishnu - Hathor - Holy Cows - Peacocks - Oceans of Milk
Post by: electrobleme on April 08, 2010, 18:43:14
Amun was the king of the egyptian gods and his skin was shown as blue. this reminded me of Hindu god Vishnu who has always stuck in my mind because his colour is described as the blue of new clouds and its not a colour i have seen that often.

if garys ideas are correct then perhaps many other gods can be explained in a similar way. of course they may be variations of a theme so they will be alike but i wanted to see if there was any links between them or things that could show EU Theory.

The below are quotes from wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu)

Vishnu is the supreme god. In the Puranas, Vishnu is described as having the divine colour of clouds (dark-blue), four-armed, holding a lotus, mace, conch and chakra (wheel). Vishnu is also described in the Bhagavad Gita as having a 'Universal Form' (Vishvarupa) which is beyond the ordinary limits of human perception.


Etymology
The traditional Sanskrit explanation of the name Vishnu involves the root vis, meaning "to settle, to enter", or also (in the Rigveda) "to pervade", and a suffix nu, translating to approximately "the All-Pervading One". An early commentator on the Vedas, Yaska, in his Nirukta, defines Vishnu as 'vishnu vishateh; one who enters everywhere', and 'yad vishito bhavati tad vishnurbhavati; that which is free from fetters and bondages is Vishnu.'


Iconography

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Vishnu.jpg)

According to various Purana, Vishnu is the ultimate omnipresent reality, is shapeless and omnipresent. However, a strict iconography governs his representation, whether in pictures, icons, or idols...
Vishnu is always to be depicted holding the four attributes associated with him, being:
* A conch shell or Shankha, named "Panchajanya"
* The chakra, a sharp-spinning discus-like weapon, named "Sudarshana",
* A mace or Gada, named "Kaumodaki"
* A lotus flower or Padma

To this may be added, conventionally, the vanamaala flower garland and Vishnu's bow, the Shaarnga, and his sword Nandaka

(the 4 arms, are they similar to the squatter man images?)


Thousand names of Vishnu
* Krishna  (born during the third epoch or yuga, his deeds range from cow protection (go rakshya) to absolving the earth of load of sins)
* Shikhandee: He who wears a peacock feather
* Damodara (having a rope (dama) around his belly (udara): a name of Krishna)

(The cow protection part is interesting, is this actually why white cows have become sacred? is it because they reflect Hathor seen in the skies, the suckling cow (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg769#msg769)?)

(http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Content/Images/Journal/2008/Spring/Artifacts/Hathor-Cow.jpg)

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Few people, however, revere the cow like the world's 900 million adherents of Hinduism. Since the faith first evolved near Asia's Indus River more than 3,000 years ago, respect for animal life has been a central theme in Hindu life. While many scholars say early Hindus ate beef, most ultimately came to see the cow as a sacred animal to be esteemed, not eaten. "If someone were to ask me what the most important outward manifestation of Hinduism was, I would suggest that it was the idea of cow protection," Mahatma Gandhi, India's legendary nonviolent leader, once wrote.

Although Hindus follow no single set of rules, reverence for cows can be found throughout the religion's major texts. Some trace the cow's sacred status back to Lord Krishna, one of the faith's most important figures. He is said to have appeared 5,000 years ago as a cowherd, and is often described as bala-gopala, "the child who protects the cows." Another of Krishna's holy names, Govinda, means "one who brings satisfaction to the cows." Other scriptures identify the cow as the "mother" of all civilization, its milk nurturing the population.
Holy Cow (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/holycow/hinduism.html)

Is the timing of the appearence of Kirshna in step with the God King Scenario / Comet Venus and the cow, nurturing theme?


The peacock and the peacock feathers reminds me of Amun, the crown of Amun and the colours of the aurora - especially as part of the peacock itself is blue

(http://www.lib.utk.edu/news/biology/peacock.jpg) (http://www.peacocklearningzone.com/peacock_behav.jpg)
Vishnu, the peacock, aurora and Amun

Damodara reminds me of the sash around the raising of the Djed Pillars (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg797#msg797) and also referenced in the bible and revelations (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=197.msg960#msg960)




Ocean of milk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_of_Milk)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Vishnu_and_Lakshmi_on_Shesha_Naga%2C_ca_1870.jpg/275px-Vishnu_and_Lakshmi_on_Shesha_Naga%2C_ca_1870.jpg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Kurma_Avatar_of_Vishnu._ca_1870.jpg/250px-Kurma_Avatar_of_Vishnu._ca_1870.jpg)
Vishnu and the Oceans of Milk

In Hindu mythology, the Ocean of Milk is the place where 13 precious treasures were lost. The gods and demons worked together for a millennium churning the sea to free them.  It is spoken of in the Samudra manthan chapter of the Puranas, a body of ancient Sanskrit legends.

It is also the place where Vishnu reclines over Shesha Naga, along with his consort Lakshmi.


Etymology
"Ocean of Milk" is the English translation of the Sanskrit terms k??roda, k??radhi or k??ras?gara, from k??ra "milk, curdled milk" and -uda, s?gara "water, ocean" or -dhi "receptacle".


Depiction at Angkor Wat
A bas-relief at the temple of Angkor Wat in Cambodia includes a depiction of devas and asuras working together to stir up the Ocean of Milk in an attempt to free the precious objects lost within, including the elixir of immortality called amrita. The scheme, masterminded by Vishnu, was to wrap the serpent Vasuki around Mount Mandara, and then to rotate the mountain and to churn the surrounding sea in the manner of a gigantic food processor, by alternately pulling on the serpent's head and then on his tail.


Oceans of Milk...churning the white sea...serpent... mountain...rotating...



Title: hathors braids? birkeland filaments sheath?
Post by: electrobleme on April 28, 2010, 18:13:54


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Birkeland-sheath-filaments-surrounding-Earth-28-pairs.jpg)
[Above (left): Virtual image of the intense auroral plasma column as viewed at an angle of inclination, not to scale.
Above (right): Conceptual view of the Birkeland sheath filaments surrounding Earth (28 close pairs).
image and text from viewzone.com (http://mondovista.com/endtime2xx.html) article

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Hathor-egyptian-column-Denderah-image-photograph-braid-hair-temples.jpg)
Hathors braids

is this a possible explanation for the braids of Hathor? not saying it explains Hathor but maybe this imagery?

also a possible  explanation fro the sprites/papyrus reeds images seen associated with Hathor?



Title: Amun - An Ancient Aurora Filled Sky
Post by: electrobleme on May 04, 2010, 18:08:17

Amun - An Ancient Aurora Filled Sky | TPOD

(http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100428amun.jpg) (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100428borealis.jpg)
Left: The god Amun adorning his traditional 'aurora' crown and his sacred colours. Credit:  Neithsabes. Right: Photo of the Aurora Borealis. Credit C. Anderson.

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Amun - An Ancient Aurora Filled Sky

Planetary chaos and intense geomagnetic storms encapsulated in the 'king of the gods' Amun.

Auroras are striking displays of coloured lights often seen over the Earth’s magnetic poles. They occur when the solar wind particles trapped by the Earth’s magnetic field collide with molecules of air in the upper atmosphere (ionosphere). They are a spectacular sight and take the form of rapidly shifting patches of colour and dancing columns of light of various hues. The colours observed depend on several factors such as atmospheric conditions, intensity of the solar wind, temperature and location. The aurora is always present in almost every area of the sky, but it is usually too faint to be seen except near the North and South Poles.

The intensity of the aurora is dictated by the solar wind, a stream of electrically charged particles from the Sun. When the solar wind blows exceptionally strong, the aurora increases. When the Sun is in the active phase it can unleash powerful magnetic storms that disable satellites, threaten astronaut safety, and even disrupt communication systems on Earth.

Amun is most commonly shown entirely in human form. Often he is standing or sitting on a throne wearing a red, flat-topped crown with two tall plumes and holding a sceptre in his hand. Thousands of images of Amun are to be found throughout the Pharaonic Egypt. The enormous temple complex of Karnak was the principal home of Amun where he was worshiped as the prominent divine entity. During the New Kingdom, his popularity eclipsed that of other major deities so much so he was referred to as the ‘king of the gods’.

The image on the left depicts Amun in typical form with blue skin, yellow kilt, and red flat-topped crown with tall plumes segmented into sections of blue, red and green (?). A thin yellow frame separates these 'sacred' colours. The Northern Lights photo on the right depicts a plumed or pillared aurora with similar colours i.e. mainly blue supported by green, red and a hint of yellow. Comparing Amun’s tall plumes with the aurora photo it is apparent they are clearly a symbolic representation of intense geomagnetic storms that dominated ancient skies.

Amun's epithets are completely consistent with an aurora filled sky.

Mysterious of form
Who raised high the sky
The king of the south and of the north
Prince of rays and beams of light
The flame which sendeth forth rays of light with mighty splendour
Living flame who came forth from Nun
King of heaven, ruler of the two lands
Who makes light/gives free passage
Secret of manifestations and sparkling of shape
Marvellous god rich in forms
Light was his coming into existence on the first occasion

Amun’s colours were at times interchangeable. Although his flesh was predominantly blue (main sacred colour), some images reveal a red coloured flesh. His segmented plumes were sometimes coloured yellow or white, as too was his crown. The plumes were often depicted devoid of segments and were painted just one colour, normally yellow or white.

The main colours of the aurora are blue, yellow, red and green and any variants in Amun's colours merely reflect the hues seen at the time which could change on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. Sometimes red neon lights covered the entire sky, other times blue, green, yellow, white or a combination of all colours. The Egyptians reflected what they saw in their art.

The aurora manifests itself in many forms including homogenous arcs, bands, active arcs, rays, pillars, plumes, draperies (or curtains) and coronas. The aurora variations are reflected in the epithet which describes Amun as the 'One creator who has millions of forms & transformations'.

Amun was also known as ‘the hidden one’ and the ‘one whose true form could never be known’. Such 'hidden' traits reflect the transparency of the aurora. Unlike the light emanating from the body of the Sun, the auroral light had no solid body or attributable physical 'form'. In this respect the Egyptians had a blank canvass, and so chose to encapsulate the aurora as a human being adorning auroral hues and a plumed auroral crown.

The solar wind is deflected around the earth to form an enormous magnetotail which can extend more than 3,976,766 miles out into space. It is divided into two lobes, or tails, rising and setting in opposition to the Sun. Today it is invisible. From the point of view of Earth's horizons it appeared as two mountains with the title 'Lord of the Two Mountains'. Those electrical apparitions were also attributed to Amun. It's probably why he wore two plumes on top of his crown and not one, or three.

During that period all close proximity planetary bodies exhibited highly visible electrical traits (this would include the cometary plumes of Comet Venus). These were all attributed to Amun. It is the very reason why the omnipresent Amun/aurora rose to prominence to become the 'king of the gods'.

Perhaps 3,000 years of cosmic catastrophe is staring us in the face by way of every façade the length and breadth of the Nile Valley.

Contributed by Gary Gilligan.

http://spaceweather.com/aurora/gallery_31mar01.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/aurora_watching_020917-1.html
http://www.skychasers.net/paul.htm

You Tube Aurora/Amun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sU6CpQz-D4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GThxWmmvvk&NR=1

Amun - An Ancient Aurora Filled Sky | TPOD (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100428amun.htm)
Title: the Dendera Lightbulb - Temple of Hathor
Post by: electrobleme on May 11, 2010, 02:58:36

when discussing the "Dendera Lightbulb" or plasma discharge i did not realise at the time that the Temple at Dendera is a Temple to Hathor :) i have made a reply to a post on thunderbolts (http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1027) about the subject of the Dendera Lightbulb.

here is some more stuff about the Temple of Hathor at Dendera

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 the Temple of Hathor at Dendera

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Temple of Hathor before it became a tourist site. This building has no statues or figures of Gods all over it , so it leads one to conclude that it had other uses.
Ancient Electricity | thelivingmoon.com (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Ancient_Electricity_02.html)

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Dendera-plasma-discharge-Temple-of-Hathor-egypt.jpg)
are these the papyrus leaves shown in the image of hathor as the cow in the sky with the papyrus leaves and the white band?

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The Temple of Hathor at Dendera contains a number of small crypts along the eastern, southern, and western sides. These crypts are thought to have served as warehouses or treasuries for ritual furnishings, sacred and ceremonial equipment, and divine images used in celebrating various feasts and holidays. The crypts are small and it is likely that few served as locations for formal rituals. Many have plain, undecorated walls, but some have walls of limestone, rather than the sandstone of the temple itself, that are covered with carefully carved reliefs

At the southern end of the temple there are five subterranean crypts aligned along a straight hallway. It was in these small rooms that the most valuable of the temple statues and objects were kept, including two gilt statues of Hathor decorated with precious stones. The statues have long since vanished, but they are described in the text: one was "the height of one cubit, three palms and two fingers." François Daumas wrote:

        But most prestigious of the statues was that of the ba of Hathor. According to the texts written on the walls, we know that the kiosk consisted of a gold base surmounted by a gold roof supported by four gold posts, covered on all four sides by linen curtains hung from copper rods. Inside was placed the gold statuette representing a bird with a human head capped with a horned disc. This was Hathor, Lady of Dendara, residing in her house... It was certainly this statuette that was carried in the kiosk on the evening of the New Year. [Dendara et le Temple d'Hathor, 1969, p. 60; my own translation.]

It is in the easternmost of these five crypts that the strange reliefs are found...
Ancient Electricity | thelivingmoon.com (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Ancient_Electricity_02.html)

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/egypt-plasma-mythology-Dendera-temple-hathor-light.jpg)

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Translation of the Text
Complete text of the south wall:

Bandeau de la frise:
Resomtus is alive with gloss in the sky (and) lives at the day of the New Year celebration.
He lights up in its house in the night of the child in his nest, by donating the light to the country from the birth bricks. The sky is jubilant, the earth is pleased and the God chapels is glad, when he appears in his chamber in his procession barge at his beautiful celebration of the New Year. The God with his disk has come to see him. Nehebkau gives him reputation, and the goddess with her disk, with godly body, rejuvenates him in his sanctuary.
Tchnt tpjt jnr  is content because of her majesty. She praises Re because of him with praise for his Ka, with wine from schfjt and meat bits on the altar before him.
The "land-of-Atum" is prepared with his most distinguished plan, as Hu and Sia are subordinated to him. He may protect the son of Re, forever. 
Ancient Electricity | thelivingmoon.com (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Ancient_Electricity_02.html)

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/serpents-snakes-plasma-discharge-Dendera-lightbulbs.jpg)
serpents/snakes or plasma discharge or more different Dendera lightbulbs




Title: The Winged Disk and The God King Scenario - GKS site article
Post by: electrobleme on May 13, 2010, 01:38:36


The Winged Disk and The God King Scenario

gary gilligan has posted a new part to his God King Scenario about the winged disk. Below is a copy of the article from his GKS site (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks17/). the original article has a few links in it so its best to read it there.



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The winged disk and the GKS

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Amenhotep/Mars offering to the King of the Gods, Amun (aurora). Credit: Lufaa


The winged disk is a familiar emblem found in Egypt, Mesopotamia, Anatolia, and Persia. It can be found carved over temple doorways, on the rounded top of stela (as above) and on many papyri. It was the symbol of Horus Behdety and is often associated with the Pharaoh (Horus, the embodiment of kingship). It has been the subject of much discussion and debate among catastrophists and Egyptologists alike.What does it represent?

Egyptologist Sir Alan Gardiner argued that the disk represented the 'actual person' of the of the king, syncretised with the sun-god (Dictionary of Ancient Egypt. Shaw & Nicholson, 2002, p305) Was he correct? Does the disk in the image above represent the god king Amenhotep?   

The God King Scenario (GKS) forwards the radical proposal that the divine monarchy of ancient Egypt (& Mesopotamian cultures) were first and foremost guises of the planets Mars, Venus, Mercury and the Moon as they played havoc with earth for 3,000 years. These heavenly monarchs were represented by human 'doubles' - mortal Pharaohs who were believed to be the human incarnation of astral bodies.

The errant planets were named and renamed numerous times over as they appeared to move back and forth to Earth. This paralleling the historical and chronicle record of the pharaohs carved on temple and tombs walls throughout Pharaonic Egypt.

As 'gods among gods' the sky kings held the power of life or death in their hands - their very location deemed them as intermediaries between heaven and earth, the mortal and the divine. It was believed that without the warring Pharaoh the whole universe would fall into chaos. Other sky bound epithets would include 'rulers of everything encircled by the Sun,' and 'god of earth.'

Appearing predominately as red orbs a very close, personal, even 'synchronistic' relationship with the Red Sun was assumed. This was exemplified by numerous dedicatory 'Re' titles such as...

Offspring of Re
Appearing like Re
Shinning like Re
Fashioned by Re
Beloved of Re
Lordly manifestation of Re
Chosen of Re
Eternal like Re
Ruler of justice like Re

It would be wise to attribute phenomena such as electrical manifestations, ecliptic dust, light refraction, zodiacal light, earth's rings, etc. etc. with Egypt's cosmogonical gods and goddesses such as Amun, Isis, Hathor, Osiris etc. These sky deities housed, nurtured and granted kingship to the kings as the appeared within and interacted with such phenomena.

The scene carved on the stele above is believed to be mythological in context i.e. we have a human king of equal stature interacting with an fictitious god. This conventional interpretation is incorrect. The scene represents real events in the heavens. This would apply to all sacred scenes and accompanying text throughout dynasty Egypt. 

Amenhotep was just one of the many names given to the warring Mars. Amenhotep III is represented three times. Primarily as a winged disk at the top of the stele and in human form either side of the carved stone. The winged disk is a true physical representation of Mars/Amenhotep when in close proximity to earth. The adorning of outstretched wings was probably due to the solar wind stripping the spinning Mars of its volatiles. Mars, with its magnetic field still intact, buffering the solar wind to form two ginourmous outstretched cometary wings. Either way, from the perspective of earth, the Egyptian's portrayed almost exactly what they saw.

Identifying the disk with Mars/Amenhotep is made perfectly clear by the placing of the kings cartouche directly below the disk. It contains the throne name of Amenhotep 'Nub-maat-re.' Another Re title meaning 'Lord of truth is Re.' Amenhotep was also given the highly significant title 'the dazzling sun disk of all lands.' This is a clear reference to a celestial body adorning similar attributes to that of the Sun. Only in this case, and at this particular time, Mars' luminosity was more 'dazzling' than the hazed red sun of ancient times.

Intense geomagnetic storms (aurora) were deified as the great god Amun. Mars, in appearing amidst the aurora was adorned with the name Amen-hotep, meaning the aurora/Amun is content. Mars/Amenhotep in 'seeking excellent things for his father Amun' is perceived as 'offering' (spinning off volatiles) to the aurora/Amun. Amun reciprocates by granting the astral king 'life' (ankh) and the authority to literally reign over earth, within the aurora/Amun.     

In answer to the question, was Gardiner correct in his assumption that the disk represented the 'actual person,' the answer has to be yes, only more than he could have ever imagined.


The Winged Disk and The God King Scenario | GKS (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks17/)

Title: The Aten - Dendera lightbulb reply on thunderbolts
Post by: electrobleme on May 17, 2010, 17:20:21

gary replied to a post i made on the thunderbolts forum (http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1027#p35418) discussing the Dendera lightbulb. I have copied his reply below and you can read his original reply here (http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1027#p35598).


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If I may make some brief suggestions.

Located mainly around earth's celestial equator, Hathor was earth's ring system of ancient times. Isis was responsible for the ecliptic haze. These two nurturing goddesses were interchangeable as the ecliptic and earths celestial equator crossed throughout the day and the year.

Hathor, and to a larger degree Isis (ecliptic haze) hazed the Sun red exactly as depicted. Hathor, as earth rings was said to receive the red sun each evening and protect Re until the following morn. The Egyptian kas, the souls, or doubles of the Egyptians are believed to be some kind of invisible spirit - a figment of ancient minds, this is incorrect. In a world dominated by cosmic catastrophe, Hathor and Isis housed numerous bodies. These were perceived as the doubles of the Egyptians. A 'soul' (ka) that they believed they would join with after death to ultimately live a life of eternity as a star in the firmament of heaven. Heaven perceived as a fixed land above held up by the Djed pillar, which symbolised the four posts holding up the sky.

Seemingly appearing within Hathor (Hat-hor = house of the god king planets) were many electrical apparitions, such as sprites which were represented the papyrus flowers (as mattEU's images), and the aurora (Amun) which filled the sky.

In later times and as the heavens began to clear another electrical phenomena observed appearing 'within' the celestial cow Hathor were 'Dual bands of ultraviolet light mark streams of plasma circling Earth's equator.'

If I could draw your attention to Stephen Smith's TPOD article.

Plasma In Three Dimensions (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100120dimensions.htm)

It highly likely these snake-like streams of plasma were occasionally observed with dust granting visibility to the otherwise invisible. Close proximity personified bodies (as in the images) probably playing a part here in boosting their luminosity. From earths POV providing a good deal of brilliance and almost light-bulb like apparitions.

The Dendera light-bulb carved in Hathor's temple, because this is exactly where it was observed, seemingly within earth equatorial ring system.

Accepted, the precise and exact definition of the 'light-bulb' images will probably never be known. However, I will say with a good deal of confidence is that it represents events in the heavens and has little if anything to do with events on earth. Apart from, of course the Egyptians, recording such apparitions.

Gary Gilligan http://www.gks.uk.com/gks17/
Re: Dendera lightbulb | thunderbolts.info/forum (http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1027#p35598)

Title: Comet Venus - Amun-Re
Post by: electrobleme on May 17, 2010, 19:23:17

Comet Venus - Amun-Re | light of the hidden one

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/amun%20colour%20drawing.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)
Amun-Re with a feather or aurora and cometary tails?


** Amun-Re suggested by classical egyptologists to be the merger of the 2 gods Amun and Re

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However, while hidden, the addition to his name of "Re" revealed the god to humanity. Re was the common egyptian term for the Sun, thus making him visiible. Hence,, Amun-Re combined within himself the two opposites of the divinity, the hidden and the revealed. As Amun, he was secret, hidden, and mysterious, but as Re,, he was visible and revealed.
Amun-Re | touregypt.net (http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/amun-re.htm)

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Comet%20tails.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)
comets tails blue like Amun?

** blue of Amun seen in cometry tails of the many objects in the sky and the auroras of the planets. sun and electric solar system more energised combined with red sun means they were more noticeable

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Bound%20prisoners.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/)
nubian prisoners wearing feathers or cometary bodies with tails?

**  "Feathers" seen in images = "Amun tails". blue Amun tails point away from the sun = composite of god Amun-re

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Amun-Re Hieroglyphs and the feather or comets tails?

** possible mistranslation of name Amun-Re? could it mean "Amuns light" or "light of Amun" ... the light of the hidden one ?


Amun and the God Kings

** Amun more associated with near earth things than the afterlife

** Example = Ramesses Meryamun (mery-amun) = Re has fashioned him, Beloved of Amun.
Ramesses = Mars which is red like the sun and Mars appears in the aurora. If Amun was linked to the sun would it not say "Re has fashioned him, Beloved of Re"?

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Amun%20embrace%201.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)
God King embraces Amun or God King planet seen in the aurora?

** "Beloved of" or "Chosen of" = God Kings planet location in the sky. Beloved of Amun = wrapped up or embraced in Amun


** Amun was the Aurora | Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/) - book written by Gary Gilligan
Title: Re: Comet Venus - Amun-Re
Post by: electrobleme on May 17, 2010, 20:09:21

WOW. what a chapter. links and summarises garys previous ideas. the embrace of Amun seems to sum up the God King Scenario

the feathers or cometary tails helps me understand further the idea that these enemies of egypt were not races of people but were the enemies of their God King and therefore egypt themselves. with the fact that comets could bring catastrophe so they were the enemy of all. peoples always seemed to imagine foreign devils as that, with mystical powers, larger than life etc

are there any other alternative ideas/symbols/meanings though for the feathers?

why were those slaves or captured peoples shown with feathers? is it like the old paintings of mythology, legends and religion. those alive knew what it all meant, it was obvious, common knowledge or either esoteric knowledge. but if the world changes, time passes and common knowledge changes then it is just a painting or an image. we may understand bits of it but we also know that nothing in the images is random, it all conveys a message, tells a story

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/La-Divina-Commedia-Divine-Comedy-dante-Michelinos-fresco-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/La-Divina-Commedia-Divine-Comedy-dante-Michelinos-fresco.jpg)
Dante with his Divine Comedy (La Divina Commedia) Michelino's fresco
shows entrance to Hell, 7 terraces of Mount Purgatory, city of Florence etc


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/sacrifice-of-Iphigenia-1671-painting-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/sacrifice-of-Iphigenia-1671-painting.jpg)
sacrifice of Iphigenia 1671 painting


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/the-crusades-paintings-palestine-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/the-crusades-paintings-palestine.jpg)
painting of the Crusades in palestine
Title: Comet Venus - Amun and Kingship
Post by: electrobleme on May 17, 2010, 21:26:16


Comet Venus - Amun and Kingship

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/ram-amun-re-protecting-embracing-pharaoh-aurora.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Amun%20as%20a%20ram.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Amun%20as%20a%20ram.jpg)
the ram as Amun-Re protecting/embracing the Pharaoh


** Astral God Kings protected/enveloped/embraced by Amun = Chosen by Amum

** Ram = protection, fertility, ability to climb cosmic mountains, strong aurora as the fleece

** Kings created by Amun. Pharaoh Amenmesses = fashioned by Amun = Mars born in the aurora or auroral characteristics


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/back-Tutankhamuns-throne-image-photograph-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/back-Tutankhamuns-throne-image-photograph.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/King-Tut-queen-Ankhesenamun-back-throne-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/King-Tut-queen-Ankhesenamun-back-throne.jpg)
Tutankhamuns (King Tut) back of throne image and Queen Ankhesenamun

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close up of King Tutankhaten (Amen-tut-ankh) blue crown from the back of his throne


** Tutankahmun = living image of Amun



Kingship


(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Seti%20and%20Amun.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)
Seti/Mercury receives royal regalia from Khnum and Amun


** Amun = physical father of the King and authority to rule


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/amun-pharaohs-egyptian-kings-embracing-protecting.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Amun%20embrace.jpg)


** lots of images of egyptian kings/pharaohs receiving from Amun and also embracing or holding hands



** Hatshepsut = female queen = Venus when very close to earth. therefore the femal planet queen had to be worshipped as a God King.

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I believe the female queen Hatshepsut (Just and full of vitality like the Sun) was identified with Venus, as were 98% of all queens. This identification occured when Hatshepsut/Venus came so close to Earth that it outsized and outranked all other bodies. Such an exalted position demanded she be worshiped not as a queen, but as a king of Egypt. Hatshepsut was depicted as a male wearing the traditional false beard and kilt of Egyptian kings.
AMUN AND KINGSHIP | Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/)

** Amun and Hatshepsut have images in the "Gods wife embrace"   = Venus in the Aurora and was known as "She who embraces Amun

** The astral God Kings (planets) had immense amount of material/atmosphere removed over the millenia = offerings of gifts (food/flowers/oils etc) to the gods


info and some of the images printed with the permission of gary gilligan from his Comet Venus book and website (God King Scenario | Amun was the Aurora - Kingship (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks14/))
Title: the mystery of the pharaoh queen Hatshepsut explained?
Post by: electrobleme on May 17, 2010, 22:51:03
(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Hatshepsut-temple-statue-false-beard-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Hatshepsut-temple-statue-false-beard.jpg)
Pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut temple statue wearing beard


a good theory predicts or can explain most things, especially those troublesome variations and oddities. one of the reasons to doubt the gravity universe model is the fact that it predicts so little and nearly everything is a suprise or can not be explained without modifying or creating an absolute new theory for each thing.


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mystery and puzzle of Hatchepsut the female pharaoh explained?


gary gilligan in his God King Scenario and the Comet Venus book has set forth his ideas and theories and followed through with them in a logical manner. has his theory explained one of the greatest mysteries of egyptian and its pharaohs, the Queen King Hatshepsut? A female Pharaoh who ruled as King.


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Pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut mystery solved?


The God Kings were planets in our skies and linked to the Pharaoh double at the time. Gary suggests that Venus came closer to the earth than normal and was the primary planet and therefore God King in the sky.

Does this explain the false beard? After all even if a lady wore a false beard it would still be obvious she was a lady and not a man. If the planet venus had been considered a queen before this, the planet that was the royal company to the God King planets that ruled, then she took over the sky they would still consider her a queen but now she was the main God King. So you give her the symbols of power to show she does rule but also that she is still Venus, a queen.

Was there a physcial double of Venus on earth? if the God King planets were chosen to be the astral double of the Pharaoh or ruling king at that time then did they choose a lady to rule? was she linked to the king at that time? if it was a man did they have to accept a queen planet as their double?


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pharaoh queen Hatshepsut (Hatchepsut) with wig of hathor?


the image above is said to be the Pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut. It seems to have the wig/crown of Hathor. was it interchangeable, is this the female Pharaoh Hatshepsut or Hathor? it seems to have large ears much like the female cow images of Hathor


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queen and pharaoh Hatchepsut (Hatshepsut) as sphinx statue with ears of hathor?


the pharaohs and gods were shown in many different variations. is this showing Hatshepsut/Venus in a different location/scenario. Hathor and Hatshepsut shared a temple and it was known as the "holiest of holys".

Hatshepsut/Venus within Hathor, the celestial dust band? is that a mane around the sphinx or an auroral or plasma discharge around the planet Venus?

has the mystery of egypts female pharaoh been solved or is the answer to the puzzle of a Queen King a different solution to what gary has suggested?


one thing i did find that was interesting is the quote below

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Hathor shares this temple site with Queen Hatshepsut who has the smaller temple

Hatshepsut was one of Thutmosis II's wives. Upon the King's death, the crown passed to his son (by another wife), Thutmosis III. The young Thutmosis III ruled alongside his mother Hatshepsut, who slowly gained power before ultimately declaring herself King. Hatshepsut wore a false beard in order to be taken seriously by her subjects, and erected a number of impressive temples most of which were destroyed upon her death.
Valley of the Kings | eduweb.co.uk (http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/carolrb/Egypt/valley_of_the_kings.htm)


the God King Scenario has Thutmosis III as the Moon. Dating of the pharaohs and rulers is very doubtful but even if we use the GKS theory to the quote above does it show that in a period of change the Moon/Thutmosis III was the largest body in the then Venus/Hatshepsut muscled her way in?

Was the Moon not normally considered a God King as it was just a normal part of our sky or does the fact that not every Pharaoh was linked to the Moon show that the Moon was a late arrival or only recently been captured in earths orbit? or was the God King planet chosen by the damage it may do as they got closer to the earth?


i think i have got most of the associations right but if i have not please let me know!









Title: Comet Venus - Amun and Warfare
Post by: electrobleme on May 19, 2010, 06:29:43

Comet Venus - Amun and Warfare

** Amun  ruled through the pharaohs and they ruled through and by him

** no image of Amun smiting an enemy. he does give them weapons including the khepesh sword (invicibility).

** Montu (Mont/Month/Monthu) was the god of war. Montu wore double uraeus with the 2 plumes. Montu = intense "stormy" aurora. the warlike side of Amun/aurora

Title: Re: Comet Venus - Amun and Warfare
Post by: electrobleme on May 19, 2010, 06:34:11

Re: Comet Venus - Amun and Warfare

the last paragraph of the chapter i dont understand ...

"Other sky kings incorporated Montu's name into theirs. For example, Montuhotep which means Montu is content. This is obviously an elusion to the waring aspect of Mars."
Title: Comet Venus - Planet Venus
Post by: electrobleme on May 19, 2010, 06:46:58

Comet Venus - Planet Venus

** first half is physical facts about the planet Venus

** Velikovsky in "Worlds in Collision" studied ancient cultures myths and legends and concluded that they came from worldwide catastrophe and that  Venus was a new born planet, that during its birth from jupiter had appeared as a massive comet

** List of things we should find, explain or discover if Velikovsky's theory is correct. They include the Red Spot storm as the possible ejection place of Venus from Jupiter, Venus is in lock step with earth which is suggested to happen when planetary bodies have had close encounters, Venus as new planet is very hot (hottest planet in the solar system) and few impact craters ...

** Velikovsky suggests that Venus will cool down every few years as it is a new planet
 
Title: Comet Venus - Comet Venus
Post by: electrobleme on May 19, 2010, 07:16:01
Comet Venus - Comet Venus


** New Kingdom Queens = Venus = 2 plumes with solar disk (normally red) enclosed by horns = Velikovskys Comet Venus when it first appeared. Red orb of hot new Venus and material being ejected part of the comet tail

** Comet Venus born from Jupiter/Ptah had encounters with earth.

** Section describing the "dirty snowball" theory of comets

** earths magnetosphere/magnetotail is seperated by the plasma sheath. if dust/debris or something lights up the magnetotail then it would appear as 2 plumes = Amuns 2 plumes in his crown

** Venus has no real magnetosphere so solar plasma wind is removing its atmosphere and also means the tail or plumes would appear to come directly from the planet with no "front" part

** Venus tail although "invisible" still touches earth when we are aligned.  Venus more stable orbit today but when planet born dust and volatiles would have been removed/ejected

** bow shock = cow horns = isis and hathor. bow shock enveloped Venus as virtually no magnetosphere. other planetary bodies also had bow shock during this time. bow shock as 2 cow horns protecting the astral kings
Title: Re: Comet Venus - Comet Venus
Post by: electrobleme on May 19, 2010, 07:23:09

Re: Comet Venus - Comet Venus

have to say that i am surprised about the mention of comets as "dirty snowballs" as the Electric Universe theory seems to have predicted that they are not, and then space science is slowly proving that they are rocks and nothing to do with ice.

the electric comet theory would i think help further the claims of Planet Venus as Comet Venus, considering that when it was born its charge potential difference would have been much higher than the electric solar system it entered.

even Comet Venus was not born from Jupiter but a body from outside the solar system it would still have glowed like a comet due to the difference in charge
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on May 19, 2010, 20:20:49
Hi all,

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"those alive knew what it all meant, it was obvious, common knowledge or either esoteric knowledge. but if the world changes, time passes and common knowledge changes then it is just a painting or an image. we may understand bits of it but we also know that nothing in the images is random, it all conveys a message, tells a story"

You've hit the nail on the head there Matt. 'Normal' in ancient times was the absolute domination of events in the heavens. The art along with every single image, picture, carving, hieroglyphs - all owes its origins to celestial events. It has little if anything to do with events here on earth apart from ancient cultures doing their best to records such events (in veneration). It's the very reason why the images and text were considered sacred. I would strongly argue ancient history is upside down!  

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"if the God King planets were chosen to be the astral double of the Pharaoh or ruling king at that time then did they choose a lady to rule? was she linked to the king at that time? if it was a man did they have to accept a queen planet as their double?"

I know what you are saying but I would put it the other way round. In the eyes of the ancients, it was the sky-gods who dictated astral kingship. Humans merely did their best to follow 'divine order.' So god-king planets came first, humans doubles chosen second.

This raises some probing questions, such as what happened if the planet king died (moved away from earth) before its human counterpart? What if the human double died before the planet? Probably too much to go into here just now, but in my first book I discuss this very issue and offer some thought provoking answers. Such as the possibility earth bound kings were ritually sacrificed at the end of their reign (following the doctrine of heaven). Egyptologists (Bob Brier) do actually discuss the possibly of this, but of course, they haven't a clue as to why the AE's may have done this.      

Hatshepsut
Obviously, the earthly Egyptian monarchy, the Egyptian elite,  did their very best to keep the royal blood line going and keep it in the family. Unfortunately chaos, many times threw up some surprising doctrines such as placing Venus/Hatshepsut as the 'foremost of the noble women.' Venus/Hatshepsut 'outsizing,' thus outranking other bodies to rule, not in her normal role as 'kings great wife,' but as Pharaoh in her own right. Her domination of the heavens meant she took on the role of intermediatary between heaven and earth. A role normally ascribed to the dominant kingly Mars (later joined by, mercury and the moon).

Notice the deep red flesh on Hatshepsut's statues. This is indicative of Venus coming close enough to earth as to reveal a deep red incandescent orb. Normally only the kings were painted the traditional deep red.

I actually think it is ludicrous to believe a female would go around wearing a false beard, kingly skirt and be depicted without breasts. We are led to believe Hatshepsut was an assertive woman who would stop at nothing in her quest to become pharaoh. And yet she then proceeds to dress up as a bloke! Absurd.  Just as with the illusive kingly crowns (none found), to my knowledge no false beards have been found. The beard should attributed to a trait shown by all bodies - cometary traits, or should I say bearded tails. The shepherds crook was planetary bodies shepherding numerous personified bodies, the kas (doubles) of the Egyptians, yet another basic trait of the sky kings. The kings also wore the flail, this was to keep the astral populace in order, a good whack should sort them out!          

Other epithets given to Venus Hatshepsut.

'Like a god she brings peace and prosperity to Egypt'
'Her beauty is unsurpassed.'

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"the image above is said to be the Pharaoh Queen Hatshepsut. It seems to have the wig/crown of Hathor. was it interchangeable, is this the female Pharaoh Hatshepsut or Hathor?"

I would personally go with the personification of Venus/Hatshepsut.

In recent documentaries Z. Hawass believes he has identified Hatshepsut's mummy, however, many Egyptologists disagree with his 'evidence.' They even go so far as to accuse him of 'following the money' with his 'Hollywood' style documentaries.  

Sphinx
Many kings and queens were depicted in sphinx form. I believe the sphinx represents a planetary body amidst the dust on the horizon. Recumbent because it appeared stationary. It's possible the front paws represent the plumed cometary tails of Comet Venus pointing towards earth.    

Gender traits and why (in short).  
Mars, once a earth-like planet basically battled itself to death. This was observed for millennia, hence Mars the god of War, and so male. Venus, basically a new planet in the process of cooling down. Trailing cometary tails but no working dynamo to destroy, no intrinsic magnetic field to rip apart, no vast oceans and mountain rages to catastrophically disperse into space - in other words, in ancient eyes, no warring, aggressive male traits observed. A beautiful and seemingly serene queen gracing our skies -  a relative passive but supportive queen to the perennial warring Mars. This was despite Venus no doubt being pummelled by space debris. Its viscous surface assimilated anything thrown at it. The sound 'glug' springs to mind.    

Hatshepsut and Thuthmose
I identify Thuthmose with the Moon predominantly (there are other reasons) because of the name i.e. Thuthmose means 'born of the god Thoth.'  As it fell under the influence of the earth, the moon went through numerous guises. Sometimes appearing relatively small (Thoth) other times outranking (out sizing) Mars, Venus, Mercury to become 'born of Thoth' and Egypt's greatest warrior pharaoh Thuthmose. The warring aspect due to the moon observed battling up incalculable amounts of debris during capture.

A rough sequential order of Hatshepsuts era.
Venus/Hatshepsut crosses the orbit of Earth with the Moon/Thuthmose and tons of other stuff in tow (following the DA of circa 1,000 B.C.) This being the main reason why Venus/Hatshepsut outranks all other bodies for about 20 years (as the record). Initially, Venus and the Moon (appearing almost equal in size) rule together but then, just as the record shows, the moon/Thuthmose III disappears from the records. He isn't mentioned anywhere. No images, no references, nothing. Thuthmose seems to have disappeared of the face of the earth. This has led Egyptologists to erroneously speculate he was away training with the army amongst other things. This is incorrect, it is simply the moon/Thuthmose vacating the skies above. I  would guess the other side of the earth, either way, the absence of records means Thuthmose as the moon wasn't seen.  Hatshepsut/Venus looming larger than ever naturally declares herself pharaoh, sole ruler, god king of Egypt. Unfortunately, the moon has other ideas, warring Thuthmose comes back into view with a vengeance. It is now the turn of Venus/Hatshepsut to literally disappear from the records. (The records shows Egypt's monarchy magically disappeared and appeared many times, hence the mass confusion over the genealogy of royal figures). It is not know what happed to Hatshepsut, no records exist as to the cause of her death.  This is because Venus either moved to the background thus warranting a name change or perhaps she reverted back to her role as 'great wife' to a version of Mars, Amenhotep II ('Amun is pleased') or even the Moon still adorning the Thuthmose name.      

A number of years later the Egyptians look back at the time when a queen ruled Egypt as king and believe this must be a mistake. How can a queen rule as god-king, our fathers must have made a mistake. They subsequently, and in light of the 'normal order' of warring kings ruling the heavens, expunge  any record of Hatshepsut from the annuls of history via a chisel.  

It is with enigmatic episodes such a Hatshepsut's reign where we will find a rough idea as to the movements of the planets.  

Gg
Title: Re: Comet Venus - Amun and Warfare
Post by: The Aten on May 20, 2010, 16:57:20

the last paragraph of the chapter i dont understand ...

"Other sky kings incorporated Montu's name into theirs. For example, Montuhotep which means Montu is content. This is obviously an elusion to the waring aspect of Mars."

The warring aspect of Mars amidst intense fiery auroral storms was attributed to the war god Montu. In an act of appeasement, the AE's so named Mars at this particular time Montuhotep meaning 'Motu is content' - meaning the god Montu is pleased, content, satisfied  (either one) because he has war, or he is in his element. 

GG
Title: the power behind the throne
Post by: electrobleme on May 22, 2010, 01:53:34
thanks gary, very informative and as interesting as always

i had wondered about what happened to the pharaoh if their planet king moved, especially when reading the stuff about pharaohs suddenly appearing to not exist. it would seem to back up the idea that the pharaoh was linked to the planets. the power behind the throne!

Hatshepsut - could she have been erased if the comet venus created disaster and catastrophe on earth or attacked another god king?

Title: the white net in the sky
Post by: electrobleme on May 25, 2010, 07:07:20

read this and thought of whats been discussed. Hephaistos is an interesting god, would his lameness mean he didnt really move in the skies and his net is a white dust band?


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Perhaps Homer has passed along a useful clue: The Greeks attributed the forging of thunderbolts to Hephaistos. Homer further recounts that Hephaistos forged a net, "fine as gossamer but quite unbreakable," which he used to entangle his wife, unfaithful Aphrodite (the moon) and her tempestuous lover, Ares (the planet Mars), and bind them together long enough for several other gods to come by and make sport of them (6).

Could this net have been another of Hephaistos' electrical artifacts?

This question occurred to me one day as I was leafing through a newly purchased paperback with the rather unexciting title Gaseous Conductors- Theory and Engineering Applications (7). There on page 189 was a photograph of two spheres with sparks streaming between them. The photo caption and accompanying text described the phenomenon as the "formative stages of sphere-gap breakdown . . ." with "well-defined spark channels being propagated from anode to cathode. In addition, there is evidence of a glow discharge throughout the gap." My mind's eye saw Mars and the moon struggling to part from one another in the skies of the eighth century.

Is it conceivable that Mars and the moon could have been intimately bound- presumably orbiting one another at close range -- by gravitational and electromagnetic forces and joined by electrical streamers for so long a period - hours? days? -- as to give rise to Homer's outrageous tale?

More pointedly, could sparks have reached out and bridged empty space between two planets orbiting at a distance great enough to spare them gravitational disruption?
OF THE MOON AND MARS part I - The Origins Of The Lunar Sinuous Rilles | Ralph E. Juergens (http://saturniancosmology.org/juergensa.htm)
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on May 25, 2010, 11:06:53
Wow, it is just breathtaking that the Juergens article was written in the 70s. It is like time has stood still since then.

The gossamer mesh could have been separate streamers of current leaving Mars or the Moon and then travelling in a spiral, and this would allow the streamers to appear to cross over each other, thus creating a mesh effect. Perhaps this could be described in terms of Birkeland Currents.

As to what orbits the planets would be in to produce such an effect, the spiralling current of streamers would need to be travelling straight towards Earth, more or less, to produce the mesh effect. So perhaps the Moon acted to protect the Earth during a conjunction with Mars when there was a full Moon, by being the cathode or anode of this current of streamers. The mesh effect could then last some days. Maybe also when not a full Moon and Mars in conjunction, the current of streamers discharged on Earth or the ionosphere and produced poor visual conditions, amongst other effects.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on May 25, 2010, 19:44:46
The beauty of the GKS is it gives us an historical account (chronology permitting) of the movements of the planets. The ancient Egyptians have laid out the whole sequence of events on the walls throughout Egypt. There are no half measures here, all images and sacred inscriptions record the events of above. For example the record shows that Thuthmose III led  18 consecutive military campaigns to western Asia. Leading from the front and riding a chariot of gold and electrum. This is the moon Thuthmose (born of Thoth) initially observed somewhere above Egypt only to venture north east - fearlessly crash headlong into countless tons of debris in the process. A process repeated for 18 years. It is said that he laid siege to Megiddo for 7 months, this is the moon Thuthmose appearing stationary for 7 months to the north above Megiddo. Possibly, the moon in a geosynchronous orbit.

As you know, I deem such battles impossible, more importantly totally unverified. Personally I wouldn't risk the lives of 20,000 men across blistering deserts without a good meaningful reason. If I had to go to war, I get the job done in one go, and not have to go back there year in, year out. That would be absurd!    

By the same token, I look to the history of the Hatshepsut era and see no recorded event of queen Venus attacking another god king. Besides if this physically occurred resulting in untold devastation on earth, from ground level it would be deemed as the work of the cosmogonical gods such as Sekhmet (fiery sky). Again, no record of this appears.

Around the time of Amenhotep III (Mars) 400 statues of Sekhmet have been disinterred. This reveals that the sky was deadly around this time. This is no surprise to me as this was shortly before the electromagnetic extraction of mars' core to (initially) become the Aten (Amarna period).

The record shows that after Hatshepsut's Venus magical disappearance, Thuthmose III then married a queen called Hatshepsut-Merytre ('foremost of the elite, beloved of Re?'). This cannot be a coincidence.

From this I would sumise, Hatshepsut Venus doesn't disappear - Thuthmose as the moon moves to the forefront thus outsizing Hatshepsut Venus. Venus is subsequently (naturally) demoted to become the wife of the god king Thuthmose. In doing so, she is adorned with a similar name to that previous held, Hatshepsut-Merytre (names as per location and attributes).

History reveals Mars was also around during Hatshepsut's reign. That would be the queens steward Senenmut. Among some of his titles, he was the chief architect, overseer of the works, chief steward of Amun (aurora), steward of the barque (astral), Overseer of the granaries of Amun, of the fields of Amun, of the garden of Amun, and of the weavers of Amun. For Mars to be a 'steward,' it must have been well in the background. It would next move to the foreground as Amenhotep II ('Amun is content') shortly after the 'death' (moving away or out of sight) of Thuthmose III.

All as history records, I merely transfer it to the heavens above where it belongs.  

Gg
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on May 27, 2010, 15:54:19
I knew I got this somewhere. From my first book 'An Ancient World in Chaos.'

The ‘outsizing’ of Mars (and any other possible rogue bodies) by Hatshepsut/Venus is recorded on the walls of her mortuary temple at Deir el-Bahri.

Her majesty grew beyond everything; to look upon her was more beautiful than anything; her [unknown] was like a god, her form was like a god, she did everything as a god, her splendour was like a god; her majesty (fem.) was a maiden, beautiful, blooming, Buto (goddess) in her time. She made her divine form to flourish, a favour of him that fashioned her.’

(Translation from J. H. Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt (New York, 1962), vol 2, p 81-98 ? my bold emphasis)

Gg
Title: planet configurations and the day of doom
Post by: electrobleme on May 28, 2010, 15:09:03
I knew I got this somewhere. From my first book 'An Ancient World in Chaos.'

The ‘outsizing’ of Mars (and any other possible rogue bodies) by Hatshepsut/Venus is recorded on the walls of her mortuary temple at Deir el-Bahri.

Her majesty grew beyond everything; to look upon her was more beautiful than anything; her [unknown] was like a god, her form was like a god, she did everything as a god, her splendour was like a god; her majesty (fem.) was a maiden, beautiful, blooming, Buto (goddess) in her time. She made her divine form to flourish, a favour of him that fashioned her.’

(Translation from J. H. Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt (New York, 1962), vol 2, p 81-98 ? my bold emphasis)

Gg



your last couple of posts are immense (not saying that the others were not of course!)

the quote above seems to sum up what you say in your book and another nail in the mainstream egyptologist coffin not found in the pyramids supposedly built for them

your previous post about how the planets/moons moved across the sky is awesome. i know you have lots of content to write for you own books/site but do you have a rough guide to what happened and where the planets were in the skies that you are going to put on your site?

i know that Mo is very interestrd in mapping the planets paths/positions in the sky ... would you have say an short example of 1 planet with your suspected dates and then we could see if there is anything else to tie it into around the world or be able to see how you came to the conclusion?

i also have to say that your GKS certainly helps me with the whole EU Saturn Model/Polar Configuration idea that "mainsteam EU"(!) promote. when you first discover the EU theory it makes sense and although you are trying to break the mind conditioning they then suddenly spring on you the saturn model! with what you not just say but have logically shown and we can see with our own eyes really helps me to understand more the idea that the planets did move about and create different configurations

the fact that planets could change orbits should be an accepted fact of an electric universe but the chaos that must have happened and our own fear of doomsday seems to have been confirmed

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on May 29, 2010, 18:42:20
Just found these.

Ramesses II before the gods Ptah (Jupiter) and Sekhmet (fiery sky).

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkACkMnhFU0/S9Ac9pzUyVI/AAAAAAAAKdc/bblG3njdGYg/s1600/190_9043.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkACkMnhFU0/S9Ac9ci1SEI/AAAAAAAAKdU/DG8Gjh2U52c/s320/190_9041.JPG)Thoth on the left. In this particular case the primary guise of the Moon

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkACkMnhFU0/S9Ad3HEeaxI/AAAAAAAAKds/44Q1BQ2IUhs/s1600/190_9042a.jpg)

In the context of the God King Scenario Ramesses ("Fashioned by Re,"  "strong and right like Re," "The Re of rulers.") was one of the many guises of Mars. I see the above images as Mars/Ramesses (in conjuntion with Jupiter/Ptah) acting like electrical generator as it travels through Earth's plasmasphere or simply passing through the suns atmosphere. Either way electrical streamers/filaments were observed surrounding Mars/Ramesses and these took on tree-like apparitions, exactly as depicted.

Gg
Title: Ramesses, one of the many guises of the warring Mars.
Post by: The Aten on June 01, 2010, 16:58:22
Meanwhile....

Ramesses/Mars (Mars a red disk, 'offspring' (Sa Re) of the red Sun)

"Fashioned by Re"

"son of Re, of his body."

"strong and right 'like' Re, chosen of Re."

"thou art Re, thy body is his body."

"the Re of rulers."

"Lo, I was Re over the people.."

"Thou comest as living Re to the people: the southland and Northland are beneath thy feet (literally)... the duration of the all Lord when he rises...." (this is not a reference to Ramesses getting out of bed!)

"Shining upon the Horus-throne of the living like his father, Re, everyday"

"They praised this Good God (Ramesses), magnifying his beauty in his presence."

"... our king, our Lord, our Sun..."

"Who makes all men live when he has shone on them."

Source; Breasted.

And so on, and so on as with numerous pharaohs of the NK.

It is clear a celestial body in the image of the red sun is being spoken about here. 

Selective reading? Absolutely not, I simply opened Breasted's book and spent five minutes reading a few paragraphs!

Gg

http://gks.uk.com/

Title: Ramesses was Mars
Post by: The Aten on June 01, 2010, 20:49:40
A few more celestial 'sacred inscriptions' on Ramesses/Mars

http://www.gks.uk.com/gks4/  (scroll down)

It begs the question as to why scholars are completly oblivious to such celestial connotations?!!

GG

Title: The Pharaohs new clothes? why did the Pharaohs have see through dresses?
Post by: electrobleme on June 02, 2010, 19:09:52
Just found these.

Ramesses II before the gods Ptah (Jupiter) and Sekhmet (fiery sky).

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkACkMnhFU0/S9Ac9pzUyVI/AAAAAAAAKdc/bblG3njdGYg/s1600/190_9043.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkACkMnhFU0/S9Ac9ci1SEI/AAAAAAAAKdU/DG8Gjh2U52c/s320/190_9041.JPG)Thoth on the left. In this particular case the primary guise of the Moon

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GkACkMnhFU0/S9Ad3HEeaxI/AAAAAAAAKds/44Q1BQ2IUhs/s1600/190_9042a.jpg)

In the context of the God King Scenario Ramesses ("Fashioned by Re,"  "strong and right like Re," "The Re of rulers.") was one of the many guises of Mars. I see the above images as Mars/Ramesses (in conjuntion with Jupiter/Ptah) acting like electrical generator as it travels through Earth's plasmasphere or simply passing through the suns atmosphere. Either way electrical streamers/filaments were observed surrounding Mars/Ramesses and these took on tree-like apparitions, exactly as depicted.

Gg


what an image, not seen much like that before or remember that many

looking at Ramesses II he also has that "skirt" on which could be his cometary tail or something to do with Mars atmosphere/magnetosphere? Are his legs the twin tail?

(http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100311venusat.jpg) (http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/image10/100311tut.gif)

image on the left how a planet turned into a comet planet would appear and image on the right showing how comet venus appeared - was the atmosphere pushed into the shape? are the lines in the skirt birkeland currents?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Birkeland-sheath-filaments-surrounding-Earth-28-pairs.jpg)
birkeland currents around the earth


what is strange abou the skirt is that it is see through. if its a skirt then it covers his legs and there is zero need to show his legs. therefore, and i dont like to do absolutes, it is not a skirt.


gary, just wondering if you have any thoughts on egyptian art and why they painted the kings/gods in that strange way with the body/arms/head at different perspectives. or is perspectives and the God King Scenario what its all about?



Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on June 04, 2010, 19:59:14
Hi Matt,

The kings (and some queens) were often shown wearing pleated see-through attire. Sometimes this would take the form of pleated pyramid skirts. Some look like a distinct pyramid (as below)  others less defined as in the image of Ramesses in his 'electrical tree' above.  

(http://euler.slu.edu/~bart/egyptarchive/metmuseum/thutmose-I.jpg)
The transparent attire has little to do with cometary tails. Tails when observed were, as with the statues dedicated to Ramesses/Mars at Abu Simbel and the comet Venus images represented in the headgear,  and overall symbolically represented in the traditional Pharaonic beard.

The key here is again the dust and debris of earth's rings and possibly the ecliptic haze which in all probability was swept into rings (stripes from earth) by planetary bodies and lesser moon sized debris. Saturn's rings are a good analogy.

 (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/satun%27s%20rings2.jpg)(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Saturn%27s%20waves.jpg)
Now compare the above with the 'stripes' frequently worn by Egypt's monarchy and I think you'll see what I'm getting at.  
(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/nemes%20headcloth.jpg#)(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/nemes%20headcloth2.jpg)(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Tuts%20mask.jpg)

The nemes striped headcloth and transparent attire invented as a direct result of the astral pharaohs appearing within and illuminating the dusty stripes in the heavens.  

The lines or stripes above were also responsible for the pyramid skirts.

The above NASA photo shows the effect of one of Saturn's moons 'gravitationally' perturbing its rings. It is natural to assume the astral kings had a similar effect, forming shapes and shadows with in earth's rings (or ecliptic rings). I believe one of the most distinctive shapes formed was that of a pyramid, although in actuality this may have been a straight line that appeared to fan out from earth's POV (An analogy would be a road off into infinity).

Although I cannot find any distinct pyramids shapes in Saturn's rings, some moons do form shadows, these from Saturn's surface would appear pyramid-like. Of course we have to take into account the angle of the Sun. But it's possible the planets generated their own or reflected light and from earth's POV these looked like pyramids. This is the reason why numerous kings were depicted wearing such unusual pyramid skirts and the very reason why they built some 90-odd pyramids.


The Nubians in the south also build hundreds of pyramids although these took on a much more of an acute angle. Perhaps further south, and due to earth's axis, the sky pyramids appeared more acute.    

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/pyramid%20skirt.jpg)

Ramesses/Mars II replete with pyramid skirt and the disk of Mars above his head.



(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Thutmose_III_and_Hatshepsut.jpg)

Tuthmosis/Moon offering to Hatshepsut/Venus, again pyramid skirts.  

There's a bit more about the above here http://www.gks.uk.com/gks2/ (scroll down) and here http://www.gks.uk.com/gks9/
 




I knew I'd got this somewhere!  

Senenmut/Mars in the background (hence smaller) offering to Hatshepsut/Venus in the foreground.
Senemut Mars also wearing the pyramid skirt. 
  
(http://gks.uk.com/images/Sennemut.JPG)

Only in a world of cosmic catatrophe can we make sense of such imagery.

Will get back to you on the other bits soon.

Gg
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Mo on June 06, 2010, 08:02:58
If there were rings around the Earth then pointed 'pyramid' skirt could well have only be seen looking in one particular direction. From Egypt that was presumably a southwest direction assuming the rings were above the equator. The point would be just above the horizon in a southwesterly direction. Thus the positioning of planet Mars, when electrically interacting with another body, could have been indicated by the pointed skirt. And opens the possibility of other directions and positions in the sky being depicted by various items.
Mo
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on June 06, 2010, 20:02:51
I think you're spot on there Mo,  

The imagery of the Egyptians reveals much as to the location, attributes, behaviour, etc. etc. of our planetary kings.  

A few simple examples

The Sun (Re) was mainly perceived to sail the celestial Nile (adjacent to the terrestrial Nile) in his 'barque of millions of years.'

We can use the pace and the daily motion of the Sun as a measure.

If the monarchy are depicted sailing, then, this means they crossed the sky at roughly the same pace as the Sun. If they accompany Re in his boat, or adorned the common epithet 'beloved of Re' or 'chosen of Re' (very common with NK kings) I would guess they were near to, or as good as followed the path of the sun very closely.  

If the king is shown seated on a throne, this implies a more or less stationary body, a body such as Mars in a geosynchronous orbit with earth. The actions portrayed should then give us a good idea as to what Mars was doing while seated on his divine throne. For example some images depict a seated Tutankhamun/Mars ('Lordly manifestation of Re') offering to his wife Ankhesenamun (wearing the comet Venus crown). As below.

(http://www.egyptiandreams.co.uk/images/stencils/tutankhamun_and_ankhesenamun_m.jpg)
Mars and Venus in conjunction. Comet Venus sucking volatiles from Tut/Mars in an almost stationary event.  

(http://www.moerfoundation.org/ShoppingCart/images/320lg.jpg)
Above is Tut/Mars and his wife Ankhesenamun/Venus taking a leisurely cruise on the celestial Nile amidst electrical spites (lotus flower). Mars and Venus in conjunction 'sailing' at roughly the same leisurely pace as the Sun.

Note Ankhesenamun offering lotus flowers (Sprites) to Tut, this reveals gigantic Sprites were once observed emanating from Venus, probably in the direction of Tut/Mars. Perhaps I should make a prediction and say sprites will one day be discovered discharging from Venus??

To my knowledge there seems to be a number of seated kings around the time of the Amarna Period. This would tie in with my time scale of the electromagnetic extraction of Mars' core to become the planet Mercury (7-8th century BC). Mars locking into orbit above the Himalayas, the larger magnet of earth sucking out the smaller magnet of Mars and dumping *hitloads of vaporized sand across Asia and Africa in the process. Forming one enormous iron-rich sand scar http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100408sahara.htm (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100408sahara.htm).

If the king was shown fearlessly charging into the enemy in a chariot of gold and electrum. Then I would suggest that this was a planetary body obtaining a faster speed than the Sun, vanquishing up the countless tons of debris (enemy) in the process.

The iconic 'smiting' scenes  where the pharaoh is depicted standing and in the act of dispatching the enemy, was Mars (or other bodies) appearing as good as stationary, battling up debris. Quite possible a siege (the accompanying text may reveal more).

If the king is shown offering to Harmakhet (Horus in the Horizon). This would be Mars literally appearing in the thick dusty band of earth's atmosphere (Horus being the embodiment of kingship - Horus, the protector of the gods). This occurred many times as Mars locked into orbit above the Himalayas. From the local of Egypt, this was Mars in (to us today, on) the horizon.  

The kings offering to Hathor - Mars seemingly residing peacefully in earths rings (although in actuality, still battling itself to death).  Offering to Isis, bodies residing within the ecliptic haze. Offering to Amun or accepting the sceptre from Amun equals Mars amidst an aurora dominated sky, and so on and so on.  

Each image has to be taken on its own merit.

We also have to take into account a certain amount of symbolism.

I'll try and dig out a few more pyramid skirt images.

Gg
Title: SIS review of "Amun - an Ancient Aurora filled sky" TPOD
Post by: electrobleme on June 14, 2010, 16:13:34

review by Society for Interdisciplinary Studies of gary gilligans "Amun - an Ancient Aurora filled sky" TPOD that was on thunderbolts. showing how his idea may fit into and explain other myths and legends. which is the sign of a good theory or idea.

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Ancient Aurorae
3 May 2010

At www.thunderbolts.info April 28th, 'Picture of the Day', ... 'Amun - an Ancient Aurora filled sky' by Gary Gilligan. He claims the Egyptian god Amun wears a crown that is the aurora - sacred colours that have been eroded or flaked away from stone monuments over the millennia. The parallel is of course with the bright tail feathers of the quetzal bird, cognate within the Mesoamerican god Quetzalcoatl. Such stone statues and monuments, even temples and buildings, were once colourful affairs. Sometimes these can be put back into place by computer simulation - but generally, most of the evidence has been lost - or even brushed aside by archaeologists intent on the visible object in front of them rather than it's detritus on the ground. Apparently, Mesopotamian ziggurats were colourful buildings - reflecting aurora (perhaps). Therefore this particular post on Thunderbolts is relevant, and in the same vein. Amun is commonly shown in a human form standing or sitting on a throne and wearing a red flat topped crown with two tall plumes. He also holds a sceptre - symbol of the thunderbolt. Amun was especially popular in the NK period (mid to late 2nd millennium BC) and he was known as King of the Gods (at that moment in time). Gilligan produces an image of Amun with blue skin, a yellow kilt and red crown. the two tall plumes are segmented into blue, red, and green. He then compares this with a photograph of aurora and suggests the crown is a symbolic representation of an intense geomagnetic storm. A wonderful insight.

Amun was also known as 'the hidden one' - possibly reflecting the transparency of auroral phenomena, 'whose true form could never be known' (the undulating shape shifting nature of aurorae). Gilligan then says the solar wind is deflected around the earth to form an enormous magnetic tail divided into two lobes rising and setting in opposition to the Sun. Nowadays this is invisible but he speculates it could account for the two mountains as in the title of Amun, Lord of the Two Mountains (and parallels with myth elsewhere in the world are obvious). This is possibly why he was adorned by two plumes, Gilligan thinks, rather than a single one (and we may note the tail feathers of the quetzal bird are also two). In addition, Gilligan has found a parallel between the blue skinned Amun and the Anglo Saxon god Woden - the colour of blue appears to play a major role in myth (see also the blue Krishna for example).
Ancient Aurorae | sis-group.org.uk (http://www.sis-group.org.uk/news/ancient-aurorae.htm)
Title: Tal-Qadi slab: evidence of solar system chaos and planets orbits changing?
Post by: electrobleme on June 15, 2010, 03:53:09
Tal-Qadi slab: evidence of solar system chaos and planets orbits changing?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/tal-qadi-slab-forum.jpg) (http://www.electricyouniverse.com/eye/index.php?level=picture&id=993)
Tal-Qadi slab - worlds in collision?


is the Tal-Qadi slab evidence of solar system chaos and planets orbits changing? below is a quote from the great book Malta: Echoes of Plato's Island that suggests Malta was the island of Atlantis.

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Kurt Schildman is the President of the Studiengemeinshaft Deutscher Linguisten. He deciphered the Indus script in 1994, and has since identified variants of this archaic script in several sites. According to Schildman, the inscription on the Tal-Qadi slab is in old Sanskrit, an earlier medium of communication than the indus script. His translation of it runs thus.

"Called upon is the large and might female planet which is visible from
The earth, counted from outside, the seventh planet.
The increasing moon, a symbol of power, some event is taking place.
The sun and nine planets, our solar system
The large mighty femal planet has arrived, the forth planet in our solar system, counted from outside"

Malta: Echoes of Plato's Island (book)



You can view the Tal-Qadi slab at the National Museum of Archaeology, Republic Street, Valletta, Malta. This is what i wrote about it a year or so ago "Is this a Maltese Temple Builders Solar/Heavenly Calendar os it it an ancient historic record of an Electrical Universe event seen in the skies?"

It makes no sense as a calendar but looks more like a record of something important that had happened.

Title: egyptian duality and the winged disk
Post by: electrobleme on July 14, 2010, 18:15:28

the image and quote below was sent to me by a member of the forum, i hope they dont mind me posting it here.




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(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/winged-disk-egyptian-duality.jpg)
egyptian duality seen in winged disk

I attached an image that you have in your forum that talks about Mars and Venus.
 
This is an interesting picture. If I may, I would like to interpret it
the way I see it. I had to adjust the perspective to get a more
accurate image to work with.
 
First the great and grand winged disk. This collection of symbols
conveys a huge message to me that is magnetic in nature. This
represents light and how it works. The two snakes represent the two
magnetic forces of the universe one negative and one positive and they
orbit together. They are the driving force behind the motion of the
light as the wings are being supported by serpents and they carry the
light being created and maintained by the two magnetic forces. The
reason why I consider them opposite energies is their headdress The
two hat tell me they represent two different forces in nature. A
headdress in out society tell us who is what right? You can tell a
fireman just by looking at his hat. This is similar but it deals with
universal forces.
 
The relief below the winged disk also shows how magnetic forces create
mirrored images and how likes repel. If you look at the two sides they
are 99% identical. The only difference is in the two snakes that bind
the light and two glyphs right beside Amun's headdress. When you cut
and flip the image the headdresses will overlap creating the combined
headdress of Atum. The center text is the only part that cannot be
flipped without crossing the hieroglyphs so I only flip what is within
the frame.
 
Because the winged disk is at the top of almost every doorway and
tablet like you see here is because they may have felt that this is
the creator of all and everything is derived from the magnetic light
that flies above all. It is also a great representation of double
layers being the creators of the universe and all that exists.
 
These symbols can be interpreted all kinds of ways I guess.

Remelic
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on July 16, 2010, 03:05:26
The duality of magnetic force is exactly as is detectable.
I spent half a day last week in the Assyrian and Egyptian hall of the british museum, it is amazing how nobody questions me dowsing in there.
The statues are manipulating the flows about themselves, they are functional, not decorative.
Kevin
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on July 17, 2010, 00:15:50
any statues in particular that you can explain what was happening or can you expand on what was happening?

is it similar to menhirs or are they different? do you get it with any old christian statues?
Title: Comet Venus - The White Crown
Post by: electrobleme on July 30, 2010, 03:06:39


Comet Venus - The White Crown


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/egyptian-crowns-white-upper-lower-unified.jpg)
egyptian crowns - white crown and the upper and lower crowns of egypt


** colour of queens center orb= venus as seen in the skies = different colours = different conditions of venus.

** Why black plumes of Hathor though?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/comet-west-egyptian-crown-plumes-tower.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/comet-west-egyptian-crown-plumes.jpg) (http://www.gks.uk.com/images/Ankhsunamun%20Comet%20Venus.jpg)
Comet West or comet planets as inspiration for egyption crown plumes?


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/Comet-Hale-Bopp-nefertaris-crown-image.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/Comet-Hale-Bopp-nefertaris-crown.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/egyptian-white-crown-plumes-upperegypt-comets-tower.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/egyptian-white-crown-plumes-upperegypt-comets.jpg)
Comet Hale-Bopp. did venus as a planet comet inspired nefertaris crown?



** the White Crown of Upper Egypt was a representation of the early form of Comet Venus


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/white-crown-upper-lower-united-egypt.jpg)
the white crown of upper egypt, the red crown of lower egypt and the united crown


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/white-crown-upper-egypt-comets.jpg)
white crown of upper egypt and comet venus


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/osiris-white-crown-upper-egypt.jpg)
osiris wearing and is the white crown  (comet venus) of upper egypt


** Upper Egypt = the heavens (comet venus chosen as symbol). Lower Egypt = earth (flat)

** at start comet venus = osiris (whiteness in the heavens). Osiris king of the gods. eventually Venus settled down into its orbit and became the queen to whatever planet/pharaoh was ruling the skies at that time. the original image of comet venus symbolised kingship and other normal comets reminded egyptians of the original white crown so it remained as the symbol of the ruler.

** the pharaoh (God King planet) "wore" a white, red or double crown depending on where they were in the skies. white = high above, red = on horizon and double = in middle

** no king or pharaoh crowns have ever been found!


** the God King Scenario - Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks13/) by Gary Gilligan




Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on August 10, 2010, 02:56:36
Nefertiti (Venus) and the Aten (mercury) in their original colour.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre (http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre)

Quote:

“We have red sun rays and yellow sun rays,” said Gohary. It’s a mystery why the Aten was depicted this way. One idea is that maybe the red sun rays are sunrise or sunset or something like that,” he added.
“This find raises the question of whether the sun disc itself was depicted in different colours. “They all seem to be more or less the same shade of red.”

They should also be asking as to why the Aten (Mercury!) is never shown with a complete set of 360 degree rays - or why, given Re’s prominence, the AE’s never carved a simple yellow sun with a complete set of sunrays... not one!     


GG
Title: Nefertiti and the colour Amarna Art Talatat blocks
Post by: electrobleme on August 25, 2010, 06:18:20
Nefertiti (Venus) and the Aten (mercury) in their original colour.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre (http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre)

Quote:

“We have red sun rays and yellow sun rays,” said Gohary. It’s a mystery why the Aten was depicted this way. One idea is that maybe the red sun rays are sunrise or sunset or something like that,” he added.
“This find raises the question of whether the sun disc itself was depicted in different colours. “They all seem to be more or less the same shade of red.”

They should also be asking as to why the Aten (Mercury!) is never shown with a complete set of 360 degree rays - or why, given Re’s prominence, the AE’s never carved a simple yellow sun with a complete set of sunrays... not one!     


GG


that article also mentions interesting stuff about Nefertiti in relation to the God King Scenario .. the bit at the end says that only the Pharoahs and not the princesses had amumlets/bracelets with the names of the gods on them.

the article quotes new information from the Amarna Art Talatat blocks which are colour blocks surviving from the pharaoh Akhenaten period.

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Nefertiti’s fashion

“We seem to have rather more representations of the Queen than the King,” said Dr. Gohary, indicating that some of these blocks came from a temple that had a section dedicated to Nefertiti.

Gohary gave a detailed description as to how these blocks portray the Queen.

In addition to her pleated dress, “she has a red sash which is tied underneath the breasts and then hangs down – the ends of the sash hang down to almost mid-calf length,” she said. “She wears different styles of wigs as well.”

“She wears one which is painted blue,” and “has two long pieces that hangs down – one either side of her face and a longer piece at the back.”

There appear to ringlets or some other accessory attached to it. “Sometimes extended from the end of the long blue wig – at the bottom there – is a cobra – which of course is a symbol of protection for royalty.”

She also occasionally wears what we call a Nubian wig, “(a) much shorter wig which is coloured black, again with ringlets,” said Gohary.

Also “frequently she wears a crown with two very tall feathers, it’s a gold crown with two feathers covered in gold,” said Gohary.

“On her forehead she has a double cobra – which is a type of headdress which is worn by her mother in law – Queen Tiye.”

Gohary pointed out that it’s unusual that there are two cobras on Nefertiti – examples from Amarna show her only wearing one. “This is something perhaps which people in the future will be able to study and find some significance to this.”

Armlets and Bracelets

“She wears armlets on her upper arms and bracelets on her wrist, which is usually decorated with the cartouches of the two names of the Aten, the sun disc,” said Dr. Gohary. “The bracelets (are) very brightly coloured, in blue, in green and red, obviously representing gold bracelets which are inlaid with turquoise and carnelian for example.”

Nefertiti’s daughters are depicted a bit differently.

“What is interesting about the princess, that accompanies the Queen, (is) she also wears bracelets but hers are not decorated with the names of the gods,” she said. “It’s only the King and Queen that have them decorated that way.”
Title: Comet Venus - Venus in the guise of Egypts Queens
Post by: electrobleme on August 25, 2010, 07:28:10
Comet Venus - Venus in the guise of Egypts Queens

GKS (God King Scenario)

**  the tall 2 plumed crowns were representations of how venus looked in the skies at that time

** the queen also represented venus - coloured skull caps displaying the colour and also the see through dresses showing its thin atmosphere

** if the queen is shown associated/between with another god or gods then venus was in that gods realm/location in the sky

** if the queen had a crown/headdress without the coloured orb in it then the planet venus itself could have been obscured by its location - either below the earths horizon or by its location around the sun. the double plume of its cometary tail still visible in the sky


Gods wife of Amun

the queens important role was to be "Gods wife of Amun". pharaohs kingship shown by his relationship and position within Amun (the aurora). queens special relationship with Amun due to similar position and the double plume of venus looking similar to the twin tails/plumes of the aurora as it stretched away from earth (the earths magnetotail)


Amun and Venus - a marriage made in heaven

** the earths aurora and its magnetotail were more visible during this time due to solar system conditions - the magnetotail appeared at night as 2 "towers" and moved across the sky opposite to where the sun was. the double plumes of Amun symbolising a relationship with venus/queen - the wife of god.


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/egypts-gods-wife-embrace-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/egypts-gods-wife-embrace.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/ramses-embracing-god-ptah-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/ramses-embracing-god-ptah.jpg)
Egyptians God's wife embrace and the Egypt Pharaoh ritual embrace


** "the god's wife embrace" - an amazing intimate image of the 2 gods shown with their legs between each other - this signifies Venus between the 2 plumes/towers of Amun.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/pharaohs-egypt-gods-embrace-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/pharaohs-egypt-gods-embrace.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/ritual-embrace-egypt-gods-forum.jpg) (http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/ritual-embrace-egypt-gods.jpg)
Egypts Gods wife embrace and the Egyptian Pharaohs and God ritual embrace


** if these are not scenes as described above then the egyptian queen would have had sex with a mythical god to then give birth to the next pharaoh

** all egyptian queens wearing the Comet Venus crown (except Nefertiti) were also "God's Wife". This lasted for 900 years until the end of Cleopatra, the last Queen of Egypt. Meaning the planet Venus appeared as the Comet Venus in earths skies for that period, in all its various forms as shown by the queens physical appearences and associations.

"At the end of this period, the heavens cleared and Venus slowly disapeared into the glare of the sun before re-emerging to shine as a beautiful star in the night sky."

Comet Venus (http://www.gks.uk.com/gks13/) - book by Gary Gilligan



Title: Comet Venus - Mars and Venus
Post by: electrobleme on August 25, 2010, 15:18:12

Comet Venus - Mars and Venus

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/abu-simbel-ramesses-nefertari-mars-venus.jpg)
Abu Simbel - Nefertari (Venus) and Ramesses (Mars)


The plumed Mars

** Other solar system bodies such as Mercury, Mars and the Moon also sometimes had the plumed comet planet tail. the evidence is in the images that adorn the egyptian temples. In the image above of Ramesses (Mars) and wife Nefertari (Venus) the disk of Ramesses (Mars) is smaller than Nefertari (Venus) and this is how they were observed in the sky at that time.

** Ramesses II was the warrior king and his crown displays the physical look of Mars at that time - double plume and red disk.

** Mars and Venus had different effects or results when the solar wind hit them because Venus was brand new planet and Mars much like earth. Venus formed the Hathor horns and Mars "protected" itself and produced a bow shock portrayed as flatter twisted ram horns.


Not the Sun!

** If the orbs on the crowns were the Sun why were they so different? They are not the Sun.


Ramesses, "Beloved of Amun"

"Ramses-MeryAmun, beloved of Amun, like Re, forever ..."

** Ramesses/Mars located in Amun - either in the aurora or amongst its 2 towers/plumes. Venus (female) role in same location could be married or wife of Amun but Mars the warrior in same location could not marry a male god so was beloved of Amun


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/abu-simbel-entrance-standing-pharaoh-god-statues.jpg)
Abu Simbel entrance and the pharoahs/gods/planets - the God King Scene or Scenario :)


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I would like to finish by reiterating that the crowns worn by the monarchy. although deeply significant, were not always representative of the planet's outlines. On the contrary, many times the monarchy became veiled behind a wall of dust and debris with only a hint of a red orb visible. The pictorial representations and accompanying sacred texts must be studied individually to understand exactly what the Egyptians were trying to convey and how they percieved a particular event or occasion.

At Abu Simbel the Egyptians worked the living rock to construct two large temples in honour of Ramesses/Mars and Nefertiti/Venus. Fortunately for us, both planetary bodies are shown in their true form via the crowns. Furthermore, every relief. image, inscription and sacred glyph fully corroborates the GKS.
Comet Venus by Gary Gilligan (http://www.gks.uk.com/)


from the book and website Comet Venus by Gary Gilligan (http://www.gks.uk.com/)
Title: Comet Venus book, review and DIScussion - the end?
Post by: electrobleme on August 25, 2010, 15:29:09

and that is the end of the Comet Venus book review but not, i suspect, the end of the impact of gary gilligans ideas and also the ideas of those who have contributed to this amazing discussion on Egyptian mythology and Catastrophism in an Electric Universe.

i for one will certainly never look at Egyptian gods/pharaohs again in the same light. what is also good is the "transferable skills" of gary's ideas - that you can look at other countries myths and legends and see either where they came from or what they could mean.

great work gary and thanks :)

Title: venus explosion/CME and Nefertiti's ringlets (Amarna Art Talatat blocks)
Post by: electrobleme on August 27, 2010, 07:19:17

the article quotes new information from the Amarna Art Talatat blocks which are colour blocks surviving from the pharaoh Akhenaten period.

Nefertiti’s fashion

“We seem to have rather more representations of the Queen than the King,” said Dr. Gohary, indicating that some of these blocks came from a temple that had a section dedicated to Nefertiti.

Gohary gave a detailed description as to how these blocks portray the Queen.

In addition to her pleated dress, “she has a red sash which is tied underneath the breasts and then hangs down – the ends of the sash hang down to almost mid-calf length,” she said. “She wears different styles of wigs as well.”

“She wears one which is painted blue,” and “has two long pieces that hangs down – one either side of her face and a longer piece at the back.”

There appear to ringlets or some other accessory attached to it. “Sometimes extended from the end of the long blue wig – at the bottom there – is a cobra – which of course is a symbol of protection for royalty.”

She also occasionally wears what we call a Nubian wig, “(a) much shorter wig which is coloured black, again with ringlets,” said Gohary.

Also “frequently she wears a crown with two very tall feathers, it’s a gold crown with two feathers covered in gold,” said Gohary.

“On her forehead she has a double cobra – which is a type of headdress which is worn by her mother in law – Queen Tiye.”

Gohary pointed out that it’s unusual that there are two cobras on Nefertiti – examples from Amarna show her only wearing one. “This is something perhaps which people in the future will be able to study and find some significance to this.”
http://heritage-key.com/blogs/owenjarus/nefertiti-and-aten-colour-16000-amarna-art-talatat-blocks-luxor-original-pigment-pre

when reading this i was intrigued by the mention of ringlets and wondered what it could be, was it related to the cobra thing or totally different. was there anything special it could be?

this youtube video is meant to be of venus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AoQnA503Ck). the thing is at the moment i cant find anything about it from NASA so i am not sure if it is true, a fake or just the sun!

the video is meant to show some object impacting into venus to cause a massive explosion/ejection/eruptian that looks very much like a CME or Coronal Mass Ejection.

if the video of the venus ejection is true then could this explain the Amarna Art Talatat blocks showing Nefertiti with ringlets? could Nefertiti's ringlets be CME's? a multiple event of them or Coronal Mass Ejections happening over a long period?

even if the video is fake does this give us a clue to what might have happened to Venus when it was first born and it was the Velikovsky's Comet Venus?

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/signsandwonders/venus-hit-by-asteroid-meteorite.jpg)
Venus hit by asteroid/meteorite?

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/signsandwonders/venus-nasa-image-impact.jpg)
venus and NASA image of impact?

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/signsandwonders/amarna-art-talatat-blocks.jpg)
Egyptian Amarna art Talatat blocks show Nefertiti with ringlets - is this Venus ejectrion/CME the original inspiration for the Nefertiti's ringlets?

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/signsandwonders/amarna-art-talatat-blocks-nefertiti-ringlets.jpg)
the God King Scenario and Velikovsky's Comet Venus (Nefertiti) with ringlets as shown by the Amarna art Talatat blocks?

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/signsandwonders/venus-cme-coronal-mass-ejection.jpg)
Venus - CME (Coronal Mass Ejection)

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/signsandwonders/cme-coronal-mass-ejection-solar-system-planets.jpg)
CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) from a planet the solar system and not a star? Electric Universe?

(http://www.everythingiselectric.com/images/signsandwonders/egyptian-cobra-royalty-symbol.jpg)
egyptian cobra was a royalty symbol - inspired by CME's (Coronal Mass Ejections)?

Title: The 'Venus Mass Ejection - ghosts in the machine
Post by: electrobleme on August 27, 2010, 18:07:38


as i mentioned in the previous post i couldnt find anything official to do with the Venus Mass Ejection ... here is the NASA STEREO explaination (thanks to Mo for sending me the link)

still, if the egyptian pharaohs were planetary god kings and their physcial likeness at the time were shown in the egyptian temples and statues, what were Nefertiti’s ringlets as shown in the colorful Amarna Art Talatat blocks?


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Welcome to the STEREO Learning Center

Image artifacts - Internal reflections

Light reflecting inside the telescope optics, and diffracting off edges within the telescopes, can produce some interesting effects. Consider this series of images showing the planet Venus leaving the field of view of the HI1-B telescope between Janary 26-31, 2009. As Venus approaches the edge of the field-of-view, a ring shape is seen apparently coming out of the planet. This is caused by reflections of the bright planet off of the camera barrel. (If you look closely at the full-field version of the January 26, 2009 image above, you'll see a large, faint bubble on the left side of the image, which is also an internal reflection of Venus.) The ring grows progressively larger as time goes by. On January 31, a horizontal streak appears near the position where Venus disappeared. This latter effect is caused by diffraction off of the optical baffles.
Click here for a more detailed explanation (http://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/index.php?p=news_arch89#ghosts).
Image artifacts - Internal reflections | stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov (http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/artifacts/artifacts_reflections.shtml)


here is a different video fo the Venus "CME" http://sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil/images/venus_brightens.mp4
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: The Aten on September 30, 2010, 22:19:32
Hello all, especially Matt. 

I would just like to say I'm greatly indebted to Matt for reviewing my book Comet Venus. I really cannot thank him enough for actually taking the time to read my work. It has at the very least brought a few more followers to the cause. 

Thanks Matt, if only there were a few more open minded people like yourself. People who are not only prepared to think outside the box, but throw away the box and start again.

Okay, enough grovelling  :D

For those interested, I added another page to my site.

God King Planets or Uniquely Human? 

http://www.gks.uk.com/gks18/

Loads more to come as material is something I'm not short of.

Gary Gilligan

http://www.gks.uk.com/
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: kevin on October 01, 2010, 21:29:53
This is a thought from way outside any box.
Visualise a figure of eight, then imagine this planet anywhere along that pathway, then imagine it been at all points along that pathway.
Imagine near the centre point of that pathway the planet nearing itself in another time.
They will never actually meet, but will interfere with each other, and the information contents of both time related fields about this planet will bleed into each other.
That is merely this planet, all others are similer as is the sun, not binary in any way, the self same in another time and spinning in the opposite direction after they loop around the outer reaches of the figure of eight.
These figure of eights will be effectively tripped off course each time onto an alternative figure of eight pathway, these will eventually build up into torroidal shaped systems called galaxies.
Kevin
Title: Mathematical evidence for planetary chaos?
Post by: electrobleme on May 17, 2011, 00:55:27

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Will Mercury Hit Earth Someday?

First, the bad news: the inner solar system is unstable. Given enough time, Jupiter's gravity could yank Mercury out of its present orbit.

Two new computer simulations of long-term planetary motion — one by Jacques Laskar (Paris Observatory), the other by Konstantin Batygin and Gregory Laughlin (University of California, Santa Cruz) — have both reached the same disturbing conclusion.

Says Laughlin, "The solar system isn't as stable as we'd thought." Both teams have found that Jupiter's gravity can increase Mercury's orbital eccentricity over time. Mercury's path around the Sun is already nearly as elliptical as Pluto's. But Jupiter can make Mercury's orbit so out of round that it overlaps the path of Venus. A close encounter between them could send the innermost planet careening off wildly.

"Once Mercury crosses Venus's orbit," Laughlin says, "Mercury is in serious trouble."

So is Earth.

At that point, the simulations predict Mercury will suffer generally one of four fates: it crashes into the Sun, gets ejected from the solar system, it crashes into Venus, or — worst of all — crashes into Earth.

To call this catastrophic is a gross understatement. Such an impact would kill all life on our planet. Nothing would survive. By contrast, the asteroid that doomed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago was likely just 6 miles in diameter; Mercury is 3,032 miles across. The last time an object about that size hit the Earth, the resulting debris formed our Moon.

Think we'll escape the chaos by fleeing to Mars? Think again. Even Mars might not be safe. In one of the computer simulations, the Red Planet was tossed into the cold of interstellar space.

Now, the good news: there's only about a 1% chance that Mercury will go crazy before the Sun bloats into a red giant billions of years from now. "If you're an optimist," says Laughlin, "then you say the glass is 99 percent full."

Laskar, who discovered that Mercury could go wild back in 1994, will publish his paper in Icarus; Batygin (who's still an undergraduate) and Laughlin will publish theirs in The Astrophysical Journal.
Will Mercury Hit Earth Someday? (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/18103199.html)



Quote from: tholden
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/18103199.html

Discussion on the FR forum:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2010050/posts

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Two new computer simulations of long-term planetary motion — one by Jacques Laskar (Paris Observatory), the other by Konstantin Batygin and Gregory Laughlin (University of California, Santa Cruz) — have both reached the same disturbing conclusion.......


This flies in the face of the claim which Robert Bass made about the Titus/Bode law which describes the present planetary system as being a/the solution to a dynamical relaxation problem.  Bass is one of America's better mathematicians and his findings have been used to argue against people claiming that our system could not have gone from a Velikovskian system to its present formation in less than some much larger space of time.  Bass viewed this result as his opus magnus in life and had been very careful in working it out.

All of that is before you get to any sort of an idea about electricity having anything to do with orbits or stability of course...

tholden on thunderbolts (http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=quote&f=4&p=51783)


Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Native on September 12, 2011, 16:35:28
Hello,
Visiting Gary Gilligans site, it is very clear that he is a true follower of the Velikovski catastrophic ideas of ancient astronomical disasters, build on astronomical knowledge and mythological telling and symbols.

- It is a great idea to compare the mytological telling to modern astronomical and cosmological science! (I do this very much myself) Unfortunately Velikovski was born into a society and a world, where ancient deity names also was given to some of the known planets.

- Originally all the great and supreme deities (from all over the world) were connected specifically to the Milky Way contours, a large white/whitish structure which, in its full figure, is mentioned as a ring/circle around the Earth, often symbolized as a great serpent. (The Gary Gilligans "Debris ring around the Earth" http://www.gks.uk.com/hathor-isis-egyptian/ (http://www.gks.uk.com/hathor-isis-egyptian/))
 
- Ancient people divided their world in two parts: The Upperworld, the one above at day and night and The Underworld, the one in which the sun; moon and stars seemingly dived into.

This division of the northern and the southern day and night sky also holds the two separate supreme and major deities: On the northern hemisphere, The Upperworld, the half crescent Milky Way figure is symbolized a The Greatest God. On the southern hemisphere, The Underworld, the other half crescent  Milky Way figure, is symbolized as the The Greatest Goddess because "she" is connected to the Milky Way centre in the star constellation of Sagittarius, where the physical formation of everything in our galaxy takes place.

- Being connected to the Milky Way, these two major (giants) figures also are connected to the Story of Creation, making these deities very important creator deities. Both figures can be observed seeemingly to revolve around the celestial poles on the night sky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_%28mythology%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way_%28mythology%29)

- In the Velikovski terminology, especially Saturn; Mars and Venus builds up the catastrophic ideas, but originally these names are only connected to the Milky Way mythology and it is very odd that both the attributes and qualities of these ancient superior Milky Way creator deities can be connected to the somewhat inferior forces of planets compared to the forces and creative powers of the Milky Way

- The ancient Saturn is originally the northern Milky Way figure revolving around the north celestial pole - and Venus is originally the southern Milky Way figure. Planet Mars comes into the picture via the term of "Warrior God" symbolizing either the northern Milky Way figure or a star constellation imagined as a man with some kind of weapon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities#Celestial.2C_Cosmological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities#Celestial.2C_Cosmological)

- When studying the ancient symbols, one has of course to incorporate the Milky Way Mythology(Cosmology/Deities and their attributes and qualities. If Velikovski and followers have done this, the correct Saturn deity would be observed as a concrete revolving white figure around the northern celestial pole - excluding the false idea of planet Saturn once was observable very close to the Earth. And the very same goes for Venus, the Milky Way deity revloving around the celestial pole on the southern hemisphere.

Conclusion: Confusing the Milky Way deities for planetary deities, the ideas of Velikovski and his followers cannot be described as genuine Astronomy or Mythology - giving supreme mythological and cosmological forces to planets can only be described as Astrology in the worst terminology.

Other links:
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm (http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.GreatestGod.htm)
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm (http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm)
http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.Mytology.Keys.htm (http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.Mytology.Keys.htm)

Kindest
Ivar Nielsen
Natural Philosopher

Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on December 07, 2011, 05:28:11
With regards to the GKS idea of lots of dust in our solar system there is an article in New Scientists on 6.8.11 on page 12 about Dusty Ice Ages

SIS quote/review below from the SIS workshop 2011:2

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Ice cores from Antarctica going back 800,000 years indicate that there was much dust in the air during recent 'ice ages'; now marine sediment cores going back 4 million years back up the idea that there were high dust levels during periods of deep glaciation.

That a dust layer could cause cooling is self evident but some scientists consider that such cooling was re inforced by the dust falling into the oceans and seeding them with iron; this would cause plankton blooms and the plankton would absorb carbon dioxide from the sea, which would then absorb more from the atmosphere ... and a lowered carbon dioxide would, of course, according to greenhouse theory, lead to lower temperatures!

Dust used to be thought of as a result of the drying effects of an 'ice age' and a carbon dioxide factor that always seems to be ignored is that it is more soluble in cold water, therefore if dust causes cooling by cutting out heat from the Sun, then the oceans would naturally absorb more of the gas, reducing the amount in the atmosphere as an after effect, not a cause of cooling.

The big question is always, what caused the dust?
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: Native on December 07, 2011, 15:30:44
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hathor

“Hathor, along with the goddess Nut, was associated with the Milky Way during the third millennium B.C. when, during the fall and spring equinoxes, it aligned over and touched the earth where the sun rose and fell. The four legs of the celestial cow represented Nut or Hathor could, in one account, be seen as the pillars on which the sky was supported with the stars on their bellies constituting the Milky Way . . . “

From http://www.gks.uk.com/hathor-isis-egyptian/

"A prime example of a deity that once held true physical presence but has since dissipated is the mothering goddess Hathor (Fig 1 above). I identify this bovine goddess as the name given to a gigantic cosmic ring of ‘milky’ debris that once orbited around earth’s equatorial regions".

"An analogy would be Saturn’s rings only much thicker and denser".

"In order to corroborate this ground-breaking identification it is necessary to first briefly explain how earth gained a gigantic ring(s) and then follow with how the Egyptians deified this in the form of the nurturing goddess Hathor. It will be shown that Hathor’s images, attributes and epithets are completely consistent with a giant cosmic hazy band of debris arching across the heavens. Further, by invoking the God King Scenario it will become apparent why and how Hathor, as Earth’s hazy ring, played such prominent role in the lives of the celestial god kings".

"This, in turn, providing further corollary support for the GKS".

AD: Hathors "milky debris" is without no doubt the white/grey band of the Milky Way that can be observed on a clear nigth all around the Earth.

- As mentioned above, it is very fine to compare myths with concrete cosmological knowledge in order to make the case. But in this case, it is pure manipulation not to take the Hathor Milky Way informations for granted and ignore and distort the facts.

The Hathor Milky Way "milky debris" cannot of course be taken as support for anything else that just the Milky Way. This is just bad science!

BTW: The so called "Red Sun Disc" in Egyptian myths represents not the Sun but the supreme light of the Milky Way centre. Look at photo number 2 with matching color here: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/12/hubble_space_telescope_advent_1.html

Link to further distorted "catastrophism ideas": http://www.saturn-myth-delusion.net/

NB: Gary invites all to challenge his theories - but his mail-form doesn´t accept a reply.
Title: Re: The Red Sun God? Why did Egyptians have a red sun God?
Post by: electrobleme on December 07, 2011, 20:02:01
Hi Native, as you can tell i have not been about and I dont think Gary has been on the site for a while. I will forward your post to him so he can have a look and get back to you on it :)
Title: Venus slowing down - Venus rotation slower than measured before
Post by: electrobleme on February 11, 2012, 02:53:09
Venus is slowing down. According to measurements of Venus's rotation by the Venus Express spacecraft (http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEM0TLSXXXG_index_0.html) Venus rotation is slower than previously measured 20-30 years ago by NASA’s Magellan orbiter.

The ESA suggest that Venus spins slower than previously measured but it is more likely to not be a measurement issue but the continued de acceleration of this very new planet in our solar system.

The slowing down of Venus rotation is not by a few fractions of a second but has been measured at over 6 MINUTES slower than in the 1990's!

Peering through the dense atmosphere in the infrared, the orbiter found surface features were not quite where they should be.
 
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Using the VIRTIS instrument at infrared wavelengths to penetrate the thick cloud cover, scientists studied surface features and discovered that some were displaced by up to 20 km from where they should be given the accepted rotation rate as measured by NASA’s Magellan orbiter in the early 1990s.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/venus-slowed-spin-rotation-slowing-velikovsky.jpg)

Electric Universe theory, the basis for the God King Scenario, suggests that Venus is a new born planet or new to the solar system depending on your view.

Before scientists had sent space probes or measured Venus stuff Immanuel Velikovsky had predicted what we would find there. Totally against what scientists had suggested or could know at that time. Showing that his theories were logically, that it is an Electric Universe.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/venus-rotation-measured-slower.jpg)

Venus slowing down would be further proof of an Electric Universe and validation of Immanuel Velikovsky.

So if Venus slows down even further over the next decades or couple of 100s then scientists would have massive problems explaining it whereas the Electric Universe theory followers would not.

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“When the two maps did not align, I first thought there was a mistake in my calculations as Magellan measured the value very accurately, but we have checked every possible error we could think of,” said Nils Müller, a planetary scientist at the DLR German Aerospace Centre, lead author of a research paper investigating the rotation.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/mythology/venus-slowing-down-planet-velikovsky.jpg)

Also, more and more of the planets atmosphere will be removed as the planet cools down and becomes more like other rocky planets in our solar system. This again will happen relatively very quickly.
Title: Glowing Red Venus Planet and Comet
Post by: electrobleme on March 02, 2012, 19:23:26
Glowing Red Venus Planet and Comet

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All of the available data indicate that Venus was born as an ejectum from the core of one of the gas giant planets, either Jupiter or Saturn. It started very hot - perhaps 10000K or more - and has been cooling ever since. It continues to cool, and will eventually end up at around 330k ...

The present temperature is just below the threshold of visibility. When the surface was hotter, at 800k to 1000k and above, the planet would have been seen to glow red. The surface would not have been seen directly, but the gases, and the inevitable tail they would be producing, would be lit by the glow from the surface.

The object would have been a phenomenal sight. Indeed, it was a phenomenal sight. It is also described in the ancient legends of mankind. Astronomers are wont to dismiss those legends. The astronomers Clube and Napier, and a few others, however, have taken them more seriously and suggested that a prodigious comet was being described, but that suggestion fails to account for the fact that the object glowed red, as if on fire.

Taken from the article "Venus: Problem Solving" by Peter Warlow, page 7, SIS Workshop 2012:1


Title: Scientific evidence of solar system dust disc disapearing within a few years
Post by: electrobleme on July 30, 2012, 20:55:08

One of the main ideas of the God King Scenario is the catastrophe dust in our solar system that appeared for a few hundred years and the disappeared. (http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=178.msg733#msg733) Hence the reason why the Egyptians had a Red Sun, why they could wear loin cloths and visual phenomena in our skies.

There has been this announcement about Vanishing Dust Belt Around Star Baffles Scientists (http://www.space.com/16426-star-dust-missing-disk-mystery.html) where a dust ring has disappeared within a few years.

Evidence and proof of the dust chaos theory proposed by Gary Gilligan in his God King Scenario idea and book The Comet Venus?

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A dusty disk around a distant star has faded surprisingly fast, leaving scientists few clues to how it disappeared.

Only a few years ago, the space around the star TYC 8241 2652 1 was filled with dust and gas, but recent observations show the region — an ideal spot for alien planets to form — has all but vanished.

"It's like the classic magician's trick: Now you see it, now you don't," principal investigator Carl Melis of the University of California, San Diego said in a statement. "Only in this case, we're talking about enough dust to fill an inner solar system, and it really is gone!"

Observations by the Gemini South telescope in Chile and several other instruments found that the infrared light emitted by the dust had dropped by more than half. In subsequent studies, the amount of dust around the star had all but vanished, dropping by a factor of nearly 30 in two years.

Such a dramatic change is astonishingly fast when compared to the million-year time scale of most astronomical events, researchers said. [Top 10 Star Mysteries]

"The dust disappearance at TYC 8241 2652 1 was so bizarre and so quick, initially I figured that our observations must simply be in error in some strange way," said study co-author Ben Zuckerman of the University of California, Los Angles.
Vanishing Dust Belt Around Star Baffles Scientists | space.com (http://www.space.com/16426-star-dust-missing-disk-mystery.html)

Title: Hathor celestial equator band, Isis ecliptic ring. Mercury and Venus evidence?
Post by: electrobleme on March 13, 2019, 03:21:10
Hathor - the ecliptic band and celestial equator


(http://www.everythingselectric.com/images/Hathor-egyptian-column-Denderah-image-photograph-braid-hair-temples.jpg)
Hathor Egyptian Goddess on a column at Denderah temple with braided hair


** Hathor and Isis = 2 bands of dust/debris across the sky. Hathor = fixed Celestial equator bands (earths own debris rings). Isis = moveable ecliptic (suns debris band)

These two almost interchangeable deities dwelt in the intermediate space and undertook the same basic role, that of nurturing and housing the astral kings as they danced with Earth for 3000 years

(http://www.gks.uk.com/images/marstutsc.jpg)
Hathor - "house of the king"


Hathor
** Earths multiple bands/rings = trillions of tons of asteroids, rocks, icebergs, water droplets, gasses, sand etc and eventually the moon. replenished through the chaos/wars/thunderbolts between Mars/Venus/Moon/mercury.
** Observed clearly at night and sometimes during the day.
** Planets/suns/objects seen in the bands and between the rings as they moved across the sky.
** Hathors Hairdo - unique braided look that represents the rings/bands. Omega shape/symbol?
** Hathors names include lady of the stars, the Mother of Mothers, the celestial nurse, the golden one, mistress of turquoise, the Beautiful with numerous colours. Due to bands position in the sky, how energetic the Electric Universe was at that time etc.
** Hathor looked after the setting sun until the next day, sun would glow more red as it set especially if in the Hathor band.
Hathor seen as a mountain.

In 2019 astronomy discovered new dust bands and rings of debris around solar systems inner planets Mercury and Venus orbits - What scientists found after sifting through dust in the solar system (https://phys.org/news/2019-03-scientists-sifting-solar.html)

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The dust consists of crushed-up remains from the formation of the solar system, some 4.6 billion years ago—rubble from asteroid collisions or crumbs from blazing comets. Dust is dispersed throughout the entire solar system, but it collects at grainy rings overlying the orbits of Earth and Venus, rings that can be seen with telescopes on Earth. By studying this dust—what it's made of, where it comes from, and how it moves through space—scientists seek clues to understanding the birth of planets and the composition of all that we see in the solar system.

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/wp-content/uploads/2019-275.jpg)

Two recent studies report new discoveries of dust rings in the inner solar system. One study uses NASA data to outline evidence for a dust ring around the Sun at Mercury's orbit. A second study from NASA identifies the likely source of the dust ring at Venus' orbit: a group of never-before-detected asteroids co-orbiting with the planet.

They describe evidence of a fine haze of cosmic dust over Mercury's orbit, forming a ring some 9.3 million miles wide. Mercury—3,030 miles wide, just big enough for the continental United States to stretch across—wades through this vast dust trail as it circles the Sun.
What scientists found after sifting through dust in the solar system | phys.org (https://phys.org/news/2019-03-scientists-sifting-solar.html)

(http://www.everythingselectric.com/wp-content/uploads/2019-276.jpg)


https://youtu.be/bQdQu5woaxI